WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[Lambano]

Right.
Don't know too much about it except that they go by different periods of time.
It would have been nice to learn more about it, but I can't seem to do this with Doug.
No problem...no need to know about doctrine that is not even found in the bible.
Why do you think it's evil?

Dispensationalism is not a doctrine; it is a framework for interpreting the Bible. The underlying principle is that if the Church has replaced Israel, some of the OT promises to Israel cannot be fulfilled, making God an unfaithful liar. (Can't have that.) Thus, God will deal with Israel separately from how He deals with the Church. In this framework, Jesus's "Gospel of the Kingdom" is an earthly kingdom promised to Israel, where Paul's "Gospel" of forgiveness of sins and resurrection of the dead into a spiritual kingdom is promised to the Church. You have a "dispensation" for Israel and a "dispensation" for the Church. Some also have a dispensation of Innocence for Adam and Eve and a few other dispensations for other eras. You can look up John Nelson Darby and Cyrus Scofield for more information.

So, with that as the background, I'll talk about the question, "Why do you think it's evil?" One of the positive effects of Dispensationalism vs. Covenantal Replacement Theology is a better appreciation for Jews as still being God's people ("For God's gifts and calling are irrevocable"; Romans 11:29) and some mitigation of the virulent antisemitism that has plagued the Church throughout its history. On the evil side of the ledger, Dispensationalism is a form of Marcion's heresy that renders Jesus's earthly teaching obsolete, disconnects Paul from Jesus, and makes Jesus's entire life on earth as irrelevant except for His atoning death. It has also led to the development Premillenialist "Left Behind" eschatology and its obsessions, which many have testified has ruined their churches. And it has led in the US to an unwavering support for the modern state of Israel, even when it acts unrighteously.

 

[Doug]

OK
No problem.

I will give you my main point.
Scripture has to be rightly divided....................[2Ti 2:15 KJV] 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth................if we dont we wont be aligned with how God is working today.
Rightly dividing means to study scripture looking at who is speaking/who is being spoken to/what surrounding verses say/what other scripture says.
It must be acknowledged that there is prophecy and mystery in scripture. What is known in mystery cant be found in the law and prophets. Mystery is hidden in God until God reveals it.
God has a purpose for Israel/has a gospel for Israel/has an inheritance for Israel distinct from the body of Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

Care to tell me what your understanding of the kingdom is

ITS heavenly , NOT EARTHEN .
and Those who try and blend the two , TOTAL bad news .

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't understand his doctrine and he really can't explain it to me.
Apparently some teaching I'm not familiar with.

The commentaries....when they ALL AGREE,,,we should stop and study up on what the NT is saying and not what we THINK it's saying.

yea rather lets read and learn the bible and AGREE with them pure words of beauty .
For no matter if every single soul upon earth all agreed as one on something
does not make it true or false .
What makes it TRUE or a lie , IS DO IT AGREE WITH THE WORDS OF GOD or do it try and twist them .
Let this be our motto
Seek not to find what the many or even the few Approve .
SEEK RATHER GOD and what HE approves .
LET GOD be true but every man a liar . And Beleive me when i do say , HIS EVERY WORD IS T RUTH and
ought to be honored and loved , cherished and obeyed from THE HEART .
SO why is it so many twist such lovely and pure WORDS that G OD inspired
WE OWE HIM ALL . we do not owe him The casting away OF HIS OWN WORDS . and tis about high time
this generation learns that . GOD , HIS CHRIST , TO HE WE OWE EVERYTHING

 

[Doug]

Right.
Don't know too much about it except that they go by different periods of time.
It would have been nice to learn more about it, but I can't seem to do this with Doug.
No problem...no need to know about doctrine that is not even found in the bible.
Why do you think it's evil?

I will be more than happy to explain any questions you have; it just has to be more specific for me to do so.

Now about dispensationalism. There is a lot of resistance and misinformation about it. Also remember there are preachers and teachers that can be wrong about something.

