Agree.
John chapter one is so clear on this. The Word (Logos) became flesh. See verse 14.
It does NOT say that the Son became flesh. The Son was NOT the Son until the Word became flesh.
How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?
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John chapter one is so clear on this. The Word (Logos) became flesh. See verse 14.
It does NOT say that the Son became flesh. The Son was NOT the Son until the Word became flesh.
Grailhunter
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He was. The Logos, if understood in the cultural context of John, was an eternal being proceeding from the Father. That means He has always been "the Son".
This is also reflected in the early church creeds.
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The Apostles knew that categorically there was one supreme God Yahweh, and the mediator was the Man Christ which they called Lord because he was junior to God the Father
Grailhunter
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THE GOD according to the Bible. For sure!
1 Timothy 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
All you seem to have is YOUR opinions.
Gen 1:26 God said, "Let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness"!
Father, Son and Holy Spirit! ONE God.
The Logos was not a person. (until the logos became flesh)
Lexical Summary
logos: Word, speech, message, account, reason, doctrine
Original Word: λόγος
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: logos
Pronunciation: LO-gos
Phonetic Spelling: (log'-os)
KJV: account, cause, communication, X concerning, doctrine, fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason, + reckon, remove, say(-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing, + none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work
NASB: word, words, statement, message, speech, account, matter
Word Origin: [from G3004 (λέγω - said)]
1. something said (including the thought)
2. (by implication) a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive
3. (by extension) a computation
4. (specially, with the article in John) the Divine Expression (i.e. Christ)
...The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal...
...So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God... (not three Gods as you incorrectly repeat).
...the right Faith is that... the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father; begotten before the worlds...
The Athanasian Creed
Grailhunter
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Joking here.....
Father, Son. and Holy Spirit! One God. Did you take math in school?
There are over a hundred scriptures that prove it wrong.
The doctrine of the one God forumula was started by the Roman Catholic Church in the 4th century.
Yeah, I was in the top 5% of the US.
There are ZERO "Gods" in the Bible! There is one God. You are drastically confused.
Grailhunter
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That is why Yeshua called him My Father 50 times.....because He is his own Father. My Father in Heaven.
Three Gods sitting on three thrones.....Christ to the right of His Father....or does He sit on His lap?
Ain't no "three Gods" in the Bible! You don't seem to know any Scripture to prove YOUR opinions.
From the CYB Statement of Faith: "We believe that God is the Creator, Sustainer, and Ruler of the universe. We attest that God has eternally existed in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God. (Genesis 1:1, 26-27, Genesis 3:22, Deuteronomy 6:4, Psalm 90:2, John 1:1, John 10:30, Romans 3:30, II Corinthians 13:14, I Peter 1:2)"
Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God? Why won't you answer this simple question? A Christian would.
It is a mistake to apply only the lexical meaning of the Greek word "logos" to John 1. Because Logos was also a philosophical-theological terminus technicus. This can not be found in a purely lexical Greek vocabulary.
When John says "the Logos", he refers to specific ("the") concept the readers would know about.
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