WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[David in NJ]

I dont get the resistance to acknowledge there were two churches. There were two apostleships and two gospels.
I just want to clarify that both churches are built upon the foundation of Christ. Peter and the apostles built a household of Gold on the foundation. Paul built a household of God on the foundation. Both churches are built together as a holy temple ...............[Eph 2:21-22 KJV] 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

I just want to clarify that both churches are built upon the foundation of Christ

AGREE = many individual 'churches' are part of the ONE Church which is the Body of Christ.

Ministries can vary as they are led by the Holy Spirit but only One Gospel will be preached whether it is to the Jew or the Gentile.

 

[shepherdsword]

Then why didnt Peter teach anything about the church being members of his body?
Why didnt Peter teach that there was neither Jew or Greek?
Why didnt Peter teach that we would be caught up in the air to be with Christ?
He couldnt have been given the same revelations as Paul.

You don;t have the same revelation as Paul but hopefully, you are still a member of Jesus' church.

Peter and the members of his church faded away. The body of Christ is here today.
Peters church will resume in the tribulation and the kingdom on earth

Please point out where this is mentioned in the scriptures. Making some convoluted conclusion based on what Peter didn't say is fallacious.

 

[shepherdsword]

I listened to him some way back, I am not a student of his, but from what I remember I would say he is right about alot.
I listen on you tube to Grace Ambassadors SWBibleFellowship Hope Bible church and Grace Bible church

Then I suggest you put that garbage away. They don't have a clue what they are talking about.

 

[shepherdsword]

I dont get the resistance to acknowledge there were two churches. There were two apostleships and two gospels.

Gal 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

I just want to clarify that both churches are built upon the foundation of Christ. Peter and the apostles built a household of Gold on the foundation. Paul built a household of God on the foundation. Both churches are built together as a holy temple ...............[Eph 2:21-22 KJV] 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

You didn't "clarify" anything. You just rambled on with some concept of man that has no basis in scripture.

 

[Doug]

AGREE = many individual 'churches' are part of the ONE Church which is the Body of Christ.

Ministries can vary as they are led by the Holy Spirit but only One Gospel will be preached whether it is to the Jew or the Gentile.

I dont get what you are saying...........individual churches???????
I was saying there are two churches..............the church identified with Peter...........the church identified with Paul........they both are built together to be the household of God
They serve different purposes............Peter's church purpose is to fulfill the promises made to Israel in regard to the kingdom on earth............Revealed to Paul was that, by the body of Christ, the heavens would be reconciled

 

[Doug]

You don;t have the same revelation as Paul but hopefully, you are still a member of Jesus' church.

I said.....................
Then why didnt Peter teach anything about the church being members of his body?
Why didnt Peter teach that there was neither Jew or Greek?
Why didnt Peter teach that we would be caught up in the air to be with Christ?
He couldnt have been given the same revelations as Paul.

What does your response say in regard to what I said?????

Yes I am in Christ. I believed he died for my sins and rose for my justification. I have his imputed righteousness not mine. I have forgiveness by his blood. My faith doesnt save me, Christ the object of my faith saves me. Christ my Lord and Saviour

 

[David in NJ]

I dont get what you are saying...........individual churches???????
I was saying there are two churches..............the church identified with Peter...........the church identified with Paul........they both are built together to be the household of God
They serve different purposes............Peter's church purpose is to fulfill the promises made to Israel in regard to the kingdom on earth............Revealed to Paul was that, by the body of Christ, the heavens would be reconciled

JESUS spoke of 7 individual churches in His Revelation.

Revelation 1:9-20
I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”

12Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me.
And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands,
13and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 17And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. 19Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.
20The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands:
The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.

Where do these seven churches reside?

 

[Doug]

You don;t have the same revelation as Paul but hopefully, you are still a member of Jesus' church.

Please point out where this is mentioned in the scriptures. Making some convoluted conclusion based on what Peter didn't say is fallacious.