First of all, dispensationalism is not just about periods of time, in that dispensational periods can overlap. It is about how God deals with us and what God is doing at different times. I think as far as time frames, there is times past/ times now/ times to come. God dealt differently with us in times past.

Gods doesn't give us everything we need to know all at once; he reveals knowledge to us progressively. What God tells us has to be believed. What God commands us has to be obeyed.

Dispensationalism divides old testament Israel from new testament Israel from the body of Christ. It doesn't lump them all together.

God made covenant with Israel in the old testament and gave instructions to conduct sacrifices and behavioral and civil conduct. God only made covenants with Israel and gave only Israel the law.

The new testament dispensation is different in that God sent his Son into the world to shed his blood for the new testament which fulfills the shadow of animal sacrifices. Jesus formed the new testament church in which, for eternal life, Israel only had to believe on the name of Jesus, that he was their Messiah, the Son of God. Jesus and the apostles preached the gospel of the kingdom. God promised believing Israel a kingdom on earth. Jesus taught about this kingdom through the four gospels. Israel had to keep the law to enter this kingdom.

Jesus revealed the body of Christ to Paul in this dispensation. The body has a lot of distinct features such as Jew and Gentile are one that separates it from the church of the new testament. Tis dispensation revealed all the cross accomplished for forgiveness for all, apart from having to go thru Israel for salvation, apart from the law, and apart from covenant. God did not appoint the body of Christ a kingdom on earth, but a heavenly dwelling place.

In time to come dispensation all things in heaven and earth will be gathered together in Christ.

Dispensationalism recognizes that God gave us in this dispensation our gospel of Christ to be believed for our salvation, and revealed to Paul our instructions and commandments.

As far as the comments...........Dispensationalism if taught correctly does not say the church replaces Israel........dispensationalism acknowledges that Israel has temporarily fallen and set aside and will be restored in the Davidic earthly kingdom.............dispensationalism acknowledges that only the body of Christ will be raptured and the tribulation is determined only for Israel to separate believing and unbelieving Israel to enter their earthly kingdom

Glad to answer any questions

 

[Doug]

No problem...no need to know about doctrine that is not even found in the bible.

Just to be clear dispensation is in the Bible
[1Co 9:17 KJV] 17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.
[Eph 1:10 KJV] 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:
[Eph 3:2 KJV] 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
[Col 1:25 KJV] 25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

And let me ask you......did you change your mind after what I showed you. All definitions describe a fold only as far as sheep goes to be a pen

 

[GodsGrace]

Care to tell me what your understanding of the kingdom is

Yes, of course.

The NT speaks of two Kingdoms..
one is the Kingdom of heaven and the other is the Kingdom of God.
Sometimes these are used interchangeably but usually the Kingdom of heaven refers to heaven
and the Kingdom of God refers to the Kingdom that Jesus meant to set up right here on earth.

The Kingdom of God here is a spiritual Kingdom but one that could also make lives better if people would follow the teachings of Jesus. He taught that we are to love our neigbors because if we loved them all the commandments would automatically be obeyed and this would create a better life for everyone. In order to belong to this Kingdom, we must be born from above as Jesus stated in John 3:3,5...if we are not born from above,,,we cannot "see" this Kingdom.

Jesus also taught of a future Kingdom...at the end of the world...when God would reign and all evil will cease to exist.

The Kingdom of heaven, instead, was taught in the sense that it is worth our work to be in heaven...like the parables in Matthew 13....the Kingdom of heaven is a treasure worth seeking and/or working for.

I find it very important to understand the Kingdom here and right now.
Jesus didn't only atone for our sins...
He also wanted to make life more abundant for us.

 

[Doug]

The NT speaks of two Kingdoms..
one is the Kingdom of heaven and the other is the Kingdom of God.
Sometimes these are used interchangeably but usually the Kingdom of heaven refers to heaven
and the Kingdom of God refers to the Kingdom that Jesus meant to set up right here on earth.

