When the Pulpit Becomes a Paycheck

[Lizbeth]

See the "Catholic Church" for the 1500 yr old rule book regarding "how to keep your people as slaves in spiritual darkness while you rake in the billions from their bank accounts and tithes and offerings.".

The spirit that rules Catholicism spawns "daughters" in the protestant realm.

 

[Lizbeth]

WHEN IT SAYS MANY false prophets , YOU BESS BELEIVE ITS MANY FALSE PROPHETS .
And when JESUS warned EVEN THE APOSTELS NOT TO BE DECIEVED that applies to us as well .
WOLVES CAN AND DO COME IN WOOL . so marvel not
if a man can come within a realm and act as though HE is for and of that realm
BUT really HE does naught but the works and the working of darkness .
DO YOU REALLY THINK for one second that the churches that sat under the liberal progressive
Could see the error of their own , even thier own politicians .
NOW take real close heed to these next words , cause we got a major deciever and decievers at work
AND NOT JUST ON THE LEFT BUT ON THE RIGHT .
YA really THINK the nar realm is for the people they teach , OR are they really in it FOR THEIR OWN gains .
DO you really think it so hard also
for a man to come and rise up and speak against the very evils of the liberal realm
AND YET HE DOES ITS BIDDING with interfaith . OH ITS NOT HARD .
WOLVES do come in as though they are OF the ones they fleecing and they can and will speak
evil against the other side , YET CAN BE DOING ITS WILL ALL ALONG .
TRUMP AINT GONNA SAVE ANYONE , HE IS JUDGMENT UPON the evangelicals
HE is the delusion and judgment of GOD allowed UPON the protesetant evangelical realm
FOR THEY , AS DID THEY LIBERAL REALM , REFUSED TO HEAR HIS CALL , REFUSED TO REPENT
And now all will be lead to the lie . NOW when i say all , BE SURE TO KNOW ITS NOT THOSE IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE
its those who followed another jesus and another god . And if i didnt love the peoples
BELIEVE YOU ME i would not even bother to warn them .
YOU DO REALIZE that all these years i have warned , IT HAS COST ME to be hated .
Its not like i got rich preaching what i did . BUT YET i am RICH and THANK GOD HE HAS ME PREACHING IT
and NOT CONFORMING .

Many in Christendom act as though they believe Trump can stop what has been prophesied and warned about in scripture. It's as if they believe he can thwart Almighty God and His just judgment on the apostate church (and the west in general). When actually it's likely he is part of what has been prophesied to happen because the Lord is watching over His word to fulfill it.

 

[amigo de christo]

Many in Christendom act as though they believe Trump can stop what has been prophesied and warned about in scripture. It's as if they believe he can thwart Almighty God and His just judgment on the apostate church (and the west in general). When actually it's likely he is part of what has been prophesied to happen because the Lord is watching over His word to fulfill it.

if we had examined him we had seen this dear sister .
We had seen a man who came unto a group , a group that in large is against
the one world order and a one world religoin .
SO in he came unto the nar realm and the hearts of the evangelicals , WHO I might add WERE NOT repenting at all of their evil
pratices .
SO the trumpet began to sound and to speak To this people , I can free thee
i can stop this one world govt .
BUT I GUESS they aint been paying attention at all sister, TO HIS ACTIONS and HIS Methods .
CAUSE TRUMP VANCE and that entire nar realm
IS DOING the very things OF THE ONE WORLD ORDER TO MERGE THE RELIGIONS AS ONE

 

[Behold]

Televangelists are not Catholics.

I didnt say they were Catholics.

Take a look at the Vatican.
Nothing in the "Protestant" realm of greed compares to that "MaryCult Bank".

 

[JohnDB]

The TV Ministers and Pastors who are making a lot of income, generally do it these days, by holding large rallies and by selling books.
Often their "take home pay" from their Local Church, is a good wage but its not getting them rich.
Its incredibly expensive to have a Big TV ministry, stay on the Air.

Joyce Meyers is probably the best at large arena Gospel meetings.
She's been doing it for a long time.
Its not easy.......as she is on the road......living in a Hotel.......and this is for years and years.
She's written a few bestsellers.

A "bestseller", can earn them millions.

Several, including one you mentioned, were hauled before congress to explain themselves and their vast monetary and assets accumulations.

These are actually the group of people who are the largest holders of antique furniture and artwork of anyone. All tax free donations and tax free receipts to the clergy. They live in "parishes" in a compound that belongs to a "Church" that by comparison looks like a closet all forgotten about. (But dusted regularly by paid staff)

These people fly in personal jets....no coach seats for these people. Their books (new one every year) are ghost written by real authors given a subject to write about and then paid "hush money" to never say a word about who truly penned the book. Of course they all put in a small section here and there so that they can claim it is theirs....and that they wrote it. But the heavy lifting was done by others.

