Is Jesus Appearing To Muslims In Dreams And Visions?

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“Over the past twenty years, a narrative has taken root in evangelical circles claiming that Jesus is personally appearing to Muslims in dreams and visions, leading them to salvation by the millions. It’s a story spread widely, crossing denominational lines - charismatics and non-charismatics alike have repeated it with little scrutiny. But is it true? And more importantly, is it biblical?

This isn’t just a theoretical question. I’ve been asked about it repeatedly while preaching and teaching in churches worldwide. So in this article, I want to tackle the issue head-on. …”

 
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“There are many reports of Muslims converting to Christianity due to having a dream or experiencing a vision in which Jesus appeared to them. The accounts vary, but mist of them have some details in common: 1) Jesus appears to them. 2) Jesus tells them to find and speak to a person at a certain place at a certain time. 3) When the Muslim follows Jesus’ instructions, he or she finds the person at exactly the right time and place, and the person explains who Jesus truly is and presents the gospel. 4) The Muslim believes that Jesus is the Savior and places his or her faith in Him, renouncing Islam.”

… What are Christians to make of such claims? …”

 
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1) Jesus appears to them. 2) Jesus tells them to find and speak to a person at a certain place at a certain time. 3) When the Muslim follows Jesus’ instructions, he or she finds the person at exactly the right time and place, and the person explains who Jesus truly is and presents the gospel. 4) The Muslim believes that Jesus is the Savior and places his or her faith in Him, renouncing Islam.”
I can see this happening , of course I have seen things happen in dreams in my own life .
 
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I can see this happening , of course I have seen things happen in dreams in my own life .

I was talking to @Jay Ross about it last night. I’m leery about it but I think it’s possible. I mentioned to him that it’s the content, not necessarily the method, that I’m looking at.

Why doesn’t Jesus himself preach the gospel to them in the dreams that they’re having?

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Many Protestants speak openly and adamantly against Catholics. Their allegation is that “Catholics aren’t Christians” and “Catholics preach a different gospel.” Why, I would like to ask them, would Jesus send a Muslim he’s spoken to in a dream to meet with and be taught by Catholics if the allegations are true?
 
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A Catholic speaking, favorably, about the phenomenon.
 

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An argument/apology that I use when talking to Muslims is based on Genesis 15:16 which Muslims willingly accept is what God had had written.

Genesis 15:12-16: - 12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him.​
First prophecy concerning God bring the nation of Israel out of Egypt.
13 Then He said to Abram: "Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions.
Second prophecy given to just Abraham.
15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age.
Third prophecy about the return of some of Abraham's descendants in the distant future
returning to the Land of Canaan in their own strength and
the fullness of the iniquities of the Amorites coming to its completion at this time.
16 But in the fourth generation/age they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete."​

The usual rebuttal is for them to quote the misguided understanding of some Christian Theologians who claim/suggest that the third prophecy is linked to the first prophecy of God bringing the Israelites out of Egypt which has led to the wrong understanding that there were only four descendant generation of Israelites born during the time period that Israel resided in Egypt over the 430 years that they were there. However, the genealogy of Joshua was recorded, and that he was the tenth descendant generation born in Egypt during the 430 years that Israel live in Egypt.

However, the third prophecy was indicating that some of Abraham's descendants would return to the land of Canaan during the time period of 3,075 to 4,096 years from when Isaac was born.

Now, by my calculations Isaac was born in the year 2052 BC and that when the descendants claimed the Land of Canaan for the nation of Israel in 1948 AD exactly 4,000 years had passed.

Now if Abraham's God had told him that the sin of the Amorite people would come to its full completion during the time that the Israelite were establishing themselves in the Land of Canaan, what was their primary sin that they were committing at that time. The answer is, "That Jesus is not the Son of God."

Now if God had prophesied some 4,050 years ago that the Amorites would be committing their iniquities against God during the present time, then there is a need for the Amorite people to humble themselves and to repent of their blasphemous sins against God.

At present the visitation of the Israelite fathers' iniquities on their children and the children's children is not yet complete yet and there is still around 20 years required too past before God will once again incline His ears towards the bleating of the nation of the Israelites scattered throughout the whole world and begin drawing them to Himself once more.

The visual sign of when this will happen is the gathering of the kings of the earth at Armageddon to be judged in around 20 years from now which is also the fulfilment of Isaiah 24:21-22.

What is required of us to understand God's salvation plans for all of mankind and that we Christians have a need to be able to adapt to how those plans will unfold with the many people groups coming to the Lod in our near future after the Summer Season of the 1,000 years of the harvest of Souls unto the Lord begins. This will be the time when many will come to the lord. At present we, so called Christians" are stuck in the weeds crowding us with the cares of the world.

It is a time for Christians to humble themselves so that they can follow His leading as we rub shoulders with many different people from every people group who are seek the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Shalom
 
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I've read about Muslims having dreams or visions of Jesus, and then becoming Christians for many years.

I've posted maybe a couple of such videos here.

@Matthias maybe you can read the book The Torn Veil? It's the true story about Esther Gushan. She was paralyzed and in a wheelchair since a very young child. She and her dad even did the pilgrimage to Mecca seeking healing for her but it didn't happen.

One night she saw a vision of Jesus in her room and was instantly healed!

The book is very interesting and goes on to tell what happened in her life. By the time of her healing...I think she was nineteen...her dad had already died. Her family didn't take it well and her brothers tried to kill her. I do recommend the book.

I gave my copy years ago to a Nepali pastor whose niece had married a Muslim.
 

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I've read about Muslims having dreams or visions of Jesus, and then becoming Christians for many years.

I've posted maybe a couple of such videos here.

