WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[GodsGrace]

Jesus will establish the kingdom at the end of the tribulation

Christ will sit on David's throne in Jerusalem and reign for a thousand years................[2Sa 7:12-13, 16 KJV] 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. ... 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
[Psa 132:11 KJV] 11 The LORD hath sworn [in] truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
[Isa 9:7 KJV] 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

This interpretation of Revelation is not accepted by all denominations.
No concensus...
No theological value.
One could make of this as they please.....

The believing Jews will enter the kingdom along with some of the Gentile nations (the Gentile nations will enter based on how they treated Israel in the tribulation).

You've answered my question in my previous post.

Problem is: I don't believe in the tribulation the same way you do....
No rapture.

Israel will be a blessing to the nations and lead them to God............[Isa 60:3 KJV] 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
[Isa 61:6 KJV] 6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: [men] shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
[Zec 8:23 KJV] 23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you.

The above appears to be speaking about the time of Jesus.
The Gentiles have already come to the light.
We are all priests.
Many support Israel - whether or not they're Christian.

The kingdom is not the New Jerusalem. That city comes down after the kingdom.................[Rev 21:1-2 KJV] 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Agreed.
You're explaining the New Jerusalem.

 

[GodsGrace]

[Gen 7:1-5 KJV] 1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female. 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. 4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. 5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.

God did not tell us to do this he told Noah. We arent looking for the flood

I believe I've already answered these posts.
Was waiting on the Noahic Commandments and how they do not apply to all of humanity (according to you).

However, this conversation has to stop.
Too many flaws within a subject that is not soteriological and so does not interest me.

I appreciate all the information you've supplied.

 

[GodsGrace]

Amazing GodsGrace, in only few scripture quotes, Jesus said it and Paul who bear Jesus' name testified for Him, we agree it's grace the truth the Gospel message!

Glory, Honor and Praise be to our GOD because of our Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost, who prepare and send HIS servants.

Here itself we're witnessing that the Kingdom pertaining to the Holy Bible in context and sound doctrine 'spirit of truth' for one.

Apparently colliding with the kingdom pertaining to the Holy Bible, but in out of context and fall short in sound doctrine, 'spirit of error'.

We're gifted differently but we're to unite because of that one sound doctrine in the Holy Bible, defend and fight a good fight.

All for the sake of GOD's true born again lambs and sheep here who're witnessing, therefore they'll not go astray listening to 'heretics' or 'wanna be teachers'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord

I strongly believe that scripture is to be read clearly and plainly and any verse that seems unclear must be considered in relation to all other verses regarding the same subject matter.

I'll also go so far as to say that any new teaching is very suspect for precisely the reason that it IS NEW...and was never taught by the church in almost 2 thousand years.

Thanks for your post !

 

[Lambano]

One of the positive effects of Dispensationalism vs. Covenantal Replacement Theology is a better appreciation for Jews as still being God's people ("For God's gifts and calling are irrevocable"; Romans 11:29) and some mitigation of the virulent antisemitism that has plagued the Church throughout its history.

DI've learned from 3 different denominations...one does not speak about the Jews. (Catholic).
The other two taught that the Jews are the backbone of Christianity and are to be respected.
(Nazarene, AofG)

So I'm a little surprised by your comment...however I've been living here a long time now and cannot say that I'm still in touch with what's going on over there.

Mine was a historical observation, not necessarily a reflection of current US or European events. Historically, the Church (both the Catholic and Protestant sides) has not been friendly to the Jewish people. (You can look up some of the atrocities done in Jesus's name if you like.) I see the growing popularity of Dispensationalism in the US in the late 19th through the 20th century as having a positive effect of what was taught in the pulpit and practiced in the street. Your experience with the Church of the Nazarene and the Assemblies of God (the latter being officially Dispensationalist) is a good sign. The fact that our Catholic brethren (who are officially NOT Dispensationalist) don't want to talk about it...

 

[Doug]

Did Jesus teach something different than the Noahic Commandments?

This is what I stated in post no. 641:

As to the commandments to Noah...
Could you please post them and then explain why they do NOT apply to us?

Did Jesus teach something different?


IOW,,,God always taught all mankind the same rules.

I dont know what you think the Noahic commandments are. God gave Noah instructions about the ark see post#648

God commanded not to eat blood....................[Gen 9:4 KJV] 4 But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

God made the rainbow covenant

 

[Doug]

Am not sure which cave you've crawled out from, but nevertheless because of Lord Jesus Christ, i love you.

The New Testament is the Gospel of grace and truth, 'Glad Tiding' from above brought by Lord Jesus Christ, for those who are not born again and for those who are already born again church.

Ephesians 2:
20. And are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief Corner Stone;

It's the New Covenant GOD made with the Israelites first through Jesus Christ, where only a remnant of them saved under the election of grace.

Henceforth since majority of the Israelites have rejected and enemies of it, whilst not believing and receiving the Son, therefore the same New Covenant were made with the Gentiles as promised.

