Did the Apostle Paul believe in a forever burning hell?

[soberxp]

So, what would you call "everlasting destruction?" Probation?

What if they are the part of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which is the evil part!

The evil will throw into the lake of fire, even the knowledge of it.

 

[3 Resurrections]

HELL and the LAKE of FIRE are the eternal life of a Christ Rejector, who died never forgiven and never born again.

Those who ultimately reject Christ are not given eternal life in Hell - not even a tormented perpetual life in Hell. Their fate is to be destroyed, both body and soul. The wicked dead are to "perish" in the "resurrection to destruction" - not endure an interminable life of torment.

And Hell (Hades - the grave) is not the equivalent of the "Lake of Fire", which Christ called "a furnace of fire" in Matthew 13:42. That "furnace of fire" was located in Zion in the city of Jerusalem, just as Isaiah 31:9 once described it. Jerusalem's temple had a furnace in which metals were proved and refined. We read about this in Zechariah 11:13 (LXX). The "Lake of Fire" in Jerusalem was the means by which God removed the corruption of His people in the AD 66-70 siege period. Christ had once said that He came to send fire on the EARTH, and He wished that it was already kindled during His earthly ministry.

This "Lake of Fire" judgment in AD 66-70 Jerusalem was similar to God using the city of Jerusalem once before as a furnace of fire back in Ezekiel 22:17-22 to judge His disobedient people. It had nothing to do with an after-life existence for the wicked dead.

"And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, the house of Israel is to me become dross: all they are brass, and tin, and iron, and lead, in the midst of the furnace; they are even the dross of silver. Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye are all become dross, behold, therefore I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. As they gather silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, into the midst of the furnace, to blow the fire upon it, to melt it; so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and I will leave you there, and melt you. Yea I will gather you, and blow upon you in the fire of my wrath, and ye shall be melted in the midst thereof. As silver is melted in the midst of the furnace, so shall ye be melted in the midst thereof; and ye shall know that I the Lord have poured out my fury upon you."

 

[Lambano]

2 Thessalonians 1:9
These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

Destroyed forever. Paul was an annihilationist.

 

[Jack]

I was referring to the wandering stars verse.
Very different than a forever burning hell. (as I said)
See post #7.

Jude 1:13 NIV
They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars,
for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

Jesus said there is Hell Fire. You say there isn't. As usual it's your opinions against Jesus' Word. Who should we believe? lol

Do you even know what Jesus said about THE FIRE? I doubt it.

 

[Jack]

Those who ultimately reject Christ are not given eternal life in Hell - not even a tormented perpetual life in Hell. Their fate is to be destroyed, both body and soul. The wicked dead are to "perish" in the "resurrection to destruction" - not endure an interminable life of torment.

And Hell (Hades - the grave) is not the equivalent of the "Lake of Fire", which Christ called "a furnace of fire" in Matthew 13:42. That "furnace of fire" was located in Zion in the city of Jerusalem, just as Isaiah 31:9 once described it. Jerusalem's temple had a furnace in which metals were proved and refined. We read about this in Zechariah 11:13 (LXX). The "Lake of Fire" in Jerusalem was the means by which God removed the corruption of His people in the AD 66-70 siege period. Christ had once said that He came to send fire on the EARTH, and He wished that it was already kindled during His earthly ministry.

This "Lake of Fire" judgment in AD 66-70 Jerusalem was similar to God using the city of Jerusalem once before as a furnace of fire back in Ezekiel 22:17-22 to judge His disobedient people. It had nothing to do with an after-life existence for the wicked dead.

"And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, the house of Israel is to me become dross: all they are brass, and tin, and iron, and lead, in the midst of the furnace; they are even the dross of silver. Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye are all become dross, behold, therefore I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. As they gather silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, into the midst of the furnace, to blow the fire upon it, to melt it; so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and I will leave you there, and melt you. Yea I will gather you, and blow upon you in the fire of my wrath, and ye shall be melted in the midst thereof. As silver is melted in the midst of the furnace, so shall ye be melted in the midst thereof; and ye shall know that I the Lord have poured out my fury upon you."

Jesus said you're VERY wrong!

Matt 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Same exact fate for humans and the Devil!

 

[Jack]

Yes.
We need to understand that Sheol is the realm of the dead from which souls will be resurrected for the judgement. (evaluation)
That is different than a forever burning hell.

You will soon believe in the "forever burning hell". Everybody will.

Matt 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[soberxp]

You will soon believe in the "forever burning hell". Everybody will.

Matt 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Are human beings is devil and angles?

 

[Jack]

Are human beings is devil and angles?

Huh?

 

[Jack]

Destroyed forever. Paul was an annihilationist.

