WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[GodsGrace]

Whosoever BELIEVES indeed my friend .
But what if i told you That BELIEVES means TO not only claim to Believe on HIM
but its all tied into BELEIVING HIS WORDS .
Go to and behold the why , as in why they were not allowed to enter into the promised land .
It is not because they said HEY WE DONT BELIEVE IN GOD
it was because they did not BELIEVE HIM . Many now follow and beleive in
another jesus . This is a serious problem my friend .
And its why i been literally pleading for all to get back into the bible to learn for themselves .

Of course Amigo.
Even demons believe.

When a Christian says he believes in God and is a follower of Him/Jesus,
it means he is DOING what Jesus said to do. It's an action that must follow....
believe in the Greek means to obey.

It's all very simple really.

 

[GodsGrace]

Here is webster definition of sheepfold................: a pen or shelter for sheep

From Bible dictionary..........................
In biblical terms, the meaning of the word sheepfold in the Bible refers to a safe enclosure for sheep, often used as a metaphor for God’s care and protection over His people. This term is deeply rooted in the pastoral culture of ancient Israel, where sheep herding was a common occupation. The sheepfold symbolizes safety, community, and the intimate relationship between the shepherd and the sheep.

[Jhn 10:1 KJV] 1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold,[G833][G4263] but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Jesus said he was the door to the sheepfold........................[Jhn 10:7-11 KJV] 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in,

Notice that Jesus said, in YOUR verse above: John 10:7-11
I AM THE DOOR OF THE SHEEP...
IF ANY MAN ENTER IN....

IF ANY MAN ENTER IN.

ANY MAN.

he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Right.
And Jesus said He had other sheep to which He must attend.
OTHER SHEEP....
besides the Jews.

To the Jew first and also to the Gentile

Romans 1:15-16
15 So, for my part, I am eager to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

 

[GodsGrace]

We are all of the household of God. We are all in the body of Christ in this dispensation. Peter and the disciples were not in the body of Christ they were in the believing remnant of Israel, the church in Jerusalem

But Jesus said He wanted His church to remain united...to be one.
So when did the new church, the Body of Christ begin?

 

[Doug]

"he came unto his own" = that part you are CORRECT

However, the Apostle John does not conclude with "he came unto his own"

The Conclusion is = "his own did not receive Him BUT as many as received Him, He gave the Right for them to become sons of God"

It is unwarranted to say the many would include Gentiles. Other scripture has to be considered to refute this. If Jesus was offering salvation to the Gentiles as well, then why would he prohibit going to the Gentiles?....................[Mat 10:5 KJV] 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:.................Christ said he would shed his blood for the many, which was the believing remnant of Israel, NOT FOR ALL to include Gentiles (only Paul would reveal he died for all)...................[Mat 26:28 KJV] 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

John 1:11-12 is saying that as a nation Israel rejected him except for the few who received him and believed on his name

 

[David in NJ]

It is unwarranted to say the many would include Gentiles.

That would be placing your words upon the Apostle John's and that my dear Doug is insincere, since you are saying you know more then the Apostle who walked with the LORD Jesus Christ.

Stay with the Apostle John and the Gospel of John for now = "as many as received Him"
Gentiles received Christ when JESUS was earth for many were in the background listening to His words =
the Roman Centurion heard of JESUS and sought Him ought

We may find him in Heaven.

The half/Jew woman at the well, whom the Jews DESPISED received JESUS along with many from her town who were not all Jews.

 

[Doug]

But Jesus said He wanted His church to remain united...to be one.
So when did the new church, the Body of Christ begin?

I cant say when the body of Christ began because scripture doesnt state it, but I can say it wasnt spoken of before Paul.

 

[GodsGrace]

It is unwarranted to say the many would include Gentiles. Other scripture has to be considered to refute this. If Jesus was offering salvation to the Gentiles as well, then why would he prohibit going to the Gentiles?....................[Mat 10:5 KJV] 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:.................Christ said he would shed his blood for the many, which was the believing remnant of Israel, NOT FOR ALL to include Gentiles (only Paul would reveal he died for all)...................[Mat 26:28 KJV] 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

John 1:11-12 is saying that as a nation Israel rejected him except for the few who received him and believed on his name

Read some commentaries Doug.
Sometimes they come in handy.

