I will raise them on the last day.

[soberxp]

Why not what? Explain what you are asking in relation to what I said.

About the New Earth and the New Heaven.

 

[David in NJ]

I'm neither. So, instead of making ridiculous and useless comments like that, how about you show me the scripture which shows a connection between the thousand years of Revelation 20 and Genesis 5. Do you have any scripture which shows that connection? I don't believe so.

i know you are neither

Do you have any scripture which shows that connection? I don't believe so.

same unbelief as Baptists, RCC and JWs

Adam lived 930 literal years BUT @Spiritual Israelite says "NO NO NO", I don't believe it.............

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

About the New Earth and the New Heaven.

What about it exactly? I don't know what you were asking when you asked "Why not?". Can you clarify what exactly you are asking? If not, don't worry about it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

i know you are neither


same unbelief as Baptists, RCC and JWs

Adam lived 930 literal years BUT @Spiritual Israelite says "NO NO NO", I don't believe it.............

LOL. I did not deny that Adam lived 930 years and you know it. Why are you being so dishonest here? I'm obviously not denying how long Adam lived, but rather am denying that scripture ever makes the same connection you're making between Adam's age and the thousand years of Revelation 20. Where does scripture itself ever make that connection?

 

[NotTheRock]

The more I read threads here and in other communities I browse from time to time, the more it becomes apparent that the Bible isn't taken as seriously as one would think.

Which Bible do you recommend?

 

[NotTheRock]

Why would they want to do that?, when it should be obvious that Paul taught the Lord comes in eternal vengeance against all who have rejected the Gospel on the day he comes to raise and glorify us the last Day.


2Thess 1
5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering.
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].

9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day , and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed and trusted [and confirmed in your lives].

Which Bible translation is that, please?

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Which Bible do you recommend?

It varies among the faithful.
I enjoy the tradition of the KJV.
Then there's the NIV version, and I also like the ESV.
I also go toward the NET from time to time.

This might assist you in your decision.

The Most Accurate Bible Translations (According to Scholars)

Which is the most accurate Bible translation? Explore the history and accuracy of this topic, from Wycliffe to modern versions such as the NRSV, emphasizing the importance of original Hebrew and Greek texts.

www.bartehrman.com

 

[NotTheRock]

It varies among the faithful.
I enjoy the tradition of the KJV.
Then there's the NIV version, and I also like the ESV.
I also go toward the NET from time to time.

This might assist you in your decision.

The Most Accurate Bible Translations (According to Scholars)

Which is the most accurate Bible translation? Explore the history and accuracy of this topic, from Wycliffe to modern versions such as the NRSV, emphasizing the importance of original Hebrew and Greek texts.

www.bartehrman.com

Thanks. Do you ever check out Young's Literal Translation or the Concordant Literal New Testament?

My problem with most English translations is that they contradict THEMSELVES due to faulty translations, which lead to misunderstandings and false doctrines, such as forever punishment.

 

[David in NJ]

LOL. I did not deny that Adam lived 930 years and you know it. Why are you being so dishonest here? I'm obviously not denying how long Adam lived, but rather am denying that scripture ever makes the same connection you're making between Adam's age and the thousand years of Revelation 20. Where does scripture itself ever make that connection?

OK - We can work together as we submit to what GOD Says is Truth.

Why did God BLESS Adam to live 930 literal years?

 

[David in NJ]

The more I read threads here and in other communities I browse from time to time, the more it becomes apparent that the Bible isn't taken as seriously as one would think.

Very disheartening.

This is the times in which we live where few reverence the Holy Scriptures of Truth = very few

The LORD, knowing all things warned us of this = Matthew 24:3-4

Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be?
And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you."

Very few are "taking heed"

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Very disheartening.

This is the times in which we live where few reverence the Holy Scriptures of Truth = very few

The LORD, knowing all things warned us of this = Matthew 24:3-4

Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be?
And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you."

Very few are "taking heed"

It's heartbreaking. Sure,we read of this but to encounter it is quite disheartening.

 

[David in NJ]

It's heartbreaking. Sure,we read of this but to encounter it is quite disheartening.

You know what a 'gatekeeper' is - yes?

 

[ProverbsInPink]

You know what a 'gatekeeper' is - yes?

Yes.

 

[jeffweeder]

Which Bible translation is that, please?

Amplified.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes.

There are many in christiandom - for the wrong reason!!!

 

[ProverbsInPink]

There are many in christiandom - for the wrong reason!!!

John 10:1-42
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”

 

[David in NJ]

John 10:1-42
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”

YES, the LORD is THE GateKEEPER of HEAVEN = Amen

 

[David in NJ]

John 10:1-42
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”

JESUS is also the GateKEEPER of TRUTH because HE is The Source of TRUTH.

"IAM the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, no once comes to the FATHER but thru ME"

 

[Aunty Jane]

Is it like the case of Korah's rebellion?

No, nothing like Korah’s rebellion....the ones protesting Moses’ leadership were denying him as God’s appointed spokesman and mediator of the old covenant. Just as those in Jesus’ day denied him as God’s spokesman and mediator of the new covenant.

Where did Jesus consign those who were instigated his murder? “Gehenna”....which is “the second death”...a death from which no resurrection is possible....a death that never ends.

However, I always think this is a story made up by Catholicism. Satan is a serpent, a cunning serpent—he was created cunning, not self-formed. If he had truly created cunning by himself, he would indeed possess a degree of power As God. Yet I have never believed this argument.

Since God created all things, why would he purposely create a devil? Everything God made is perfect but free will meant that choices could be made but with the the understanding that every choice would have a consequence...either good or bad.

I hold that in the Bible, when Lucifer is metaphorically referred to as the cherub who guarded the Ark of the Covenant, it is speaking of the importance of marriage, and the interdependent relationship between family and the nation. A ruler who cannot guard family well cannot guard his nation well either; similarly, one who cannot guard his nation well cannot guard family well. This is a perspective in Chinese culture—though the wording may differ, the meaning is the same. Therefore, I do not believe that passage of Scripture describes a real angelic rebellion or anything of that kind.

It is interesting that your thoughts are influenced by Chinese culture, when Jesus and his apotles were all Jewish. There is nothing in the Bible that suggests that satan was ‘the cherub who guarded the ark of the covenant’ The cherubs on the cover of the ark were symbolic....cherubs are guardians.

It states in Ezekiel that the angel who became the devil, was the “covering cherub” in the “garden of Eden”....(Ezekiel 28:11-17) Put into a dirge against a wicked king, who was emulating the devil, God described satan’s own fall......which put him right there, observing all that was transpiring with the first humans and allowing thoughts of gaining worship for himself, to take root.
God did not create the devil...he created himself.

As James describes it....
“When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. 14  But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15  Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death.” (James 1: 13-15)

It’s a chain reaction that if not halted with that first thought of sinning, will become the action that ends in the termination of your life.....you thereby disqualify yourself.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

JESUS is also the GateKEEPER of TRUTH because HE is The Source of TRUTH.

"IAM the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, no once comes to the FATHER but thru ME"

Yes! He was from the beginning and is eternal.He is in the Old Testament and the New.

God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
https://www.openbible.info/topics/i_am
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
https://www.openbible.info/topics/i_am
https://www.openbible.info/topics/i_am
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,
https://www.openbible.info/topics/i_am
https://www.openbible.info/topics/i_am
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”