@Matthias maybe you can read the book The Torn Veil? It's the true story about Esther Gushan. She was paralyzed and in a wheelchair since a very young child. She and her dad even did the pilgrimage to Mecca seeking healing for her but it didn't happen.

One night she saw a vision of Jesus in her room and was instantly healed!

The book is very interesting and goes on to tell what happened in her life. By the time of her healing...I think she was nineteen...her dad had already died. Her family didn't take it well and her brothers tried to kill her. I do recommend the book.

I gave my copy years ago to a Nepali pastor whose niece had married a Muslim.

Thanks for the recommendation. From the brief summary you’ve provided, it’s a powerful story.

How persuaded are you by miracles?
 
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Thanks for the recommendation. From the brief summary you’ve provided, it’s a powerful story.

How persuaded are you by miracles?

I am a rational person but I do think the Lord can do miracles if He sees fit.

I've had a couple of supernatural things happen to me when I was a child.
 
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I am a rational person but I do think the Lord can do miracles if He sees fit.

I agree that he can. Did he in the case of this Muslim woman? Maybe.

Did the woman share in her story what Jesus said to her in the vision?

I've had a couple of supernatural things happen to me when I was a child.

I’ve had a few such experiences myself.

Do you believe that God is the source of all miracles?
 

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I watched this brief video yesterday before I started this thread. This ex-Muslim woman isn’t describing a dream or a vision but she does say that she audibly heard the voice of God one day in a Catholic church and it led her to convert to Catholicism. It’s a powerful story, featured, it sounds like to me, as part of the campaign to have people go to or return to the Catholic church.

Is her story true? I don’t know. Maybe. Taking it at face value, I think the incident probably did happen, and as she described it.

Should we ask more questions or just go ahead and accept her invitation?
 

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I agree that he can. Did he in the case of this Muslim woman? Maybe.

Did the woman share in her story what Jesus said to her in the vision?



I’ve had a few such experiences myself.

Do you believe that God is the source of all miracles?

It's been so many years since I've read The Torn Veil so I can't remember if anything was said or she just received her healing after seeing Jesus. I do believe she became an evangelist after she had to flee her family.

I think miracles would have to line up with or confirm what God's Word says in order to be from God.

Here is the audiobook of The Torn Veil on YouTube...

 
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I think miracles would have to line up with or confirm what God's Word says in order to be from God.

The first thing I thought of when I read this was Pharaoh’s magicians. Miracles alone aren’t enough. As your comment suggests, we have to test the spirit.

In regard to Jesus, what Paul said in 2 Corinthians 11:4 is a warning. That’s why I want to know what is being said to these Muslims by “Jesus” in their dreams.

There is an important topic being discussed in one of the segregated forums where I don’t have posting privileges -> Thread 'Make Sure You’re Following the Real Jesus'
Make Sure You’re Following the Real Jesus

I‘m a Jewish monotheist. The “real Jesus” is a Jewish monotheist. I’m asking myself if the “Jesus” who appears in these dreams is the “real Jesus” or “another Jesus”?
 

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Justin Peters, whom I quoted in the OP, says that Jesus isn’t speaking to Muslims in dreams. What do I say? I say maybe he is, but I’m leery about it.

I ask what Jesus is saying in these dreams. A common response is that he tells Muslims to speak with someone whom he will send them to or bring them into contact with. Peters points out that they are often being sent to churches which he believes are false churches - and he explicitly identifies the false churches as the Catholic church and Word of Faith churches. These are only examples, not the only churches or people whom Peters regards as false teachers.

What does the speaker in the video say? He says maybe, and then shares his own personal story for us to consider.
 

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Justin Peters, whom I quoted in the OP, says that Jesus isn’t speaking to Muslims in dreams. What do I say? I say maybe he is, but I’m leery about it.

I ask what Jesus is saying in these dreams. A common response is that he tells Muslims to speak with someone whom he will send them to or bring them into contact with. Peters points out that they are often being sent to churches which he believes are false churches - and he explicitly identifies the false churches as the Catholic church and Word of Faith churches. These are only examples, not the only churches or people whom Peters regards as false teachers.

What does the speaker in the video say? He says maybe, and then shares his own personal story for us to consider.

In the videos I've seen of Muslims having dreams or visions of Jesus, they didn't say they were directed to any particular church. They saw Jesus and became born again by receiving Him.
 

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In the videos I've seen of Muslims having dreams or visions of Jesus, they didn't say they were directed to any particular church.

I’ve watched quite a few of these kinds of videos. In virtually all of them, the Muslim said that Jesus told him or her to meet with someone who would teach them; Jesus didn’t teach them in the dream.

Peters has seen them too and is complaining that often the Muslim is told to meet someone, and that someone turns out to be a Catholic or Word of Faith church member.

They saw Jesus and became born again by receiving Him.

I have seen them say that. That’s not how disciples are made in scripture. That’s what makes me leery.
 
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That’s not how disciples are made in scripture.
But it's the first step.... becoming born again through receiving Christ as their personal Savior.
 

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But it's the first step.... becoming born again through receiving Christ as their personal Savior.

How does anyone receive Messiah whom they’ve never heard preach the gospel? They don’t. That’s Paul’s point in Romans 10:14.
 

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I've read about Muslims having dreams or visions of Jesus, and then becoming Christians for many years.

I've posted maybe a couple of such videos here.
I've known several ex-Muslims who came to faith from dreams/visions.

On such fellow relayed to me about how his brother became a Christian. His brother was a member of the ruling council of their town in Sudan. One night he had such a vision of Jesus, and in the morning he became a Chrsitian. Later that day they were to have a council meeting, and he was faced with telling the rest of the council what had happened. When they met, it didn't take very long for them all to realize that each of them had received such a vision, and they were all of them now Christians.

Yes, this is happening.

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