(5) Go not into the way of the Gentiles.—The emphatic limitation seems at first sight at variance with the language which had spoken of those who should come from east and west to sit down with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God, and with the fact that our Lord had already taken

His disciples into a city of Samaria, and told them that there also there were fields white for the harvest (John 4:35). We must remember, however, (1) that the limitation was confined to the mission on which they were now sent; (2) that it did but recognise a divine order, the priority of Israel in God’s dealing with mankind, “to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile;” and (3) that the disciples themselves were as yet unfitted to enter on a work which required wider thoughts and hopes than they had yet attained.

It was necessary that they should learn to share their Master’s pity for the lost sheep of the house of Israel before they could enter into His yearnings after the sheep that were “not of this fold” (John 10:16).

source: Matthew 10:5 Commentaries: These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans;

 

[Behold]

Paul is merely an 'instrument' chosen by Christ period

Paul is a specific "chosen vessel" whom Jesus personally chose from HEAVEN..= to be the "Apostle to the Gentiles'.......and to deliver to the body of Christ "THe Gospel", and alll the Church Doctrine.

No other apostle was chosen to so do all of this.......only Paul.

Therefore the Gospel Christ given to the 12 Apostles were grace and truth, and the Gospel Christ given to Paul were also grace and truth.

Christ never preached to the Jews, what Paul was given to give to the Church.
This is because there was no CHURCH, no CHRISTIANITY, untill AFTER Jesus died on The Cross to birth the Body of Christ.

 

[GodsGrace]

I cant say when the body of Christ began because scripture doesnt state it, but I can say it wasnt spoken of before Paul.

Ah. I see.
OK
This is because Paul, a master theologian, put together most of Christian theology.

So are you saying we became members after Paul?
This would have been about 2 to 3 years after the ascension.

Do you believe that Jesus did NOT want to save the rest of mankind?
Does this deny/reject all the scripture you've been given on this thread?

Actually, Doug, as I've already stated, I still don't really understand your position.

Could you clarify it in 25 words or less?

 

[Doug]

That would be placing your words upon the Apostle John's and that my dear Doug is insincere, since you are saying you know more then the Apostle who walked with the LORD Jesus Christ.

Stay with the Apostle John and the Gospel of John for now = "as many as received Him"
Gentiles received Christ when JESUS was earth for many were in the background listening to His words =
the Roman Centurion heard of JESUS and sought Him ought

We may find him in Heaven.

The half/Jew woman at the well, whom the Jews DESPISED received JESUS along with many from her town who were not all Jews.

Other scriptures are needed to understand any one verse, which you have totally omitted

 

[Doug]

Read some commentaries Doug.
Sometimes they come in handy.

(5) Go not into the way of the Gentiles.—The emphatic limitation seems at first sight at variance with the language which had spoken of those who should come from east and west to sit down with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God, and with the fact that our Lord had already taken

His disciples into a city of Samaria, and told them that there also there were fields white for the harvest (John 4:35). We must remember, however, (1) that the limitation was confined to the mission on which they were now sent; (2) that it did but recognise a divine order, the priority of Israel in God’s dealing with mankind, “to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile;” and (3) that the disciples themselves were as yet unfitted to enter on a work which required wider thoughts and hopes than they had yet attained.

It was necessary that they should learn to share their Master’s pity for the lost sheep of the house of Israel before they could enter into His yearnings after the sheep that were “not of this fold” (John 10:16).

source: Matthew 10:5 Commentaries: These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans;

Not all the commentaries are right

 

[David in NJ]

Other scriptures are needed to understand any one verse, which you have totally omitted

OK - lets continue with the Gospel of the Apostle John

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.


everyone /ĕv′rē-wŭn″/

pronoun​

1. Every person; everybody.
2. Every person.

noun​

1. Everybody; -- commonly separated, every one.
   Similar: everybody

 

[amigo de christo]

Lately on these 'christian' forums it seems that to believe Genesis and the Gospel it suddenly becomes 'blasphemy'

Many now consider this blasphemy = "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