Yes there are two kingdoms, one on earth and one in heaven. Yes the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God can mean the same thing which is the prophetic kingdom on earth in which Christ will reign on David's throne from Jerusalem along with believing Israel for a thousand years. Matthew calls it the kingdom of heaven and Mark and John use kingdom of God.
The kingdom of God is also a general term to convey God's procession of heaven and earth

 

[Doug]

The Kingdom of God here is a spiritual Kingdom but one that could also make lives better if people would follow the teachings of Jesus. He taught that we are to love our neigbors because if we loved them all the commandments would automatically be obeyed and this would create a better life for everyone. In order to belong to this Kingdom, we must be born from above as Jesus stated in John 3:3,5...if we are not born from above,,,we cannot "see" this Kingdom.

I dont see scripture talking about a spiritual kingdom but we can be spiritual. Yes God gave us scripture for our protection and betterment. To have life now.
You can disagree but John was saying Israel had to be born again. Israel was God's first born ...................[Exo 4:22 KJV] 22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel [is] my son, [even] my firstborn:..............physical decendants of Israel would not see the kingdom, only believing Israel would inherit the kingdom

We arent born again (yes, it's a popular term) but we are justified unto eternal life by believing the gospel that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification

 

[Doug]

Jesus also taught of a future Kingdom...at the end of the world...when God would reign and all evil will cease to exist.

right

 

[Doug]

The Kingdom of heaven, instead, was taught in the sense that it is worth our work to be in heaven...like the parables in Matthew 13....the Kingdom of heaven is a treasure worth seeking and/or working for.

The kingdom of heaven isnt the heavenly kingdom Paul speaks of, it is the earth;y Davidic kingdom on earth inherited by Israel NOT US. To enter the kingdom on earth Israel had to be faithful/endure til the end of the tribulation/not take the mark of the antichrist/keep the law/be righteous
We dont do any works to be granted eternal life. It is a gift given freely to those who believe that by his blood we are forgiven all trespasses. We just believe he died for our sins in our place for payment and he rose to declare us righteous by being given his righteousness.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, of course.

The NT speaks of two Kingdoms..
one is the Kingdom of heaven and the other is the Kingdom of God.
Sometimes these are used interchangeably but usually the Kingdom of heaven refers to heaven
and the Kingdom of God refers to the Kingdom that Jesus meant to set up right here on earth.

The Kingdom of God here is a spiritual Kingdom but one that could also make lives better if people would follow the teachings of Jesus. He taught that we are to love our neigbors because if we loved them all the commandments would automatically be obeyed and this would create a better life for everyone. In order to belong to this Kingdom, we must be born from above as Jesus stated in John 3:3,5...if we are not born from above,,,we cannot "see" this Kingdom.

Jesus also taught of a future Kingdom...at the end of the world...when God would reign and all evil will cease to exist.

The Kingdom of heaven, instead, was taught in the sense that it is worth our work to be in heaven...like the parables in Matthew 13....the Kingdom of heaven is a treasure worth seeking and/or working for.

I find it very important to understand the Kingdom here and right now.
Jesus didn't only atone for our sins...
He also wanted to make life more abundant for us.

The Kingdom of heaven . WHO IS THE KING OF THAT . GOD IS , CHRIST IS .
so allow me to correct .
and to sum it up . The KINGDOM of heaven IS THE SAME KINGDOM OF GOD that WILL INDEED
be set up ON earth . But not by men of the nar realm , not by men of the RCC
No, this kingdom , for now is above and within us by the SPIRIT but one day
AFTER HIS COMING , will be estab lished on earth . BUT dont expect to see budda , hindus , muslims
new age and scores of inclusive o thers ones in it . THEY s hall be wailing in darkness .
Just a friendly , YES grave , BUT OH SO NECESSARY reminder to this ECUMENICAL harlot led generation .

