Why I don't believe in a pretrib rapture

[JLB]

i said IMO on the "moon" when I actually know of Scripture that directly speaks of the "moon".

@marks, do you know where that Scripture is???

Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. Genesis 1:16

 

[David in NJ]

Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. Genesis 1:16

YES

 

[JLB]

Moon/Law = The Law is under our feet = Israel was led by the Law whereby the 7 feasts were DIRECTED by the Full Moon

The Law/Moon was our tutor to bring us to CHRIST/Son = brighter then the sun

I don’t see it that way.

But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 1 Thessalonians 5:4-7

 

[David in NJ]

YES

The Moon/Law under Her feet means = no going back to the Law

 

[David in NJ]

I don’t see it that way.

But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 1 Thessalonians 5:4-7

Israel was led by God in the Wilderness by the "light of the Law" which was represented by the 7 feasts which are determined by the Full Moon during the month in which they occur.

 

[David in NJ]

I don’t see it that way.

But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 1 Thessalonians 5:4-7

LOOK again at the Truth you posted from Genesis = Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. Genesis 1:16

Until CHRIST came, Israel was under the law/Moon with it's death penalty = 1 Corinthians ch15

“O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law = moonlight
But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ = sunlight = SonLight

 

[Taken]

Jesus will return and those that have DIED will be raised first (to their glorified body).
Verse 16

THEN the living who are alive at the 2nd coming...will ALSO be caught up ....
and BOTH will be with the Lord forever.
Verse 17

Jesus will return to Earth “WITH those raptured”.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus will return to Earth “WITH those raptured”.

Scripture please = love you my Brother in Christ

 

[JLB]

Israel was led by God in the Wilderness by the "light of the Law" which was represented by the 7 feasts which are determined by the Full Moon during the month in which they occur.

‘When Israel was led out of Egypt into the wilderness all they had was the Passover.

By observing this they were baptized into Moses; Christ


The two wings of a great eagle was language meaning they were under the cloud by day and the fire by night which was a type of baptism with the Holy Spirit.


When they went through the Red Sea, it symbolized water baptism.


Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:1-2



So at this point they had not been given the law.

 

[David in NJ]

‘When Israel was led out of Egypt into the wilderness all they had was the Passover.

By observing this they were baptized into Moses; Christ


The two wings of a great eagle was language meaning they were under the cloud by day and the fire by night which was a type of baptism with the Holy Spirit.


When they went through the Red Sea, it symbolized water baptism.


Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:1-2



So at this point they had not been given the law.

They were given the law shortly after leaving Egypt.

This is what i do (and every Bible student should as well) = when we come up with an 'estimation' of Scripture we then TEST our estimation by Scripture:
a.) if any scripture adds support we then add that to our "estimation/thesis"
b.) if a single Scripture denies our estimation/thesis, we then adjust and/or abandon our estimation/thesis to that which God Says. @marks
c.) ALWAYS with Prayer unto the LORD since HE is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE

@JLB - Do you have any scripture that clearly denotes satan to the moon = by God = in other words, do the scriptures declare satan as the moon?

God CLEARLY denotes the moon to Israel under the Law = a Bright Full Moon means you can travel and do just about anything under it as you have light to see = the Law was/is a light that brings us to CHRIST, thus JESUS said: "I come not to destroy but to FULFILL the Law and the Prophets"

Since the 7 feasts speak of Christ, the full moon can only speak of the law since God irrevocably established the 7 Feasts under the Full Moon.

PTP (Point to Ponder) = satan does not bring light to Israel and absolutely not to Christ

Declaration of Scripture = Proverbs 6:23

 

[JLB]

They were given the law shortly after leaving Egypt.

This is what i do (and every Bible student should as well) = when we come up with an 'estimation' of Scripture we then TEST our estimation by Scripture:
a.) if any scripture adds support we then add that to our "estimation/thesis"
b.) if a single Scripture denies our estimation/thesis, we then adjust and/or abandon our estimation/thesis to that which God Says. @marks
c.) ALWAYS with Prayer unto the LORD since HE is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE

@JLB - Do you have any scripture that clearly denotes satan to the moon = by God = in other words, do the scriptures declare satan as the moon?