You're twisting what Paul said. If they will be destroyed there would be no need for EVERLASTING! Destroyed would be all that's needed.

Hell will be filled with BILLIONS of humans who don't believe in Hell, and convince others there is no eternal Hell!

 

[ScottA]

What if they are the part of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which is the evil part!

The evil will throw into the lake of fire, even the knowledge of it.

True enough, but that tree is a family tree.

 

[ScottA]

Destroyed forever. Paul was an annihilationist.

He was a realist. Evil is real...and to be destroyed.

 

[soberxp]

True enough, but that tree is a family tree.

I know that tree is a family tree,
But I think the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which is some kind of family tree.
Cuz God is beginning and the end.Alpha and Omega.

 

[Jack]

The rich man died but was very much alive in the fire, crying, in torments, begging for mercy! But he doesn't get any mercy from God! Many here are heading for the same EVERLASTING fate! Jesus doesn't make up HORROR stories!

Luke 16:22-28 The rich man died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hell, 24 He cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.' 27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'

 

[St. SteVen]

So, what would you call "everlasting destruction?" Probation?

Restoration.
Evaluation (judgement), correction, restoration, redemption.

The Great physician doing His best work in humankind.

Jesus said, "... love your enemies..."

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[Lambano]

Are human beings is devil and angles?

Huh?

I'd cut him some slack. His English is better than your Chinese.

 

[Jack]

I'd cut him some slack. His English is better than your Chinese.

True indeed, but I'm not in a Chinese forum.

 

[St. SteVen]

True indeed, but I'm not in a Chinese forum.

You should try it.
Perhaps @soberxp could give you a link?

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[Jack]

You should try it.
Perhaps @soberxp could give you a link?

You still didn't answer my SIMPLE Christian questions. Let's try again.

Who is your god?

Which parts of the Bible do you believe are the Word of God?

 

[Lambano]

Destroyed forever. Paul was an annihilationist.

You're twisting what Paul said

At least I READ what Paul said. They will undergo the penalty of eternal destruction. (2 Thessalonians 1:9.) Paul uses the Greek word ὄλεθρος ("olethros") here, meaning destruction or death. He also uses this word in an eschatological sense in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 and 1 Timothy 6:6-9.

The 1 Timothy 6:9 reference is also interesting. But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap, and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge people into ruin (ὄλεθρος) and destruction (ἀπώλεια). Shall Your lovingkindness be declared in the grave? Ἀπώλεια, "apoleia", is a noun meaning "utter destruction" or "the perishing". Paul uses this word in Romans 9:22, Philemon 1:28, Philemon 3:19, 2 Thessalonians 2:3 in the sense of the PLACE of Destruction (or "Perdition") This is consistent with Peter's use of ἀπώλεια in Acts 8:20 (which very few translations get right because of the awkwardness of that holy saint telling Simon the Sorcerer to take his money and go to Hell) as well as the Septuagint translation of the Hebrew "Abbadon" in Psalm 88:11 (Shall Your lovingkindness be declared in the grave? Or Your faithfulness in the place of destruction?, NKJV) and elsewher; see also Revelation 9:11.

So, Paul consistently contrasts Resurrection to life with Death in the place of Destruction as the eschatological fates of the righteous versus the unrighteous.

 

[Jack]

At least I READ what Paul said. They will undergo the penalty of eternal destruction. (2 Thessalonians 1:9.) Paul uses the Greek word ὄλεθρος ("olethros") here, meaning destruction or death. He also uses this word in an eschatological sense in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 and 1 Timothy 6:6-9.

The 1 Timothy 6:9 reference is also interesting. But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap, and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge people into ruin (ὄλεθρος) and destruction (ἀπώλεια). ἀπώλεια, "apoleia" is a noun meaning "utter destruction" or "the perishing". Paul uses this word in Romans 9:22, Philemon 1:28, Philemon 3:19, 2 Thessalonians 2:3 in the sense of the PLACE of Destruction (or "Perdition") This is consistent with Peter's use of ἀπώλεια in Acts 8:20 (which very few translations get right because it means that holy saint told Simon the Sorcerer to take his money and go to Hell) as well as the Septuagint translation of the Hebrew "Abbadon" in Psalm 88:11 (Shall Your lovingkindness be declared in the grave? Or Your faithfulness in the place of destruction?, NKJV) and elsewher; see also Revelation 9:11.

So, Paul consistently contrasts Resurrection to life with Death in the place of Destruction as the eschatological fates of the righteous versus the unrighteous.

Paul NEVER contradicted Jesus no matter how hard you try. BILLIONS of humans will burn in Hell FOREVER. Jesus said so.