 

[amigo de christo]

The kingdom of heaven isnt the heavenly kingdom Paul speaks of, it is the earth;y Davidic kingdom on earth inherited by Israel NOT US. To enter the kingdom on earth Israel had to be faithful/endure til the end of the tribulation/not take the mark of the antichrist/keep the law/be righteous
We dont do any works to be granted eternal life. It is a gift given freely to those who believe that by his blood we are forgiven all trespasses. We just believe he died for our sins in our place for payment and he rose to declare us righteous by being given his righteousness.

The nar realm and its mother RCC upon who it works for now through interfaith
WILL be burned alive on the day of the LORD .
The only kingdom they serve is the one of darkness . May that sink in real deep .
IN fact , SO DEEP , yes let it be engrained so deep upon they heart and on thy mind
that if you were to get chest pain and go to the doctor and he examined thine heart
HE would see it etched upon it .
OR if you had severe head aches and went for a brain scan , SO DEEPLY etched upon it
the very doctor looking at it would say , WOW he has the words FLEE NAR and RCC on his brain .

 

[GodsGrace]

Dispensationalism is not a doctrine; it is a framework for interpreting the Bible. The underlying principle is that if the Church has replaced Israel, some of the OT promises to Israel cannot be fulfilled, making God an unfaithful liar. (Can't have that.) Thus, God will deal with Israel separately from how He deals with the Church. In this framework, Jesus's "Gospel of the Kingdom" is an earthly kingdom promised to Israel, where Paul's "Gospel" of forgiveness of sins and resurrection of the dead into a spiritual kingdom is promised to the Church. You have a "dispensation" for Israel and a "dispensation" for the Church. Some also have a dispensation of Innocence for Adam and Eve and a few other dispensations for other eras. You can look up John Nelson Darby and Cyrus Scofield for more information.

So, with that as the background, I'll talk about the question, "Why do you think it's evil?" One of the positive effects of Dispensationalism vs. Covenantal Replacement Theology is a better appreciation for Jews as still being God's people ("For God's gifts and calling are irrevocable"; Romans 11:29) and some mitigation on the virulent antisemitism that has plagued the Church throughout its history. On the evil side of the ledger, Dispensationalism is a form of Marcion's heresy that renders Jesus's earthly teaching obsolete, disconnects Paul from Jesus, and makes Jesus's entire life on earth as irrelevant except for His atoning death. It has also led to the development Premillenialist "Left Behind" eschatology and its obsessions, which many have testified has ruined their churches. And it has led in the US to an unwavering support for the modern state of Israel, even when it acts unrighteously.

Dispensationalism is not a doctrine; it is a framework for interpreting the Bible. The underlying principle is that if the Church has replaced Israel, some of the OT promises to Israel cannot be fulfilled, making God an unfaithful liar. (Can't have that.) Thus, God will deal with Israel separately from how He deals with the Church. In this framework, Jesus's "Gospel of the Kingdom" is an earthly kingdom promised to Israel, where Paul's "Gospel" of forgiveness of sins and resurrection of the dead into a spiritual kingdom is promised to the Church.

I DO believe that Jesus meant for there to be a spiritual Kingdom here and now.
His teachings were meant to create a better life for manking in general -IF His teachings were followed.
I'd say this is commonly found in all religions/gods.

But NOW,,,not only at the resurrection.
When the New Jerusalem will be established...
the New Kingdom on earth with God as the head.

You have a "dispensation" for Israel and a "dispensation" for the Church. Some also have a dispensation of Innocence for Adam and Eve and a few other dispensations for other eras. You can look up John Nelson Darby and Cyrus Scofield for more information.

I've started listening to YouTube. I dislike learning this way but will not be able to do any better at this point in life.
It took me years to learn the reformed/calvinist faith and this effort will no longer be possible...just too much to absorb.

I've realized that it's much more complicated than I first believed - as usual, there's too much to know to really debate this with any amount of intgelligence.

I have no respect for Scofield and I know Darby from the teaching of the rapture - which I believe is found nowhere in the NT.

