WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[shepherdsword]

I teach alot of what they teach as well. You have never given scripture to correct and invalidate my teachings

I have given plenty of scripture. All one has to do is go back and look at our discussion. Your teaching is untrue

 

[shepherdsword]

This claim of arguments from silence is convenient in order to evade the questions you cant answer to support your assertions
You are claiming that Peter and Paul received the same revelations as far as I could tell but have no scripture to support it

Then why didnt Peter teach anything about the church being members of his body?.
Why didnt Peter teach that there was neither Jew or Greek?
Why didnt Peter teach that we would be caught up in the air to be with Christ?
He couldnt have been given the same revelations as Paul............................you are saying Peter's lack of teaching these topics in scripture doesn't prove he didn't get this knowledge as did Paul. You are saying I can make Peter know and believe and say anything I want because I can say it just wasn't recorded.

Fact remains there are two gospels which even have different names
The gospel of the kingdom/ the gospel of the circumcision
The gospel of Christ/ the gospel of the uncircumcision

An argument for silence is a documented fallacy of logic...as anyone in logic 101 knows. When you teach two different gospels you are teaching that there are two different ways to have eternal life. So please explain the difference (that you claim to see) between the two

 

[shepherdsword]

Paul didnt curse Peter's gospel.

[Gal 1:8 KJV] 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed............................Paul said if an angel would preach another gospel it would be accursed. Look at this verse..............................[Rev 14:6 KJV] 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,..................an angel preaching another gospel

Paul didn't curse Peter's gospel because it was the same as his own. It was not another gospel (as you claim)

 

[shepherdsword]

Another example of you once again showing no scriptural support for your assertions

If there is ONE FAITH then there is ONE CHURCH. It's a simple deduction that doesn't have to be explicitly stated.

 

[Doug]

I have given plenty of scripture. All one has to do is go back and look at our discussion. Your teaching is untrue

My fault let me say you have never me any scripture to accompany your comments or whatever scripture offered did not impact my assertions

 

[shepherdsword]

Another example of you once again showing no scriptural support for your assertions

Let's hear your two different ways to salvation. Please detail your "two gospels"

 

[shepherdsword]

My fault let me say you have never me any scripture to accompany your comments or whatever scripture offered did not impact my assertions

so let's hear your two different ways to salvation...spell them out for us

 

[Doug]

If there is ONE FAITH then there is ONE CHURCH. It's a simple deduction that doesn't have to be explicitly stated.

Not so
There maybe one faith but that doesnt conclude there being one church All churches could hold to that one faith

 

[Doug]

so let's hear your two different ways to salvation...spell them out for us

There is only one way to be saved and that is to believe what God says

There are different gospels.

Isreal had only to believe in the name of Christ for salvation, they had to believe he was the Christ the Son of God..................[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Paul's gospel is that we are saved by believing Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose for our justification...............[1Co 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; ... 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

 

[Nancy]

What scripture says one church?
Here is the scripture you are paraphrasing............[Eph 4:5 KJV] 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

"BODY" Same as "church"...it's the people of God one in Christ- The church

 

[Nancy]

Look carefully Paul was not saying that if Peter preached another gospel he would be accursed, he was saying that if someone came along and preached a different gospel than he preached to the members of the body of Christ they would be accursed

Yes, that is exactly what he is saying, I never said different.

 

[Nancy]

This was the gospel Jesus preached and sent the twelve to preach
Do you really think the gospel of the kingdom which says the Davidic kingdom promised Israel was at hand is the same as Jesus died for our sins was buried and rose again are the same?

" all the world as a witness to all the nations," Seems like more than just the Jews.

 

[Nancy]

Look carefully Paul was not saying that if Peter preached another gospel he would be accursed, he was saying that if someone came along and preached a different gospel than he preached to the members of the body of Christ they would be accursed

Did Peter preach this? Did not Peter preach water baptism for the remission of sins?

Was before the cross.

 

[Nancy]

I really have nothing else to share hear. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here. God bless!

 

[marks]

" all the world as a witness to all the nations," Seems like more than just the Jews.

Joel 3:2 LITV
2) I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat. And I will enter into judgment with them there, for My people and My inheritance, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations; and they shared out My land.