But the books make millions....millions are spent on promotions and shelf space in bookstores. As well as available at every "Seminar" they preach at.

These people are supposedly answering to a board of directors....who just happen to be family members and are also paid exorbitant salaries. (Getting the picture yet?)

 

[Behold]

Several, including one you mentioned, were hauled before congress to explain themselves and their vast monetary and assets accumulations.

This is pretty much meaningless, unless they found some fraud.

See, one of the ways you try to falsely impune someone, is you "drag them before a court", so that this presents the idea that there is Guilt, even tho none has been found yet.

These are actually the group of people who are the largest holders of antique furniture and artwork of anyone.

The Vatican is the largest "holder of expensive antiques and artwork", regarding a religious organization.

These people fly in personal jets....no coach seats for these people.

Many of them own a private jet, that was purchased by the ministry.
In other words, the board and the congregation approved it.

Their books (new one every year) are ghost written by real authors given a subject to write about and then paid "hush money" to never say a word about who truly penned the book.

What i find more appalling is that in these end times........everyone is a Teacher, writing a book.
Many of then are not even saved, and their books sell out.
This is because End time Chrisitans are always chasing some new teaching, some new experience, ......and yet they can't explain why Jesus keeps you saved.
They cant even understand their own Salvation.

 

[JohnDB]

This is pretty much meaningless, unless they found some fraud.

See, one of the ways you try to falsely impune someone, is you "drag them before a court", so that this presents the idea that there is Guilt, even tho none has been found yet.



The Vatican is the largest "holder of expensive antiques and artwork", regarding a religious organization.



Many of them own a private jet, that was purchased by the ministry.
In other words, the board and the congregation approved it.



What i find more appalling is that in these end times........everyone is a Teacher, writing a book.
Many of then are not even saved, and their books sell out.
This is because End time Chrisitans are always chasing some new teaching, some new experience, ......and yet they can't explain why Jesus keeps you saved.
They cant even understand their own Salvation.

Televangelists escape penalty in Senate inquiry

A senator's high-profile investigation of spending by televangelists wrapped up after more than three years Thursday with no penalties for the pastors who refused to cooperate and no definitive findings of wrongdoing.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[JohnDB]

Here's another one...

Fraud, private jets and a Lamborghini: 10 televangelists who have faced controversy

From buying a Lamborghini as an anniversary gift to turning away hurricane evacuees, these televangelists have caught flak.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Behold]

Here's another one...

Fraud, private jets and a Lamborghini: 10 televangelists who have faced controversy

From buying a Lamborghini as an anniversary gift to turning away hurricane evacuees, these televangelists have caught flak.

www.usatoday.com

This is not a reputable news source.
So, its a "Hatchet Job"........just trying to sell magazines.
I noticed that this Magazine has issues with defining Homosexuality as "morally wrong".

 

[JohnDB]

This is not a reputable news source.
So, its a "Hatchet Job"........just trying to sell magazines.
I noticed that this Magazine has issues with defining Homosexuality as "morally wrong".

It's USA TODAY....a MSM.
Main Stream Media outlet.

Of course it's going to say those things.

But this story covers a real incident that happened. Televangelist have been hauled before congress and undergone Congressional investigations because they are fleecing our nation's citizens and going abroad to do the same things.

These people are the focal point of billion dollar plus organizations and themselves making hundreds of millions of dollars.

When Mr. BEAST has more dollars each year given to altruistic efforts than these Churches have ever had in their lifetimes of existence....there exists a problem. Mr. Beast is not selling anything and doesn't claim some sort of moral high ground. But literally gives away hundreds of millions every year to impoverished people....
Yet these preachers and their organizations have zero dollars donated to or given away to feed or clothe anyone but are non-stop asking for donations....there is a problem right there.

The heathen are looking better than the Christians. Its not even a contest.

 

[Behold]

Yet these preachers and their organizations have zero dollars donated to or given away to feed or clothe anyone but are non-stop asking for donations....there is a problem right there.

I think if someone did a comprehensive research on the "usual suspects"... who are harshly critiqued the most.........K. Copeland. J. Meyers, J O'Steen, J. DuPlantis.........and similar others affiliated with the "Word of Faith movement"......then we would find that each of these gives a lot of money to Charity, per year.

Is it probable that their ministry is built on the backs of poor sick people who are trying to buy a miracle by giving to their ministry?
Thats the question.

Another question is..........when you have billions of Catholics praying to Mary who isn't there.......= she's not there.......she's not responding......then isnt that worse?
I Vote : YES.

So, If anyone is interested.....i did a little research earlier, on Kenneth Copeland's ministry, regarding their giving to Charity... between 2020-2023.

"Kenneth Copeland Ministries, founded by Kenneth Copeland, gave between $581,650 and $934,088 to qualified donees (Charities) in the years 2020-2023. This amount represents a portion of the ministry's total revenue for those years, which ranged from $5.7 million to $6.3 million..per year".

