WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[Fred J]

'Doug' we love you even though you're such a challenge, therefore in Jesus name the veil that hinders your vision be removed.

Honor, Praise and Glory be to GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ forever and ever, Amen

 

[GodsGrace]

Them must i also bring and they shall be ONE FOLD with ONE SHEPARD .
that other fold is of the gentiles . The believing jew and beleiving gentile
are NOW ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and all unbelievers are outside and in darkness .
ONLY BY FAITH IN JESUS can one enter into and become this BODY , THIS BRIDE .
Many have no idea what occurred . That middle wall WAS BROKEN down
just as surely as THE VEIL was rent in TWAIN . JESUS MADE the WAY , HE IS THE WAY .
And its TIME for all to abandon the ecumincal harlot and her broad path .
For she too has come to now make this world as one F OLD . but it ai nt UNDER GOD sister .
The sheep heed not her call .

Yes sir.
If only persons would read their bible instead of learning from these
modern naysayers that teach concepts/ideas/doctrine that is not even found in the bible.

 

[GodsGrace]

@Doug

What do you see from this - John 1:10-13

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

AS MANY AS RECEIVED HIM....

Great verse!

I often wonder why we cannot just believe what scripture PLAINLY states.


It goes along with John 3:16
WHOSOEVER BELIEVES.....No limitation.

 

[GodsGrace]

Actually, it is a sheepfold an enclosed area to protect the sheep. The other sheep either the scattered Jews or the Jews in the divided house would be brought into the sheepfold with Jesus

LOL
1. Sheep are not enclosed in an area. It's required that they roam.
But, yes, the shepherd does protect them.

2. Why not just read what the bible says and obey it instead of making up doctrine based on something that is not supported by scripture?

You have been given many passages that state that EVERYONE is welcomed into the NC.

It seems that you believe that only JEWS were saved from the beginning of time.
This is not taught either.

 

[GodsGrace]

We weren't talking about the new covenant

Oh. Then WHAT are you speaking about.
Haven't you been saying that the Covenants are not for Gentiles?
Haven't you been stating that the New Testament is not for Gentiles?
Are you aware that NEW COVENANT and NEW TESTAMENT means the same?

 

[GodsGrace]

Romans 9 10 & 11 is about Israel. I didnt say he was talking to Jews.

I agree that Romans 9 to 11 is speaking about Israel.

Your position is becoming unclear to me.
Are we all in the family of God?
Are we all members of the Body of Christ?

WHAT exactly is your point?
Are you a Black Hebrew Israelite?


PS for those that may not know Black Hebrew Israelite is a religion
not the color of one's skin.

 

[David in NJ]

AS MANY AS RECEIVED HIM....

Great verse!

I often wonder why we cannot just believe what scripture PLAINLY states.


It goes along with John 3:16
WHOSOEVER BELIEVES.....No limitation.

I also often wonder why we cannot just believe what scripture PLAINLY states.

You are a breath of fresh (Holy Spirit) air for me today = thank you

Please continue to lift UP Daniel in petition for his healing

 

[amigo de christo]

AS MANY AS RECEIVED HIM....

Great verse!

I often wonder why we cannot just believe what scripture PLAINLY states.


It goes along with John 3:16
WHOSOEVER BELIEVES.....No limitation.

Whosoever BELIEVES indeed my friend .
But what if i told you That BELIEVES means TO not only claim to Believe on HIM
but its all tied into BELEIVING HIS WORDS .
Go to and behold the why , as in why they were not allowed to enter into the promised land .
It is not because they said HEY WE DONT BELIEVE IN GOD
it was because they did not BELIEVE HIM . Many now follow and beleive in
another jesus . This is a serious problem my friend .
And its why i been literally pleading for all to get back into the bible to learn for themselves .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes sir.
If only persons would read their bible instead of learning from these
modern naysayers that teach concepts/ideas/doctrine that is not even found in the bible.

if we do this things will become much clearer in time .
When we do we cannot read it through the lens of the RCC or other denominations either .
Let us read for ourselves .
Had people done this from the beginning of their walk
they had been far better off and would not have entered into the wrong covenant of finding common ground and etc .
You see i seen this error when it was very tiny .
THEY first introduced to us a so called better way to evagenlize .
but the error was already in it .
You see they made a b ig ado about how we need to be doing good works and etc , WHICH IS T RUE ,
but then made it seem like speaking words is not the answer .
THE true way s hould have included BOTH . example . HEY church
we have to be doing BOTH , both the good works and the speaking about Christ .
BUT THEY removed the part about speaking words . BIG mistake .

 

[amigo de christo]

@Doug

What do you see from this - John 1:10-13

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This is what i see .
He came to be crucfied on a cross made of wood
and yet had created the very hill , AND ALL THINGS , on which it stood .
Now , WHO DOES THAT SOUND LIKE .
a hint
IN THE BEGINNING GOD SAID ............................Let there be LIGHT and there was LIGHT .

 

[David in NJ]

This is what i see .
He came to be crucfied on a cross made of wood
and yet had created the very hill , AND ALL THINGS , on which it stood .
Now , WHO DOES THAT SOUND LIKE .
a hint
IN THE BEGINNING GOD SAID ............................Let there be LIGHT and there was LIGHT .

