Is your faith defined by what you DON'T believe? - The anti-doctrinal stance

[amigo de christo]

Paul says not all men have faith​

2 Thes 3​

[2] And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.​

Whereas in Romans is speaking of those among themselves who have been dealt a measure of faith

Rom.12​

[3] For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
[4] For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
[5] So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
[6] Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy
according to the proportion of faith

many have not faith and worse now point to enterdeath of which they call interfaith .
But its not FAITH they do enter into . it will lead all to the lie .

 

[Behold]

Paul says not all men have faith​

2 Thes 3​

[2] And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.​

Paul is teaching that not all people have faith = in CHRIST..
That's the context of your verse.

Paul has already stated in Romans that "every person has the measure of FAITH">

And i'll prove it to you, @Truly

A Buddhist has FAITH in The Buddha
A Scientologist has FAITH in Scientology
An Atheist has FAITH that God does not exist.
A Calvinist has faith that Calvinism is True
A Mormon has faith in Moroni.
A Catholic has faith that Mary hears their Prayers and answers them.
A Satanist has faith in Satan
A Muslim has faith in Muhammed and Allah
A Stock Market Junkie has Faith in Wall Street
A Gambler has faith that one more roll of the dice is going to be the WINNER.
An Astronaut has faith that what took them up will bring them down, safely

See all that FAITH?
They all have "the measure of FAITH".....Paul teaches.. and that is God given, and they have not used their faith to believe in JESUS.

 

[amigo de christo]

I can relate to how they feel toward "Christians". And it comes from how 'so called' "Christians" here, treat others who are also spirit-filled believers.

there are many spirit filled believers who beleive a lie .
But the sheep are the SPIRIT filled beleivers who BELEIVE IN CHRIST and POINT ONLY TO HIM . just a reminder for us all .
Do feel free to ask , if you need too , why that other spirit was not and never will be captilzed on my watch .
THE LIE part ought to sum up what it was not captilized .

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul is teaching that not all people have faith = in CHRIST..
That's the context of your verse.

Paul has already stated in Romans that "every person has the measure of FAITH">

And i'll prove it to you, @Truly

A Buddhist has FAITH in The Buddha
A Scientologist has FAITH in Scientology
A Atheist has FAITH that God does not exist.
A Calvinist has faith that Calvinism is True
A Catholic has faith that Mary hears their Prayers
A Satanist has faith in Satan
A Muslim has faith in Muhammed and Allah

See all that FAITH?
That is God given, and they have used their faith to BELIEVE in what isn't TRUE.

So lets keep that in mind when men of intefaith try and tell us that all religoins do serve the same GOD
and are coming to him differently . cause their faith BE IN THE LIE . and none wants to put their faith into the lie
or the father of it . Thanks for the reminder my friend

 

[Muna]

many have not faith and worse now point to enterdeath of which they call interfaith .
But its not FAITH they do enter into . it will lead all to the lie .

Interfaith​

adjective​

1. Of, relating to, or involving persons of different religious faiths.

You don't mean this between two protestants, or is it more between a protestant and a catholic, or another sort of protestant
with a muslim or any of these together with any number of faiths?

Or just basically hereticks, unbelievers, other gospels

 

[Muna]

Paul is teaching that not all people have faith = in CHRIST..
That's the context of your verse.

Paul has already stated in Romans that "every person has the measure of FAITH">

And i'll prove it to you, @Truly

A Buddhist has FAITH in The Buddha
A Scientologist has FAITH in Scientology
An Atheist has FAITH that God does not exist.
A Calvinist has faith that Calvinism is True
A Mormon has faith in Moroni.
A Catholic has faith that Mary hears their Prayers and answers them.
A Satanist has faith in Satan
A Muslim has faith in Muhammed and Allah
A Stock Market Junkie has Faith in Wall Street
A Gambler has faith that one more roll of the dice is going to be the WINNER.
An Astronaut has faith that what took them up will bring them down, safely

See all that FAITH?
They all have "the measure of FAITH".....Paul teaches.. and that is God given, and they have not used their faith to believe in JESUS.

Which scripture are you correcting?

Not sure what you are trying to show me either.

 

[amigo de christo]

Interfaith​

adjective​

1. Of, relating to, or involving persons of different religious faiths.

You don't mean this between two protestants, or is it more between a protestant and a catholic, or another sort of protestant
with a muslim or any of these together with any number of faiths?

Or just basically hereticks, unbelievers, other gospels

interfaith IS the snare . meant to sound good but already it has spoke the LIE .
and will soon lead many more who are running under its shade of finding common ground
RIGHT TO THE LIE . well not on my watch .
I KNOW what that HARLOT and her co workers have said . THEY decieve us all .
I have seen them on stage and many more are now falling for this lie .
The lie that says and implies that all religoins do in fact serve the same GOD and are simply coming to him
in different ways . OH BUD , what an anti christ lie they told them false religoins
and worse they have sold this unto christendome . That bed IS NO BED for this sheep . i expose it .

 

[Behold]

Which scripture are you correcting?