God CLEARLY denotes the moon to Israel under the Law = a Bright Full Moon means you can travel and do just about anything under it as you have light to see = the Law was/is a light that brings us to CHRIST, thus JESUS said: "I come not to destroy but to FULFILL the Law and the Prophets"

Since the 7 feasts speak of Christ, the full moon can only speak of the law since God irrevocably established the 7 Feasts under the Full Moon.

PTP (Point to Ponder) = satan does not bring light to Israel and absolutely not to Christ

Declaration of Scripture = Proverbs 6:23

When Israel was led out of Egypt into the wilderness all they had was the Passover.

By observing this they were baptized into Moses; Christ


The two wings of a great eagle was language meaning they were under the cloud by day and the fire by night which was a type of baptism with the Holy Spirit.


When they went through the Red Sea, it symbolized water baptism.


Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:1-2


I think you will agree that at this point after crossing the Red Sea, they had not been given the law.



Two wings of a great eagle refers to them being delivered from Egypt and being under a cloud by day and fire by night.

 

[Taken]

Scripture please = love you my Brother in Christ

Hi- Hope all is well with you “all”.
Gods great blessings upon you and yours.

Matt 16:
[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Jude 1:
[14] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh …with ten thousands of his saints,

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[David in NJ]

When Israel was led out of Egypt into the wilderness all they had was the Passover.

By observing this they were baptized into Moses; Christ


The two wings of a great eagle was language meaning they were under the cloud by day and the fire by night which was a type of baptism with the Holy Spirit.


When they went through the Red Sea, it symbolized water baptism.


Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:1-2


I think you will agree that at this point after crossing the Red Sea, they had not been given the law.



Two wings of a great eagle refers to them being delivered from Egypt and being under a cloud by day and fire by night.

i AGREE with all that you stated = thank you

Three things to consider:
#1 - At what time did God command the Passover?
a.) Afternoon Day-light
b.) Full Moon-light

#2 - Did God place the Passover in the Law?

#3 - Did God command Passover to begin under the Full Moon?

 

[David in NJ]

Hi- Hope all is well with you “all”.
Gods great blessings upon you and yours.

Matt 16:
[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Jude 1:
[14] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh …with ten thousands of his saints,

Glory to God,
Taken

We are still going to doctors for Dan.

He is in pain 24/7 = some days are better then others and and some days are all PAIN

My Dear Brother in CHRIST, please lift Dan UP when you think of us.

i am very much looking forward to SEEING you in our NEW Glorified Bodies come Resurrection/Rapture DAY

 

[JLB]

i AGREE with all that you stated = thank you

Thanks

 

[David in NJ]

@JLB and @Taken and @GodsGrace @ProverbsInPink @marks

Good my Night Brothers and Sisters in CHRIST

 

[ProverbsInPink]

@JLB and @Taken and @GodsGrace @ProverbsInPink @marks

Good my Night Brothers and Sisters in CHRIST

Goodnight.

 

[JLB]

#2 - Did God place the Passover in the Law?

‘One question at a time time please.


God gave the Passover before the law.


The children of Israel, The Church, left Israel and later they were given the law of Moses.


No, the Passover was not placed in the law.


The feast that commemorated the Passover became part of the law of Moses.

 

[JLB]

i AGREE with all that you stated = thank you

Three things to consider:
#1 - At what time did God command the Passover?
a.) Afternoon Day-light
b.) Full Moon-light

#2 - Did God place the Passover in the Law?

#3 - Did God command that the Seven Feasts begin under the Full Moon?

Now my question.


Do you understand that the resurrection and rapture are one event that occurs at His coming?


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

 

[GodsGrace]

@JLB and @Taken and @GodsGrace @ProverbsInPink @marks

Good my Night Brothers and Sisters in CHRIST

God bless you and your family §David.