Lately on these 'christian' forums it seems that to believe Genesis and the Gospel it suddenly becomes 'blasphemy'

Many now consider this blasphemy = "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

 

[Doug]

Sadly you've lost it.

We Jew and Gentile Christian as the one body of Christ was only being disciple by Paul towards the middle of the book Acts and onwards.

But beforehand we have already been disciple by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and towards the middle of the book of Acts.

Since Christ already commissioned them first in Matthew chapter 28, to make disciple of all nations of Jews and gentiles, way before Paul.

It's just that we do not know where did you get lost in all of this because we've since moved on the book of Revelation.

You said........................It's the Master's Gospel about the Grace and Truth of GOD, from the beginning He distributed first to the 12 Apostles, and then later to the 13th Apostle in completion.

Saying grace and truth came by Christ isnt the gospel. Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom and he sent the twelve to preach it as well. You are saying it's all one big gospel given to the twelve then more of the gospel was given to Paul. If it's one big gospel then it all needs to be obeyed by us. You are saying the "great commission" of Matthew 28 is included in our gospel. The "great commission" is not just Matthew 28 it also includes this commission..............[Mar 16:15 KJV] 15 And he said unto them, Go y e into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature......what gospel? They were to preach the gospel of the kingdom. So my questions remain are you preaching the gospel of the kingdom? Are you preaching to be baptized and saying the Davidic kingdom is at hand? Have you sold all? Have you started preaching in Jerusalem? This is all included to preach the gospel of the kingdom which you say is part of your one big gospel.

 

[Doug]

Since Israel rejected the Gospel and their Messiah and only a remnant saved under the election of grace, the New Covenant since have gone to the Gentiles!

Where have you been when all of this have come to pass and we're in the 20th century??

[Jer 31:31 KJV] 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
The new covenant is made with the house of Israel and Judah NOT Gentiles

 

[Doug]

@Doug

What do you see from this - John 1:10-13

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

I dont know what you want me to see, but I will tell you what I see.

Jesus came to redeem Israel only (Only Paul would reveal he saved all, not just Israel). There was a remnant that were saved. They were saved by believing on his name, by believing he was Christ, the Son of God.

 

[Doug]

1. Sheep are not enclosed in an area. It's required that they roam.
But, yes, the shepherd does protect them.

Here is webster definition of sheepfold................: a pen or shelter for sheep

From Bible dictionary..........................
In biblical terms, the meaning of the word sheepfold in the Bible refers to a safe enclosure for sheep, often used as a metaphor for God’s care and protection over His people. This term is deeply rooted in the pastoral culture of ancient Israel, where sheep herding was a common occupation. The sheepfold symbolizes safety, community, and the intimate relationship between the shepherd and the sheep.

[Jhn 10:1 KJV] 1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold,[G833][G4263] but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Jesus said he was the door to the sheepfold........................[Jhn 10:7-11 KJV] 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

 

[David in NJ]

I dont know what you want me to see, but I will tell you what I see.

Jesus came to redeem Israel only (Only Paul would reveal he saved all, not just Israel). There was a remnant that were saved. They were saved by believing on his name, by believing he was Christ, the Son of God.

In John 1:10-11 where does it say "Jesus came to redeem Israel only"

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Doug]

Oh. Then WHAT are you speaking about.
Haven't you been saying that the Covenants are not for Gentiles?
Haven't you been stating that the New Testament is not for Gentiles?
Are you aware that NEW COVENANT and NEW TESTAMENT means the same?

Not that it matters but this thread was not about the new covenant. You started this thread at post#466 where you asked me what John 10:15-16 meant. If you want to talk about the new covenant, fine.

Lots of people say the new covenant and new testament are the same. Some people claim this by these verses...............[Hebrews 9:15 KJV] 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

[Hebrews 12:24 KJV] 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel....................................In both verses Jesus is said to be mediator. Mediator of the new testament and the new covenant, so they conclude that the new testament and the new covenant refer to the same thing, and are interchangeable.

Other say they are the same because they are the same Greek word. How they are used in context determines whether the word is translated as testament or covenant. There is a difference between them.
A testament is the last will and is in effect only at the death of the testator.
A covenant is a contract between parties, or a promise made. A covenant does not depend on death.

 

[Doug]

Are we all in the family of God?
Are we all members of the Body of Christ?

We are all of the household of God. We are all in the body of Christ in this dispensation. Peter and the disciples were not in the body of Christ they were in the believing remnant of Israel, the church in Jerusalem

 

[Doug]

In John 1:10-11 where does it say "Jesus came to redeem Israel only"

I was commenting on the verse saying "he came unto his own". This means he came to fulfill the promises made to Israel and to save them from their sins..................[Mat 1:21 KJV] 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

[David in NJ]

I was commenting on the verse saying "he came unto his own". This means he came to fulfill the promises made to Israel and to save them from their sins..................[Mat 1:21 KJV] 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

"he came unto his own" = that part you are CORRECT

However, the Apostle John does not conclude with "he came unto his own"

The Conclusion is = "his own did not receive Him BUT as many as received Him, He gave the Right for them to become sons of God"