 

[bdavidc]

Let me ask you this: When your body dies and your spirit goes to be with the Lord, does the Lord considered you as dead?

Would the Bible call you ‘the dead in Christ’ while at the same time you’re very much alive in heaven with Jesus?

There’s only one group of people in history that could ever be called the dead in Christ and that’s the Old Testament believers who died believing in Christ but were still dead in their sins and trespasses until Jesus paid their sin debt at the cross.

Scripture does not back up your assertion. “The dead in Christ” (1 Thessalonians 4: 16) refers to all believers who physically die, not just OT saints. Paul’s entire purpose was to encourage the Thessalonians that their fellow believers who had already died would not be left behind, but would instead rise first before those who were still alive (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

OT saints were not “dead in their sins” when they died. Abraham “believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness” (Genesis 15:6, Romans 4:3). Hebrews 11 says they “died in faith” and obtained a good report (Hebrews 11:13, 39). Their salvation was secured by the cross, but God applied it in advance by faith in His promise (Romans 3:25).

When a believer dies, their spirit goes immediately to be with Christ, ”absent from the body, present with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:8). Their soul is alive with Him, while their body sleeps, waiting for resurrection. That’s why Paul says, “though he were dead, yet shall he live” (John 11:25).

So no, “the dead in Christ” is not a one-time group. It is every believer whose body has died, but whose spirit lives with the Lord, waiting for the resurrection.

 

[IndianaRob]

Scripture does not back up your assertion. “The dead in Christ” (1 Thessalonians 4: 16) refers to all believers who physically die, not just OT saints. Paul’s entire purpose was to encourage the Thessalonians that their fellow believers who had already died would not be left behind, but would instead rise first before those who were still alive (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

OT saints were not “dead in their sins” when they died. Abraham “believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness” (Genesis 15:6, Romans 4:3). Hebrews 11 says they “died in faith” and obtained a good report (Hebrews 11:13, 39). Their salvation was secured by the cross, but God applied it in advance by faith in His promise (Romans 3:25).

When a believer dies, their spirit goes immediately to be with Christ, ”absent from the body, present with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:8). Their soul is alive with Him, while their body sleeps, waiting for resurrection. That’s why Paul says, “though he were dead, yet shall he live” (John 11:25).

So no, “the dead in Christ” is not a one-time group. It is every believer whose body has died, but whose spirit lives with the Lord, waiting for the resurrection.

Would you agree with this?

The “it” in these two verses is not referring to the human body, it is referring to the soul/spirit. I added the Chatgpt response to prove that grammatically “it” is not the human body. The understanding that “it” is the body comes purely from opinion and does in any way come from what the verse actually says… in other words, it’s made up.

1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Chatgpt Question - In English grammar does “it” in those two verses refer to the human body?

Chatgpt answer - Good question — let’s look at it carefully just from English grammar and usage, not theology.

Verse 37 (KJV):​

"And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:"

• Here Paul is using an agricultural analogy.
• “That which thou sowest” = the thing you plant.
• “Not that body that shall be” = the seed you put in the ground does not look like the plant it will become.
• “Bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain” = the “it” here grammatically refers back to “bare grain” (the seed).

So in v. 37, “it” = the seed/grain being planted, not a human body.

ChatGpt side by side comparison

The Seed and the Resurrection

Seed Analogy	Human Application
The seed has life inside it, contained within the seed body.	A person has life (the soul) contained within the mortal body.
The seed body must die and break down in the ground.	The mortal body must die and return to the dust.
When the seed body dies, the life inside is released.	When the mortal body dies, the soul is released.
The DNA of the seed produces a new body — the plant.	God gives the soul a new body — the glorified resurrection body.
The plant is infinitely more glorious than the bare seed that was sown.	The glorified body is infinitely more glorious than the mortal body that died.

 

[bdavidc]

Would you agree with this?

The “it” in these two verses is not referring to the human body, it is referring to the soul/spirit. I added the Chatgpt response to prove that grammatically “it” is not the human body. The understanding that “it” is the body comes purely from opinion and does in any way come from what the verse actually says… in other words, it’s made up.

1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Chatgpt Question - In English grammar does “it” in those two verses refer to the human body?

Chatgpt answer - Good question — let’s look at it carefully just from English grammar and usage, not theology.

Verse 37 (KJV):​

"And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:"

• Here Paul is using an agricultural analogy.
• “That which thou sowest” = the thing you plant.
• “Not that body that shall be” = the seed you put in the ground does not look like the plant it will become.
• “Bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain” = the “it” here grammatically refers back to “bare grain” (the seed).

So in v. 37, “it” = the seed/grain being planted, not a human body.