Matthew 25:31-46 LITV
31) But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32) And before Him shall be gathered all the nations; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33) And indeed He will set the sheep off His right, but the goats off the left hand.
34) Then the King will say to those on His right, Come, the blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35) For I hungered, and you gave Me food to eat; I thirsted, and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and you took Me in;
36) naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.
37) Then the righteous will answer, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry, and fed You; or thirsting, and gave You drink?
38) And when did we see You a stranger, and took You in; or naked, and clothed You?
39) And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and came to You?
40) And answering, the King will say to them, Truly I say to you, In so far as you did it to one of these, the least of My brothers, you did it to Me.
41) Then He will also say to those on His left, Go away from Me, cursed ones, into the everlasting fire having been prepared for the Devil and his angels.
42) For I hungered, and you did not give Me a thing to eat. I thirsted and you did not give Me a thing to drink;
43) I was a stranger, and you did not take Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.
44) Then they also will answer Him, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungering, or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to You?
45) Then He will answer them, saying, Truly I say to you, In so far as you did not do it to one of these, the least, neither did you do it to Me.
46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.

God will announce to the world the coming kingdom, with Israel the head of nations, even as the beast will be intent on destroying all Israelites. The nations will be accountable to this.

Matthew 24:14 LITV
And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the earth for a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end.

Much love!

 

[GodsGrace]

The gospel of the kingdom is not being preached today

What is the gospel of the Kingdom??

 

[GodsGrace]

I see your point, but there was no church at all until God formed them
God operates in dispensations in which he deals with us in different ways and does not reveal everything at once
The church in Jerusalem lead by Peter was not formed until Christ built it starting in his earthly ministry
Jesus revealed to Paul he was forming the church the body of Christ starting mid Acts

I do agree that God did not reveal everything we know about Him today all in one time but over time..ending with Jesus.

But has God treated us in different ways?

Just answer these two questions please:
1. How were persons in the OT saved?
2. Do you give any creedence to the Covenants?

Thanks.

 

[GodsGrace]

Joel 3:2 LITV
2) I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat. And I will enter into judgment with them there, for My people and My inheritance, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations; and they shared out My land.

Matthew 25:31-46 LITV
31) But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32) And before Him shall be gathered all the nations; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33) And indeed He will set the sheep off His right, but the goats off the left hand.
34) Then the King will say to those on His right, Come, the blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35) For I hungered, and you gave Me food to eat; I thirsted, and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and you took Me in;
36) naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.
37) Then the righteous will answer, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry, and fed You; or thirsting, and gave You drink?
38) And when did we see You a stranger, and took You in; or naked, and clothed You?
39) And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and came to You?
40) And answering, the King will say to them, Truly I say to you, In so far as you did it to one of these, the least of My brothers, you did it to Me.
41) Then He will also say to those on His left, Go away from Me, cursed ones, into the everlasting fire having been prepared for the Devil and his angels.
42) For I hungered, and you did not give Me a thing to eat. I thirsted and you did not give Me a thing to drink;
43) I was a stranger, and you did not take Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.
44) Then they also will answer Him, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungering, or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to You?
45) Then He will answer them, saying, Truly I say to you, In so far as you did not do it to one of these, the least, neither did you do it to Me.
46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.

God will announce to the world the coming kingdom, with Israel the head of nations, even as the beast will be intent on destroying all Israelites. The nations will be accountable to this.

Matthew 24:14 LITV
And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the earth for a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end.

Much love!

marks,,,
Could you please explain what the Kingdom is.
You quoted Matthew 24 above. It speaks of the Kingdom....
the gospel of the Kingdom.
Thanks.

 

[marks]

marks,,,
Could you please explain what the Kingdom is.
You quoted Matthew 24 above. It speaks of the Kingdom....
the gospel of the Kingdom.
Thanks.

Acts 1:6-7 KJV
6) When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7) And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Ezekiel 39:27-29 KJV
27) When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28) Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29) Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

There are many more passages that speak the same thing.

Much love!

 

[Doug]

Paul didn't curse Peter's gospel because it was the same as his own. It was not another gospel (as you claim)

Then please give me the gospel that Peter preached and the gospel Paul preached