So, with that as the background, I'll talk about the question, "Why do you think it's evil?" One of the positive effects of Dispensationalism vs. Covenantal Replacement Theology is a better appreciation for Jews as still being God's people ("For God's gifts and calling are irrevocable"; Romans 11:29) and some mitigation on the virulent antisemitism that has plagued the Church throughout its history.

I've learned from 3 different denominations...one does not speak about the Jews. (Catholic).
The other two taught that the Jews are the backbone of Christianity and are to be respected.
(Nazarene, AofG)

So I'm a little surprised by your comment...however I've been living here a long time now and cannot say that I'm still in touch with what's going on over there.

On the evil side of the ledger, Dispensationalism is a form of Marcion's heresy that renders Jesus's earthly teaching obsolete, disconnects Paul from Jesus, and makes Jesus's entire life on earth as irrelevant except for His atoning death. It has also led to the development Premillenialist "Left Behind" eschatology and its obsessions, which many have testified has ruined their churches. And it has led in the US to an unwavering support for the modern state of Israel, even when it acts unrighteously.

Whew!
OK on the first part...definitely not what the NT teaches.

I DO believe Israel should be supported. It's surrounded by terrorist enemies on all sides and we'd desire the same if our country were in that condition. But let's not get into politics because all governments are wrong at one time or another.

Thanks for your good reply Lambano.
(will still be listening to more on YT,,,but just for my interest).

 

[GodsGrace]

I will be more than happy to explain any questions you have; it just has to be more specific for me to do so.

Now about dispensationalism. There is a lot of resistance and misinformation about it. Also remember there are preachers and teachers that can be wrong about something.

First of all, dispensationalism is not just about periods of time, in that dispensational periods can overlap. It is about how God deals with us and what God is doing at different times. I think as far as time frames, there is times past/ times now/ times to come. God dealt differently with us in times past.

It sounds right.
Which is why it takes a long time to learn about a biblical concept.
If it were this simple,,,all Christians would agree on this and they do not.

I do believe that revelation is gradual and as needed.
And, certainly, the Mosaic Covenant is different than the New Covenant,,
but I've come to understand that you do not believe in covenant theology.

Gods doesn't give us everything we need to know all at once; he reveals knowledge to us progressively. What God tells us has to be believed. What God commands us has to be obeyed.

God has always wanted faith in Him and obedience.

The rest is very cultural and worked for those times, as you've stated and to which I agree.
The bible began to be written about 4 thousand years ago. Certainly much has changed.

Faith and obedience were always part of the plan.

Dispensationalism divides old testament Israel from new testament Israel from the body of Christ. It doesn't lump them all together.

I could maybe agree with the OT being different than the NT - culturally... The NT created a new culture.

However, I could not agree that the NT separates Israel from the Body of Christ.
I don't even understand what you mean by this.

One is not Israel who is born in Isreal.
Again.. we are speaking of faith and obedience.

What changes?
What Jeremiah spoke of...we will each know...the law in the heart.
what Ezekiel stated about God being the shepherd.

The Holy Spirit did not INDWELL the OT believers...
now He does but this is due to the NC - which is available to all.
Grafting in.

God made covenant with Israel in the old testament and gave instructions to conduct sacrifices and behavioral and civil conduct. God only made covenants with Israel and gave only Israel the law.

I can't remember sacrifices being in any of the OT covenants.
As to civil conduct....some is the LAW OF MOSES....it can be debated that God commanded everything in the OT.
However, basically, you're correct as to covenants. I'd except the Abrahamic, but I'd rather not get too much into this.
The Adamic also should be excepted...

God, in some way, gave to all mankind the Law...Romans 2 re the conscience for all of mankind.

The new testament dispensation is different in that God sent his Son into the world to shed his blood for the new testament which fulfills the shadow of animal sacrifices. Jesus formed the new testament church in which, for eternal life, Israel only had to believe on the name of Jesus, that he was their Messiah, the Son of God. Jesus and the apostles preached the gospel of the kingdom. God promised believing Israel a kingdom on earth. Jesus taught about this kingdom through the four gospels. Israel had to keep the law to enter this kingdom.

