Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Big Boy Johnson]

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

Doing this is a good work... something the Lord cannot do for us

This is one of the good works God has ordained that all people walk in Ephesians 2:10

God commands all men every where to repent - Acts 17:30
By the grace of God Jesus tasted death for every man - Hebrews 2:9

After all, John 3:16 tells us "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"

 

[CTK]

From the first pages, God treats people as real choosers. To Cain He speaks like a Father at the doorway: “If you do well, won’t you be accepted? If you don’t… sin is crouching… but you must rule over it” (Genesis 4:6–7). The generation of Noah heard warning and watched an ark grow plank by plank; judgment came not because they couldn’t choose God, but because they wouldn’t (Genesis 6:5; 7:1). Israel hears the same music in a different key: “I have set before you life and death… therefore choose life” (Deuteronomy 30:19). Joshua echoes it at Shechem: “Choose this day whom you will serve” (Joshua 24:15).

When God anoints Saul, it is genuine invitation and real responsibility. Saul’s story isn’t of a man predestined to fall, but of a king who refused the voice he once obeyed; “to obey is better than sacrifice,” Samuel pleads, and the kingdom is torn from him (1 Samuel 15:22–23, 28). At Sinai, a people rescued by grace melt down grace into a calf; about three thousand fall because they traded the living God for a glittering lie (Exodus 32:1–6, 25–28). Later, the ten northern tribes choose altars of convenience over covenant faith, and exile is the fruit of their decision (1 Kings 12:26–30; 2 Kings 17:7–23). Through Ezekiel, God clarifies the principle that runs under every story: “The soul who sins shall die… turn and live!” (Ezekiel 18:4, 23, 32).

Jesus does not change this God; He reveals Him. He invites—and warns—like the prophets and more. “Enter by the narrow gate” (Matthew 7:13–14). “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord’ and not do what I say?” (Luke 6:46). In His parable of the soils, some receive the word “with joy,” but in time of testing fall away; others are choked by cares and pleasures (Luke 8:13–14). The point is not that seed never sprouted, but that life must be kept in good soil. So He sums it up in one abiding word: “Remain in me” (John 15:4). “If anyone does not remain in me,” Jesus says soberly, “he is thrown away like a branch and withers” (John 15:6). The call is ongoing trust and obedience, not a one-and-done moment.

The apostles carry the same melody. Peter warns of those who “escape the defilements of the world through the knowledge of… Jesus Christ,” yet get entangled again—their last state worse than the first (2 Peter 2:20–22). Paul disciplines himself “lest… I should be disqualified” (1 Corinthians 9:27), urges believers to “continue in the faith, firmly established” (Colossians 1:23), and says plainly that some can be “severed from Christ… fallen from grace” if they depart to another trust (Galatians 5:4). Hebrews speaks both comfort and caution: “Exhort one another… that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm to the end” (Hebrews 3:13–14; see also 6:4–6; 10:26–29). And the risen Jesus walks among His churches, commending, correcting, warning, and promising life “to the one who overcomes” (Revelation 2–3).

None of this cancel’s grace. It clarifies grace. Salvation is God’s gift, birthed by His mercy; the Spirit seals, empowers, and leads. But the same Spirit says, “Do not grieve” (Ephesians 4:30). The Shepherd lays us on His shoulders—and also says, “Follow me.” The God of Eden is the God of the New Jerusalem: He sets life before us and dignifies us with a real response. When we stumble, He welcomes prodigals’ home (Luke 15:20–24). When we harden, He warns because He loves. When we abide, He keeps us—and we keep to Him (Jude 21, 24).

So we say to our generation what Moses, Joshua, the prophets, Jesus, and the apostles all said in one voice: Keep choosing Him. Don’t depart from the Spirit you’ve received; don’t trade your birthright for any bowl set before you. “Hold fast what you have, so that no one may take your crown” (Revelation 3:11). The Father has always honored a willing heart but the choice is ours, not only to accept but to remain in Him.

 

[JLB]

Doing this is a good work... something the Lord cannot do for us

Confessing with our mouth Jesus as Lord is how we obey the Gospel command to repent.

This is required for an unsaved person to become saved.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well in you rmind, any sect that disagrees with Rome, is heretical. but yes some of those sects had heretical beliefs. all sects do simply because churches are in habited by people.

Not Christ’s Church, whom He leads to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).

and so? The church was not known as the "catholic church" in many circles. It was merely christians or followers of Jesus.

What are you talking about?? I just showed you a 2nd century document where the Church WAS called “The Catholic Church”.

These Early Church Fathers in the 1st and 2nd centuries wrote about the Eucharist, the Mass and the Catholic Church . . .

Irenaeus
The Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said (Against Heresies 1:10 [A.D. 189]).

Tertullian
Where was Marcion then, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus then, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago – in the reign of Antoninus for the most part – and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus (Pope from 74-189 AD) (On the Prescription Against Heretics 22,30 [A.D.195])

The Didache
Assemble on the Lord’s Day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist: but first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one. Anyone who has a difference with his fellow is not to take part with you until he has been reconciled, so as to avoid any profanation of your sacrifice [Matt. 5:23—24]. [Mal. 1:11, 14] (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

Ignatius of Antioch
Make certain, therefore, that you all observe one common Eucharist; for there is but one body of our Lord Jesus Christ, and but one cup of union with his blood, and one single altar of sacrifice —even as there is also but one bishop, with his clergy and my own fellow servitors, the deacons. This will ensure that all your doings are in full accord with the will of God (Letter to the Philadelphians 4 [A.D. 110]).

Here, Justine Martyr describes the SAME basic outline of the Mass that Catholics celebrate today:
a. Liturgy of the Word
b. Liturgy of the Eucharist
c. Communion
Justine Martyr
“And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together in one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we said before, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgiving, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each” . . . (§67).