This was what it was always leading too my friend .
Forgive me if i cannot list all the workers and co workers
But its far easier to say satan was working through men and women
whose love was for this life , this world
and he used them all , every last one of them from seeker friendly
rick warren , popes , brian mclarens , nar realm
To recreate another image of GOD , OF CHRIST
a god that even ALL OTHER RELIGIONS agree to . A love and its mindset
which created a god that even athiests can serve , as well as every other religoin
as well as the SOLD OUT VAST MAJORITY of even christendom can and does serve .
AND IT AINT THE GOD , that is for darn sure .
David when i talk about a spider and its many webs , I WAS NOT KIDDING .
this entity is all OVER the place . and it has found a way
to merge all under the one thing they all have in common . Now they call it love
BUT I CALL IT THE LOVE OF THIS WORLD AND NOT OF GOD .
I wish people understood my friend . I really do . But why DO YOU T HINK
i spend most of my time warning against this unity finding commong round ecumincal dung pile .
CAUSE IT IS The spinner of this web . or to be more clear , its father they serve is , and that father
WILL NOT be captilized on my watch , that god will not be captilized
ITS THE DEVIL dude .

 

[amigo de christo]

Of course Amigo.
Even demons believe.

When a Christian says he believes in God and is a follower of Him/Jesus,
it means he is DOING what Jesus said to do. It's an action that must follow....
believe in the Greek means to obey.

It's all very simple really.

Beleive in the english bible i read MEANT OBEY . how come i knew that without never having learned greek .
Now beware this greek stuff . cause while it can be used to help , its also mainly used to decieve , THAT BE A FACT friend .
I only read ONE BIBLE
and its the one that everyone seems to have a problem with , THE KJV .
SO why come i know all this s tuff , I never sat under men who taught hermeunetics
or greek or hebrew or whatever else they act like we have to know to KNOW the bible .
HOW COME . cause , GOD IS WITH the sheep , and believe me,
THE BIBLE is not confusing , MEN MADE IT CONFUSING . that too is a fact . A REAL FACT .

 

[GodsGrace]

Not all the commentaries are right

Of course.
Unless they all agree....

Check it out.

 

[amigo de christo]

OK - lets continue with the Gospel of the Apostle John

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.


everyone /ĕv′rē-wŭn″/

pronoun​

1. Every person; everybody.
2. Every person.

noun​

1. Everybody; -- commonly separated, every one.
   Similar: everybody

one would think it had been real simple to know this . OH wait by the grace of GOD IT IS .
I never sat under great greek scholars and men of mighty hebrew knowledge
I never sat under men of the great hermuenticis , of the great exegisis
BUT THEN that is why I DONT TWIST SCRIPS , I SIMPLY BELEIVED THEM as written .
People love to have scrips twisted to them , well at least the scrips
that get in the way of their sin and what they love most and the god they love .
THIS walk was supposed to have been a simple walk . BUT men that loved their lives in this world
DARN sure brought a lot of confusion into it . and worse many seem to love to have it so .
WELL NOT this sheep . COUNT THE COST . LET GOD be T RUE but every man a liar .
And WELL lets face the facts my friend . I KNOW , and that by grace, That not some
not half , not even most , BUT EVERY SINGLE WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH . this sheep stays in the scriptures
THEY can keep the rest . I have no desire for twisted meat . THANKS BE TO GOD and TO HIS CHRIST
my taste is for TRUTH .

 

[Doug]

So are you saying we became members after Paul?

Thats what I think. There is no mention of the body of Christ before Paul, neither is the teachings of it found before Paul.

 

[Doug]

Do you believe that Jesus did NOT want to save the rest of mankind?

Paul reveals Christ saved all

 

[amigo de christo]

Of course.
Unless they all agree....

Check it out.

nope , not even then . Because you wanna know what i am seeing .
A lie , twisted understanding by means of a sensual love that is NOW having them to agree as one .
ONLY IT DARN sure aint under GOD , WITH GOD , WITH CHRIST . its with another god whose has fed
them the love of this world CONVINCING THEM ALL it was the LOVE OF GOD .
AND its a love the decieved WILL GRAB AHOLD OF TOO .
DO ya ever wonder why i warn so much , yet few to none even help me , against this ecumincal false lovey do
interfaith finding common ground .
THAT IS THE ONE thing the false religoins have bought into
and worse even many denominations in christendom have bought into .
THEY ALL BEING MERGED as one under what EVERY LAST ONE of them believes is LOVE and is of GOD .
only IT OF THE DEVIL friend .

 

[Doug]

Does this deny/reject all the scripture you've been given on this thread?

All scripture is given for us, not all to us.