Scripturally is prophesied, for it is to cause jealousy among the Jews that now the Gentiles are worshiping their only true GOD.

So as Gentiles similar to the remnant then, both saved under the election of grace that day, to date we've got the Holy Bible as 'proof'.

Therefore the New Testament/Covenant/Agreement of GOD through Jesus Christ, we Gentile church have received, is the Gospel according to Matthew to the Revelation according to John.

Paul's given Gospel by Christ is in midst of it in 'addition' and in compilation, for the Jew and Gentile church saved under the election of grace.

For your deceived and twisted fall short gospel doctrine you preach, that the Jews have the 12 Apostles' gospel and the Gentiles have Paul's gospel, is to your own destruction and accursed.

Not too late, you can still come out of it and not wait another day, that which will not probably come.

I cant find where you present the gospel, just a lot of verbiage
Here is my gospel .......Christ Jesus died for our sins and rose for our justification.

 

[Doug]

So in the future KIngodom, which is what I believe you're speaking of....
only Jews will be there?

Yes there will be Gentiles who believed the preaching of the twelve and Gentiles who blessed Israel as seen in Matthew about the sheep and goat Gentile nations..................[Mat 25:31-34 KJV] 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

 

[Doug]

Then you say it WOULD HAVE been given to them....
so now God is going to break His promise and give it to the Gentiles after all?
(it has to be inhabited by some peoples).

The kingdom will be offered again and the gospel of the kingdom preached again...................[Mat 24:14 KJV] 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

 

[Doug]

This interpretation of Revelation is not accepted by all denominations.

Here is what I wrote..................
Christ will sit on David's throne in Jerusalem and reign for a thousand years................[2Sa 7:12-13, 16 KJV] 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. ... 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
[Psa 132:11 KJV] 11 The LORD hath sworn [in] truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
[Isa 9:7 KJV] 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Where do you see anything about Revelation

 

[Doug]

The above appears to be speaking about the time of Jesus.
The Gentiles have already come to the light.

Here is what I wrote...............
Israel will be a blessing to the nations and lead them to God............[Isa 60:3 KJV] 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
[Isa 61:6 KJV] 6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: [men] shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
[Zec 8:23 KJV] 23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you.

These passages are yet future
Isiah 60:3 is about Israel. Israel has fallen now but this verse speaks of the rise of Israel...............[Isa 60:2 KJV] 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

Isaiah 61:6 is when believing Israel will be priests to the Gentiles in the kingdom

In Zec 8:23 the Gentiles in the kingdom will seek the Lord and be lead by believing Israel

 

[Doug]

We are all priests.

We are nowhere called priests, only believing Israel will be priests in the kingdom............[Exo 19:6 KJV] 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

 

[Doug]

I believe I've already answered these posts.
Was waiting on the Noahic Commandments and how they do not apply to all of humanity (according to you).

However, this conversation has to stop.
Too many flaws within a subject that is not soteriological and so does not interest me.

I appreciate all the information you've supplied.

Up to you

 

[Doug]

Am not sure which cave you've crawled out from, but nevertheless because of Lord Jesus Christ, i love you.

The New Testament is the Gospel of grace and truth, 'Glad Tiding' from above brought by Lord Jesus Christ, for those who are not born again and for those who are already born again church.

Ephesians 2:
20. And are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief Corner Stone;

It's the New Covenant GOD made with the Israelites first through Jesus Christ, where only a remnant of them saved under the election of grace.

Henceforth since majority of the Israelites have rejected and enemies of it, whilst not believing and receiving the Son, therefore the same New Covenant were made with the Gentiles as promised.

Scripturally is prophesied, for it is to cause jealousy among the Jews that now the Gentiles are worshiping their only true GOD.

So as Gentiles similar to the remnant then, both saved under the election of grace that day, to date we've got the Holy Bible as 'proof'.

Therefore the New Testament/Covenant/Agreement of GOD through Jesus Christ, we Gentile church have received, is the Gospel according to Matthew to the Revelation according to John.

Paul's given Gospel by Christ is in midst of it in 'addition' and in compilation, for the Jew and Gentile church saved under the election of grace.

For your deceived and twisted fall short gospel doctrine you preach, that the Jews have the 12 Apostles' gospel and the Gentiles have Paul's gospel, is to your own destruction and accursed.

Not too late, you can still come out of it and not wait another day, that which will not probably come.

This is a perfect reflection of saying there is just one big gospel, incoherence and confusion

 

[GodsGrace]

I dont know what you think the Noahic commandments are. God gave Noah instructions about the ark see post#648

God commanded not to eat blood....................[Gen 9:4 KJV] 4 But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

God made the rainbow covenant

It's called the Noahic Covenant.

Here are the Noahic commandments:



THE 7 LAWS



1 – Do not worship false gods

Acknowledge that there is only one G‑d who is Infinite and Supreme above all things. Do not replace
that Supreme Being with finite idols, be it yourself, or other beings. This command includes such acts as
prayer, study and meditation.