I said.............
Peter and the members of his church faded away. The body of Christ is here today.
Peters church will resume in the tribulation and the kingdom on earth

In regard to the kingdom Jesus said....................[Mat 24:14 KJV] 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come..............this will be accomplished in the tribulation
In the kingdom the believing remnant of Israel (Peter's church) will bless the nations and teach them of Christ................[Gal 3:8 KJV] 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed...........................[Zec 8:23 KJV] 23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you.

 

[GodsGrace]

The church in Jerusalem headed by Peter is also in Christ. To say it is the body of Christ is without support. Only Paul spaks about it's members being in his body Paul wasnt converted until Acts9 so the body couldnt have been operating before that

What an interesting concept!

So, according to what you've written above...
the Trinity did not exist either in the OT or the NT UNTIL
somebody wrote about it after all the Apostles were already dead.

Peter and Paul didnt disagree they both were sent by Christ and had different ministries and preached and taught differently

Here is my post to explain the differences

SUMMARY OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PETER AND PAUL​

Read through it.
There are no differences.

YOU are creating them.

Apparently it makes no difference to you that both Jesus and Paul stated that we are to be one united Body and that there is to be no division.

So why are you creating a division??

 

[GodsGrace]

I said.............
Peter and the members of his church faded away. The body of Christ is here today.
Peters church will resume in the tribulation and the kingdom on earth

In regard to the kingdom Jesus said....................[Mat 24:14 KJV] 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come..............this will be accomplished in the tribulation
In the kingdom the believing remnant of Israel (Peter's church) will bless the nations and teach them of Christ................[Gal 3:8 KJV] 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed...........................[Zec 8:23 KJV] 23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you.

Peter's church faded away?
Where did you learn this?
Peter's church is still here today....

James 3.1
1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.

 

[GodsGrace]

No man-made temple on earth is necessary.

As you stated, Christ is the Temple of God and we are Living Stones built unto God in Christ = the Temple of God

1Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, 2as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow [a]thereby, 3if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
4Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Great scripture David...
Thanks!

 

[Doug]

Then I suggest you put that garbage away. They don't have a clue what they are talking about.

I doubt you have had time to declare the you tube preachings of the ministries I listed as being garbage
You are operating from unmovable preconceived determinations of any other teachings being invalid

 

[David in NJ]

Great scripture David...
Thanks!

THANK YOU for helping out on this subject.

 

[Doug]

Gal 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul warned against another gospel that they were given............he wasn't preaching against any other gospel

 

[Doug]

Gal 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.



You didn't "clarify" anything. You just rambled on with some concept of man that has no basis in scripture.

I was saying the two churches were built together as a temple

 

[David in NJ]

I doubt you have had time to declare the you tube preachings of the ministries I listed as being garbage
You are operating from unmovable preconceived determinations of any other teachings being invalid

Any other "teachings" that did not come from CHRIST or the apostles is invalid before GOD.

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.

The apostle Paul agrees with me = run from the error of "dispensationlism"

Run to CHRIST each day in prayer, in your prayer closet, and pray to be filled with the Holy Spirit as HE promised = John chapter 4

The apostle Paul did this and i still do.

 

[shepherdsword]

I said.....................
Then why didnt Peter teach anything about the church being members of his body?
Why didnt Peter teach that there was neither Jew or Greek?
Why didnt Peter teach that we would be caught up in the air to be with Christ?
He couldnt have been given the same revelations as Paul.

What does your response say in regard to what I said?????

These are all arguments from silence.

Yes I am in Christ. I believed he died for my sins and rose for my justification. I have his imputed righteousness not mine. I have forgiveness by his blood. My faith doesnt save me, Christ the object of my faith saves me. Christ my Lord and Saviour

Yet you propose two different gospels.

 

[shepherdsword]

I doubt you have had time to declare the you tube preachings of the ministries I listed as being garbage
You are operating from unmovable preconceived determinations of any other teachings being invalid

I don't have to watch them when I see the fruit of them in your error

 

[shepherdsword]

Paul warned against another gospel that they were given............he wasn't preaching against any other gospel

No, he wasn't. However, according to you Peter did

 

[shepherdsword]

I was saying the two churches were built together as a temple

There is only one church.