ChatGpt side by side comparison

The Seed and the Resurrection

Seed Analogy	Human Application
The seed has life inside it, contained within the seed body.	A person has life (the soul) contained within the mortal body.
The seed body must die and break down in the ground.	The mortal body must die and return to the dust.
When the seed body dies, the life inside is released.	When the mortal body dies, the soul is released.
The DNA of the seed produces a new body — the plant.	God gives the soul a new body — the glorified resurrection body.
The plant is infinitely more glorious than the bare seed that was sown.	The glorified body is infinitely more glorious than the mortal body that died.

I don’t agree. Paul is not referring to the soul being planted; he is talking about the body. 1 Corinthians 15 is the context of this passage, and it is on the topic of the resurrection of the body. It has nothing to do with the resurrection of the soul. The soul never dies, and so it cannot be “sown in corruption” or “raised in incorruption” (1 Corinthians 15:42). It is the body that is placed into the ground and then later resurrected. Paul says this quite plainly: “So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: it is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body” (1 Corinthians 15:42–44). The repeated contrast in that passage is between the natural body that dies and is buried, and the spiritual body God later raises.

The seed analogy in verses 37–38 is about transformation. You plant a bare grain, and what springs up is not the same in appearance, but God gives it a body as He pleases. In the same way, the mortal body is placed in the ground, but what springs up from the dead is a glorified, imperishable body. The “it” in that passage clearly points back to what is being sown—just like grain is sown in the field. The seed points to the mortal body, and the plant that comes up points to the new, glorified body. Paul is consistent in this because later on in the passage he very plainly says, “this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality” (1 Corinthians 15:53).

No, the “it” is not referring to the soul. The soul never ceases to exist and does not wait in the grave. Paul had already taught in 2 Corinthians 5:8 that to be “absent from the body” is to be “present with the Lord”. The soul goes immediately to Christ, but the body is what rests in the earth until it is resurrected. That is why Jesus said, “the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth” (John 5:28–29). Souls are not placed in graves; bodies are. The seed analogy is about God’s power to transform the body into something far greater than it was before.

This isn’t a salvation issue, so I don’t want to argue over it. What matters most is that we both trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.

 

[pandaflower]

An FBI agent profiled Joel OIsteens demeanor in an interview.
Some of us knew he was false already.

 

[Jack]

About Kenneth Copeland:

Real Estate: Copeland resides in an 18,000-square-foot mansion valued at approximately $7 million, which is tax-exempt due to its classification as a clergy residence.

Private Jets: KCM owns several private jets, which have been a source of controversy regarding their use for personal travel.

 

[bdavidc]

About Kenneth Copeland:

Real Estate: Copeland resides in an 18,000-square-foot mansion valued at approximately $7 million, which is tax-exempt due to its classification as a clergy residence.

Private Jets: KCM owns several private jets, which have been a source of controversy regarding their use for personal travel.

Kenneth Copeland is a false teacher because he perverts Scripture to spread the prosperity gospel, a teaching that instructs people to "speak things into existence" and to manipulate faith as a means to riches. The Bible tells us of teachers who "suppose that godliness is a means to gain" ~1 Timothy 6:5. Copeland teaches that as believers we can command health and wealth. Yet Jesus taught, "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth" ~Matthew 6:19. He assumes the role of a prophet with the authority to decree circumstances into existence. However, faith is not found in man's proclamations but in submission to the will of God. His teachings elevate self above Christ and substitute repentance with a craving for material gain. The Word of God describes this type of teaching as "another gospel" ~Galatians 1:8.

 

[Jack]

Kenneth Copeland is a false teacher because he perverts Scripture to spread the prosperity gospel, a teaching that instructs people to "speak things into existence" and to manipulate faith as a means to riches. The Bible tells us of teachers who "suppose that godliness is a means to gain" ~1 Timothy 6:5. Copeland teaches that as believers we can command health and wealth. Yet Jesus taught, "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth" ~Matthew 6:19. He assumes the role of a prophet with the authority to decree circumstances into existence. However, faith is not found in man's proclamations but in submission to the will of God. His teachings elevate self above Christ and substitute repentance with a craving for material gain. The Word of God describes this type of teaching as "another gospel" ~Galatians 1:8.

I used to work with a guy who sold Copeland tapes. I was SHOCKED by the things Copeland taught! SATANIC!

 

[Moontan13]

Preachers today are worthless. You’re hard pressed to find a preacher that even believes the inerrant word of God exists today.

Good preachers are all over if you know where to look.

 

[Moontan13]

People complain that mega-churches have residences worth millions and are taking advantage of tax laws. Fine. Think about scores of small churches where the parsonage is a large part of the compensation package. These churches can't afford a livable salary, so free dwellings come into play so the pastor might need to work only a part time job to get by. Stop judging everything by what "the rich" get to do. Remember the part about not coveting?