2 – Do not curse God.
Respect the Creator. As frustrated and angry as you may be, do not vent it by cursing your Maker.

3 – Do not murder.
Respect human life. Every human being is an entire world. To save a life is to save that entire world. To
destroy a life is to destroy an entire world. To help others live is a corollary of this principle.

4 – Do not be sexually immoral.
Respect the institution of marriage. Marriage is a most Divine act. The marriage of a man and a woman
is a reflection of the oneness of G‑d and His creation. Disloyalty in marriage is an assault on that
oneness.

5 – Do not steal.
Respect the rights and property of others. Be honest in all your business dealings. By relying on G‑d
rather than on our own conniving, we express our trust in Him as the Provider of Life.

6 – Do not eat a limb removed from a live animal.
Respect G‑d’s creatures. At first, Man was forbidden to consume meat. After the Great Flood, he was
permitted – but with a warning: Do not cause unnecessary suffering to any creature.

7 – Set up courts and bring offenders to justice.
Maintain justice. Justice is G‑d’s business, but we are given the charge to lay down necessary laws and
enforce them whenever we can. When we right the wrongs of society, we are acting as partners in the
act of sustaining the creation.

source: https://www.alephne.org/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/4557274/jewish/The-Seven-Laws-of-Noah.htm

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes there will be Gentiles who believed the preaching of the twelve and Gentiles who blessed Israel as seen in Matthew about the sheep and goat Gentile nations..................[Mat 25:31-34 KJV] 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Who are the goats?

 

[GodsGrace]

The kingdom will be offered again and the gospel of the kingdom preached again...................[Mat 24:14 KJV] 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Preached AGAIN?
It states that the Kingdom will be preached starting as of Jesus' time.

Matthew 24:14
14 "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

It is common knowledge that once the whole world knows about the gospel...
then the end will come.

 

[GodsGrace]

Here is what I wrote...............
Israel will be a blessing to the nations and lead them to God............[Isa 60:3 KJV] 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
[Isa 61:6 KJV] 6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: [men] shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
[Zec 8:23 KJV] 23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you.

These passages are yet future
Isiah 60:3 is about Israel. Israel has fallen now but this verse speaks of the rise of Israel...............[Isa 60:2 KJV] 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

Isaiah 61:6 is when believing Israel will be priests to the Gentiles in the kingdom

In Zec 8:23 the Gentiles in the kingdom will seek the Lord and be lead by believing Israel

Eschatology.
Sorry, I don't go there.

No concensus.

 

[Doug]

It's called the Noahic Covenant.

Here are the Noahic commandments:



THE 7 LAWS



1 – Do not worship false gods

Acknowledge that there is only one G‑d who is Infinite and Supreme above all things. Do not replace
that Supreme Being with finite idols, be it yourself, or other beings. This command includes such acts as
prayer, study and meditation.

2 – Do not curse God.
Respect the Creator. As frustrated and angry as you may be, do not vent it by cursing your Maker.

3 – Do not murder.
Respect human life. Every human being is an entire world. To save a life is to save that entire world. To
destroy a life is to destroy an entire world. To help others live is a corollary of this principle.

4 – Do not be sexually immoral.
Respect the institution of marriage. Marriage is a most Divine act. The marriage of a man and a woman
is a reflection of the oneness of G‑d and His creation. Disloyalty in marriage is an assault on that
oneness.

5 – Do not steal.
Respect the rights and property of others. Be honest in all your business dealings. By relying on G‑d
rather than on our own conniving, we express our trust in Him as the Provider of Life.

6 – Do not eat a limb removed from a live animal.
Respect G‑d’s creatures. At first, Man was forbidden to consume meat. After the Great Flood, he was
permitted – but with a warning: Do not cause unnecessary suffering to any creature.

7 – Set up courts and bring offenders to justice.
Maintain justice. Justice is G‑d’s business, but we are given the charge to lay down necessary laws and
enforce them whenever we can. When we right the wrongs of society, we are acting as partners in the
act of sustaining the creation.

source: https://www.alephne.org/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/4557274/jewish/The-Seven-Laws-of-Noah.htm

I will look into this but I said i will give you more of my points so I did want to give you this post of mine to further the discussion

MORE THAN ONE BIBLE GOSPEL​

 

[GodsGrace]

I will look into this but I said i will give you more of my points so I did want to give you this post of mine to further the discussion

MORE THAN ONE BIBLE GOSPEL​

I also will go thru the above but after dinner.
Some seem to think that Jesus taught differently than Paul.
We'll see.

 

[amigo de christo]

Who are the goats?

That goats are every man and woman
whether jew or gentile
that denied JESUS THE CHRIST .
and sadly even many in wool ALREADY DO as they DENY HIS WORDS
and sit under some ecumencial one who omits EVEN his own words .
NEED i remind us ITS HIGH time to get the heck out of any place
any church that is focused upon ecumenicism , cause if they aint bought the lie yet
they soon will . IF they have not taught the lie yet , THEY SOON WILL .
Goats eat on anything
but sheep feast ONLY upon the words of the LORD .