Your posted verse, that said "not all have faith".


So, the context of this verse is that not all have FAITH in CHRIST...

Everyone has Faith, Paul teaches, but not everyone has placed their faith in Christ.

Not sure what you are trying to show me either.

Im trying to show you that everyone has faith, but not everyone has placed their faith in Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

Your posted verse, that said "not all have faith".


So, the context of this verse is that not all have FAITH in CHRIST...

Everyone has Faith, Paul teaches, but not everyone has placed their faith in Christ.



Im trying to show you that everyone has faith, but not everyone has placed their faith in Christ.

Well , as you know , faith in any other , in self or in any religoins god
OTHER THAN ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST
is faith in satan . As we were all once trapped under him and in bondage and service to him .
BEFORE BEING FREED BY CHRIST JESUS . Translated from the darkness TO LIGHT
from the kingdom of satan unto THE KINGDOM of GOD .
THERE IS NO MIDDLE ROAD . there is no gray . EITHER OUR FAITH BE IN JESUS THE CHRIST
or its all in a lie . as you already know this .

 

[amigo de christo]

Faith in darkness is dead and saves none .
FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST , NOW THAT SAVES .
now to the trenches one and to the trenches all . WE GOT A SAVOIR To POINT TOO and HIS NAME
is JESUS the CHRIST .

 

[Muna]

Your posted verse, that said "not all have faith".

Yes
2 Cr 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

So, the context of this verse is that not all have FAITH in CHRIST...

Here is the context

2Thes.3​

[1] Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:
[2] And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
[3] But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

The new testament scripture is about faith in Jesus Christ

Everyone has Faith, Paul teaches, but not everyone has placed their faith in Christ.

But I wouldnt call faith in demons faith, or faith in strange gods, or faith in men faith. I thought we are taking about true faith.

Deut 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

Im trying to show you that everyone has faith, but not everyone has placed their faith in Christ.

No, its not true faith, and who doesnt know people do not displace their trust, the measure of faith God gives the body is not that which pertains to other gods, but in Jesus Christ by whom we come to God.

Edit: typo

 

[Hillsage]

If it should be THE "measure of faith", then what does that mean? Is it only for believers, or for everyone?

I am still of the opinion that it is the same measure that anyone who comes to be born again gets.

And why use the word "measure"? Is it variable. or constant?
Does everyone have an equal "measure" when they first believe?

The definition seems pretty cut and dried to me.
3358 metron: a measure ("metre"), literally or figuratively.; by implication a limited portion (degree)

And nobody has the faith to believe until God gives it to them to begin with;

EPH 2:8* For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

And faith comes from hearing a RHEMA not a LOGOS.
ROM 10:8 But what saith it? The word/RHEMA is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

ROM 10:17* So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word/RHEMA of God.

I was thinking about Peter walking on the water. Jesus said...
"... “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?” - Matthew 14:31 NIV

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That's a good question. I'm just thinking that since Jesus wasn't crucified I don't see how anyone could achieve a salvation that hadn't even been obtained yet. What are your thoughts?

 

[Muna]

There is the measure of the gift of Jesus Christ also

Ephes 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to
the measure of the gift of Christ.

Romans 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace
wherein we stand

Even as it speaks of "the effectual working" in the measure

Ephes 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth,
according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself
in love.

As faith worketh by love, all three are shown here

1 Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.(1 Cr 15:10)

The measure of the gift of Christ. The effectual also is linked to the grace also

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law;
ye are fallen from grace.

 

[Marvelloustime]

So lets keep that in mind when men of intefaith try and tell us that all religoins do serve the same GOD
and are coming to him differently . cause their faith BE IN THE LIE . and none wants to put their faith into the lie
or the father of it . Thanks for the reminder my friend

@amigo de christo

 

[St. SteVen]

Paul says not all men have faith​

2 Thes 3​

[2] And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.​

Whereas in Romans is speaking of those among themselves who have been dealt a measure of faith

Rom.12​

[3] For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
[4] For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
[5] So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
[6] Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy
according to the proportion of faith

It seems as though the original language is so vague that the Bible translators are imposing their own doctrinal bias.

[ cc: @Hillsage

 

[Lambano]

Sounds like a list that would apply to atheist discussion sites.

Except the anti-gay part.

 

[Lambano]

Sounds like a list that would apply to atheist discussion sites.

We spend so much time here tearing each other apart that the atheists needn't bother.

 

[St. SteVen]

We spend so much time here tearing each other apart that the atheists needn't bother.

LOL
Sad but true.

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[Lambano]

The definition seems pretty cut and dried to me.
3358 metron: a measure ("metre"), literally or figuratively.; by implication a limited portion (degree)

Is it part of metric system ? You'd have Trusts, milli-Trusts, kilo-Trusts, mega-Trusts, and giga-Trusts.

 

[St. SteVen]

Is it part of metric system ? You'd have Trusts, milli-Trusts, kilo-Trusts, mega-Trusts, and giga-Trusts.

Seems to be no need to measure if it is a finite amount. ???

A bowl of apples is a bowl of apples.

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