Israel had to keep what LAW? (in order to enter into the Kingdom).
What do you mean by GOD PROMISED BELIEVING ISRAEL A KINGDOM ON EARTH.
Do you mean now?
At the end of time?

Jesus fulfills the Law.
Is this not a fulfillment of Jeremiah?
The Law is no longer external.
Jesus has COMPLETED the Law.

Jesus revealed the body of Christ to Paul in this dispensation. The body has a lot of distinct features such as Jew and Gentile are one that separates it from the church of the new testament. Tis dispensation revealed all the cross accomplished for forgiveness for all, apart from having to go thru Israel for salvation, apart from the law, and apart from covenant. God did not appoint the body of Christ a kingdom on earth, but a heavenly dwelling place.

?? The Body of Christ is composed of believers in Him.
This IS the church of the NT.
Correct..no need to go through Israel.

Paul preached about this in Romans 9, 10 and 11.
But it was always in God's plan....Abrahamic Covenant.

In time to come dispensation all things in heaven and earth will be gathered together in Christ.

Dispensationalism recognizes that God gave us in this dispensation our gospel of Christ to be believed for our salvation, and revealed to Paul our instructions and commandments.

You make it sound so simple!
It can't be this simple.

As far as the comments...........Dispensationalism if taught correctly does not say the church replaces Israel........dispensationalism acknowledges that Israel has temporarily fallen and set aside and will be restored in the Davidic earthly kingdom.............dispensationalism acknowledges that only the body of Christ will be raptured and the tribulation is determined only for Israel to separate believing and unbelieving Israel to enter their earthly kingdom

Glad to answer any questions

The Davidic earthly Kingdom....
The rapture....

just too much to get into Doug.

 

[GodsGrace]

Just to be clear dispensation is in the Bible
[1Co 9:17 KJV] 17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.

The word DISPENSATION is found only in a couple of versions.
All other versions use the word STEWARDSHIP,,or being entrusted with the gospel.
Note the context...it's speaking about the gospel.

1 Corinthians 9:14-18
14 So also the Lord directed those who proclaim the gospel to get their living from the gospel.
15 But I have used none of these things. And I am not writing these things so that it will be done so in my case; for it would be better * for me to die than have any man make my boast an empty one.
16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not preach the gospel.
17 For if I do this voluntarily, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.
18 What then is my reward? That, when I preach the gospel, I may offer the gospel without charge, so as not to make full use of my right in the gospel.



New International Version
If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me.

New Living Translation
If I were doing this on my own initiative, I would deserve payment. But I have no choice, for God has given me this sacred trust.

English Standard Version
For if I do this of my own will, I have a reward, but if not of my own will, I am still entrusted with a stewardship.

Berean Standard Bible
If my preaching is voluntary, I have a reward. But if it is not voluntary, I am still entrusted with a responsibility.

Berean Literal Bible
For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if unwillingly, I am entrusted with a stewardship.

King James Bible
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

New King James Version
For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have been entrusted with a stewardship.

New American Standard Bible
For if I do this voluntarily, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have been entrusted with a commission nonetheless.

NASB 1995
For if I do this voluntarily, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.

NASB 1977
For if I do this voluntarily, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.

Legacy Standard Bible
For if I do this voluntarily, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.

Amplified Bible
For if I do this work of my own free will, then I have a reward; but if it is not of my will [but by God’s choosing], I have been entrusted with a [sacred] stewardship.

Christian Standard Bible
For if I do this willingly, I have a reward, but if unwillingly, I am entrusted with a commission.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For if I do this willingly, I have a reward, but if unwillingly, I am entrusted with a stewardship.

American Standard Version
For if I do this of mine own will, I have a reward: but if not of mine own will, I have a stewardship intrusted to me.

