How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?
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Hiddenthings
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No-one in this forum would argue the words took up residence or dwelt is the meaning of "tabernacled"...only you Jack.
Young’s Literal Translation (YLT):
And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.
Literal Standard Version (LSV):
And the Word became flesh, and tented (tabernacled) among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of an only-begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Berean Literal Bible (BLB):
And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. We beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
World English Bible (WEB):
The Word became flesh, and lived (tabernacled) among us. We saw his glory
Young’s Literal Translation (YLT):
And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.
Literal Standard Version (LSV):
And the Word became flesh, and tented (tabernacled) among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of an only-begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Berean Literal Bible (BLB):
And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. We beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
World English Bible (WEB):
The Word became flesh, and lived (tabernacled) among us. We saw his glory
God sent Himself in the flesh, Jesus. That's what matters. Jesus is God. If you believe Jesus is God then we agree!
John 1:14 (GenevaBible)
14 And that Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
John 1:14 (ASV)
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us
John 1:14 (BBE)
14 And so the Word became flesh and took a place among us for a time;
John 1:14 (MontgomeryNT)
14 And the Word became flesh and tented with us.
John 1:14 (CSBBible)
The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
John 1:14 (CEB)
14 The Word became flesh and made his home among us.
John 1:14 (CJB)
14 The Word became a human being and lived with us,
John 1:14 (CEV)
14 The Word became a human being and lived here with us.
John 1:14 (Darby)
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us
John 1:14 (DRV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
John 1:14 (ESV)
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
John 1:14 (GW)
14 The Word became human and lived among us.
John 1:14 (HCSB)
14 The Word became flesh and took up residence among us.
John 1:14 (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
John 1:14 (MLB)
14 And the Word became man and lived for a time among us,
John 1:14 (MOFF)
14 So the Logos became flesh and tarried among us; -
John 1:14 (NET1)
14 Now[34] the Word became flesh[35] and took up residence[36] among us.
John 1:14 (NASB77)
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us,
John 1:14 (NASB)
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us,
John 1:14 (NIV)
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
John 1:14 (NIV2011)
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
John 1:14 (NJB)
14 The Word became flesh, he lived among us,
John 1:14 (NKJV)
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:14 (NLT2)
14 So the Word became human and made his home among us.
John 1:14 (NRSV)
14 And the Word became flesh and lived among us,
John 1:14 (RSV)
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
John 1:14 (TLB)
14 And Christ became a human being and lived here on earth among us
John 1:14 (WEY)
14 And the Word came in the flesh, and lived for a time in our midst,
John 1:14 (NCV)
14 The Word became a human and lived among us.
John 1:14 (MSG)
14 The Word became flesh and blood, and moved into the neighborhood.
John 1:14 (TEV)
14 The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us.
John 1:14 (Webster's Bible)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
Grailhunter
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And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14 NASB
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14 NIV
Hiddenthings
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1 Timothy 3:16 – “…God was manifested in the flesh…” (KJV) → Greek: φανερωθέντος ἐν σαρκί (phanerōthentos en sarki), literally “having been made manifest in flesh.”
Do you understand how God tabernacled in Christ?
Hiddenthings
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Correct, God was made known (manifested) through Christ in Character and then upon his resurrection in nature.
Hiddenthings
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@Grailhunter, the reason one cannot force a nature is because God granted that nature to His Son at the resurrection.
It’s impossible to be given something you already possess.
It’s impossible to be given something you already possess.
Hiddenthings
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how could he be raised up and granted immortality or eternal life? Psalm 21:4 says he asked life of God, and John 5:26 states that the Father gave the Son to have life in himself. Receiving life indicates dependence, not self-existence.
@Grailhunter - why would Jesus ask of God Life if he is God?
If you can provide a simple answer thanks
@Grailhunter - why would Jesus ask of God Life if he is God?
If you can provide a simple answer thanks
Grailhunter
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Hiddenthings
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St Steven is close on this...there are others in this forum who have odd pre-existent eternal son dogma's but none of them work in with the Apostles teaching. @The Learner
Hiddenthings
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Yes, this is Bible teaching - do you understand how the Apostles understood God Manifestation?
The Truth comes out. You deny Jesus is God.
"I don't disagree with Jesus as God.
I disagree with a pre-existent Jesus."
And you agree with one of the most outrageous, Satanic comments in the forum!
Grailhunter
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He asked life of You, You gave it to him, Length of days forever and ever. Psalm 21:4
This is referring to King David.
For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
John 5:26 John is pointing out the divine nature of the life in the God-man Yeshua.
These two verses are not related.
Hiddenthings
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What you are really saying is, “I don’t know what these verses mean, so this must be the logical conclusion.”
However, if your point was that Psalm 21:4 is not directly quoted in John 5:26, then that is correct, though it still doesn’t reflect an understanding of the spiritual echo or thematic fulfillment being revealed.
I'll leave it with you to work out.
The key for you to start with is here:
1 Timothy 6:16 “Who (Yahweh) alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.”
Start here and work your way through to Romans and Hebrews and you will find truth.
Grailhunter
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No.
God (Yahweh) so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son (Yeshua)
Yahweh impregnated Miriam and she delivered a God-man.
Christ explains the oneness concept....Yahweh in Yeshua....Yeshua in us and us in Yeshua.
The body of Christ and the family of God.
Manifest is abstract and if it applies it applies to God, Yeshua, and all of us.
Hiddenthings
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Close - just remove the extrabiblical term in red
1 Timothy 2:5. "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”
If you truly understand God’s manifestation, then the above verse should be fully clear to you. If not, and you insist on a God-man theology, you are departing from the understanding of the Apostles and the message of their Gospel.
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