Contemporary English Version
If I preach because I want to, I will be paid. But even if I don't want to, it is still something God has sent me to do.


page 1 of 2

 

[GodsGrace]

@Doug

page 2 of 2

English Revised Version
For if I do this of mine own will, I have a reward: but if not of mine own will, I have a stewardship intrusted to me.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
If I spread the Good News willingly, I'll have a reward. But if I spread the Good News unwillingly, I'm [only] doing what I've been entrusted to do.

Good News Translation
If I did my work as a matter of free choice, then I could expect to be paid; but I do it as a matter of duty, because God has entrusted me with this task.

International Standard Version
For if I preach voluntarily, I get a reward, but if I am unwilling to do it, I am still entrusted with that obligation.

NET Bible
For if I do this voluntarily, I have a reward. But if I do it unwillingly, I am entrusted with a responsibility.

New Heart English Bible
For if I do this of my own will, I have a reward. But if not of my own will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.

Webster's Bible Translation
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed to me.

Weymouth New Testament
And if I preach willingly, I receive my wages; but if against my will, a stewardship has nevertheless been entrusted to me.
Majority Text Translations
Majority Standard Bible
If my preaching is voluntary, I have a reward. But if it is not voluntary, I am still entrusted with a responsibility.

World English Bible
For if I do this of my own will, I have a reward. But if not of my own will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.
Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
for if I do this willingly, I have a reward; and if unwillingly—I have been entrusted with a stewardship!

Berean Literal Bible
For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if unwillingly, I am entrusted with a stewardship.

Young's Literal Translation
for if willing I do this, I have a reward; and if unwillingly -- with a stewardship I have been entrusted!

Smith's Literal Translation
For if of free will I do this, I have reward: and if unwillingly, I have been entrusted with a stewardship.
Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation is committed to me:

Catholic Public Domain Version
For if I do this willingly, I have a reward. But if I do this reluctantly, a dispensation is granted to me.

New American Bible
If I do so willingly, I have a recompense, but if unwillingly, then I have been entrusted with a stewardship.

New Revised Standard Version
For if I do this of my own will, I have a reward; but if not of my own will, I am entrusted with a commission.
Translations from Aramaic
Lamsa Bible
For if I do this thing willingly, I have my reward: but if against my will, it is like a stewardship intrusted to me.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For if I do this with my pleasure, I have a reward, but if without my pleasure, I am entrusted with a stewardship.
NT Translations
Anderson New Testament
For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if unwillingly, an apostolic stewardship has been intrusted to me.

Godbey New Testament
For if I do this willingly, I have a reward: but if unwillingly, I have been intrusted with a dispensation.

Haweis New Testament
For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if unwillingly, I am entrusted with the dispensation of it.

Mace New Testament
now if I do this willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, it is a dispensation of trust which must be discharged.

Weymouth New Testament
And if I preach willingly, I receive my wages; but if against my will, a stewardship has nevertheless been entrusted to me.

Worrell New Testament
For, if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but, if unwillingly, I have been entrusted with a stewardship.

Worsley New Testament
Now if I do this willingly, I have a reward; and if unwillingly, yet I am intrusted with the commission, and I must execute it.

[Eph 1:10 KJV] 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:

No talk of dispensational theology.
The KJV uses very old language which could be misleading.

[Eph 3:2 KJV] 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
[Col 1:25 KJV] 25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Am not looking up these two...probably the same outcome.

And let me ask you......did you change your mind after what I showed you. All definitions describe a fold only as far as sheep goes to be a pen

I agree.
My point is that Jesus stated He had sheep FROM ANOTHER fold that had to be added to THE fold.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes there are two kingdoms, one on earth and one in heaven. Yes the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God can mean the same thing which is the prophetic kingdom on earth in which Christ will reign on David's throne from Jerusalem along with believing Israel for a thousand years. Matthew calls it the kingdom of heaven and Mark and John use kingdom of God.
The kingdom of God is also a general term to convey God's procession of heaven and earth

Good we agree on this.
Except that Jesus fulfills the Kingdom of David but in a spiritual sense.
Re the thousand years reign...it's from Revelation and I've said I do not know about eschatology and do not wish to begin learning about something that is not understood to be the same by mianline Christianity.

 

[GodsGrace]

I dont see scripture talking about a spiritual kingdom but we can be spiritual. Yes God gave us scripture for our protection and betterment. To have life now.
You can disagree but John was saying Israel had to be born again. Israel was God's first born ...................[Exo 4:22 KJV] 22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel [is] my son, [even] my firstborn:..............physical decendants of Israel would not see the kingdom, only believing Israel would inherit the kingdom

We arent born again (yes, it's a popular term) but we are justified unto eternal life by believing the gospel that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification

Agreed.
Israel was called God's son.
Physical descendants means nothing to God.
I believe I stated this in a previous post to you or maybe another member.
Only believers will inherit the Kingdom of heaven.
And we are justified by believing the gospel.

 

[GodsGrace]

The kingdom of heaven isnt the heavenly kingdom Paul speaks of, it is the earth;y Davidic kingdom on earth inherited by Israel NOT US. To enter the kingdom on earth Israel had to be faithful/endure til the end of the tribulation/not take the mark of the antichrist/keep the law/be righteous
We dont do any works to be granted eternal life. It is a gift given freely to those who believe that by his blood we are forgiven all trespasses. We just believe he died for our sins in our place for payment and he rose to declare us righteous by being given his righteousness.

OK on paragraph 2.

Re the Kingdom Paul preached...it's the same as the Kingdom preached by Jesus.
Instead of going through scripture (which is what usually do)...I'll link the attached instead.

Why?
Because I'm not certain we're speaking of the same Kingdom...it seemed as though we were...
not so sure now. I THINK it makes a difference ....



The figure who does the most preaching about the kingdom of God, though, is Paul. In Acts 14:21-22, he returns to various cities that he had visited in his first missionary journey and seeks to strengthen and encourage them “by telling them, ‘It is necessary to go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God.’” Later on in the city of Corinth, “he spoke boldly over a period of three months, arguing and persuading them about the kingdom of God” (Acts 19:8).

The importance of the kingdom in Paul’s message is apparent in Paul’s farewell address to the Ephesian elders in Acts 20, as he describes his ministry among them as going “about preaching the kingdom” (Acts 20:25). The book of Acts ends with Paul in a Roman prison, awaiting trial – and proclaiming the kingdom of God: “From dawn to dusk he expounded and testified about the kingdom of God” (Acts 28:23); “he welcomed all who visited him, proclaiming the kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ with all boldness and without hindrance” (Acts 28:30-31).

Therefore, the book of Acts shows the message that Paul preached was the very same message that Jesus preached. Of course, one could argue that the author of the book of Acts was trying to link Paul and Jesus and thus described their message in the same way. If this was the case, though, then one would not expect to find any or many references to the kingdom of God in the letters that we have that Paul wrote. However, when one looks to Paul’s writings, one finds a number of references to the kingdom of God.

Paul’s Words of the Kingdom of God in His Letters
References to the kingdom of God are not confined to only one or two of the thirteen letters from Paul that we have in the New Testament. Rather, the majority of the letters have a reference to the kingdom of God.

In a number of places, Paul talks about those who are excluded from the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:21 notes that those who practice the various “works of the flesh” described in the preceding verses “will not inherit the kingdom.” Paul’s words here are not the first time that he has said this, as he notes that he warned them about it before. This would not be the last time Paul discusses the various practices that lead to exclusion from the kingdom of God, as he says in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 “that the unrighteous will not inherit God’s kingdom” and describes these unrighteous individuals who will not inherit God’s kingdom as “ sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, or males who have sex with males” and “thieves, greedy people, drunkards, verbally abusive people, or swindlers” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). Ephesians 5:5 says something similar, noting that “every sexually immoral or impure or greedy person, who is an idolater, does not have an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.”

source: The Apostle Paul's Teachings on the Kingdom of God | Faith Church