“For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh “(First Apology 66 [A.D. 151]).

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Confessing with our mouth Jesus as Lord is how we obey the Gospel command to repent.

This is required for an unsaved person to become saved.

Yes, and doing this is a good work... something the Lord cannot do for us

And you forgot to mention that repenting means to not only change one's mind about sin but also means STOPPING LIVING IN SIN, or as the old timers used to say "admit it and quit it"

In the churches today they claim one can simply confess Jesus as their Lord but they never teach one should stop living in sin and so everyone still engages in sinful behavior because after all they are falsely taught that "you can never ever lose your salvation"

This is why if Christianity ever became illegal there won't be enough evidence to get a conviction on most "christians" today

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well there are others that show more than just a casual connection. but show me some of th is debunking.

Glad I could bring humor to your day.

- He conflates the legendary Ninus and Semiramis by incorrectly identifying them with the Biblical Nimrod.

- He incorrectly states that Tammuz was the child of Ninus and Semiramis.

- His claim that “Easter” comes from the pagan goddess “Ishtar” is nonsense. Easter is an English work for the celebration of the Resurrection. in all of he Latin and Middleeastern languages - the word sounds NOTHING like "Easter".

Byzantine Christians use the Greek term "Pascha", a transliteration of the Hebrew word "Pesach", or Passover. The Italianswsay "Pasqua", the Spanish say "Pascua", while the French "Paques".
In ANY case - it has nothing to do with Ishtar . . .

I can go on but that would take an entire thread.
Like I said, look up his former follower, Ralph Woodward and his book debunking all of Hislop's shoddy work called, The Babylon Connection?.

No because jesus is God. Mary is just another sinner saved by grace.

Mary was indeed saved by grace – at her conception.
But, she was NO sinner . . .

Why did not the first century church exalt Mary as Queen of heaven or a perpetual virgin when the plain reading of Scripture debunks that claim.

Why didn’t the first century Church teach the false noon-Catholic beliefs of OSAS, Sola Scriptura and Infant “Dedications”?

And I’ve read the Bible several times and have YET to see it “debunk” any Catholic teaching . . .

Also all the romanist claims for Mary do not appear in Scripture (except through twisting verses and allegorizing scriptures like the easterngate and the ark of the covenant).

The Catholic claims about Mary are either explicitly or implicitly taught.
I don’t know what a “Romanist” is. What do they believe??

If Mary was the important, you would think that god would have let teh inspired writers of Sacred Scripture write on it. But after Acts 2 Mary becomes invisible! For the focus is Jesus as Mediator and not Mary as co-Mediattrix.

Why do you suppose John 2 starts with:

John 2:1
On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding.

If she’s "not important“ - WHY was it so important to mention her FIRST - even before Jesus??

 

[JLB]

In the churches today they claim one can simply confess Jesus as their Lord but they never teach one should stop living in sin and so everyone still engages in sinful behavior because after all they are falsely taught that "you can never ever lose your salvation"

Yes this is true.

I believe it is a doctrine that Paul spoke of in the last days.

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons 1 Timothy 4:1

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Not Christ’s Church, whom He leads to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).

And no church is not in perfect truth yet.

What are you talking about?? I just showed you a 2nd century document where the Church WAS called “The Catholic Church”.

Actually it was known as theCATHOLIC CHURCH! uncials were all caps!

Tertullian
Where was Marcion then, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus then, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago – in the reign of Antoninus for the most part – and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus (Pope from 74-189 AD) (On the Prescription Against Heretics 22,30 [A.D.195])

Wow a pope reigned for 122 years!

Well you need to check Tertullians error!

Peter is not the Rock upon which the church is built. Jesus is the rock and the proclamation of Peter that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the most high!

For your homework look up the passage and see that Peter is called a stone while His declaration of Jesus is a ledge or huge stone!

He conflates the legendary Ninus and Semiramis by incorrectly identifying them with the Biblical Nimrod.

- He incorrectly states that Tammuz was the child of Ninus and Semiramis.

Take it up with eusebius- he said the same thing.

Byzantine Christians use the Greek term "Pascha", a transliteration of the Hebrew word "Pesach", or Passover. The Italianswsay "Pasqua", the Spanish say "Pascua", while the French "Paques".
In ANY case - it has nothing to do with Ishtar . . .

Where Does the Word Easter Come From? 5 Fascinating Facts -

Did you ever stop to wonder about the origins of the word “Easter”? It’s fascinating how a simple term encapsulates centuries of traditions, culture, and

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But everything to do with paganism.

Mary was indeed saved by grace – at her conception.
But, she was NO sinner . .

And there is no empirical biblical evidence for that. Just Romanist conjecture and reinterpretation of Scripture.

Why didn’t the first century Church teach the false noon-Catholic beliefs of OSAS, Sola Scriptura and Infant “Dedications”?

And I’ve read the Bible several times and have YET to see it “debunk” any Catholic teaching . . .

Well it di dnot teach infant baptism, it did teach OSAS, and Sola Scriptura, though that title is not used is most definitely the standard for establishing doctrine and godly instruction as I educated you before.

The Catholic claims about Mary are either explicitly or implicitly taught.
I don’t know what a “Romanist” is. What do they believe??

They are iimplied through allegorical reinterpretations of Scripture and a Romanist is one who adhers to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church aqs I educated you before.

Why do you suppose John 2 starts with:

John 2:1
On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding.

If she’s "not important“ - WHY was it so important to mention her FIRST - even before Jesus??

I never said Mary is not important. And I do not believe there is any hidden secret meaning to her being first mentioned. MOst likely because MAry was the focus of asking Jesus to do the miracle.

But let me ask you a question.

If Mary is so high up in heaven and in Catholic Dogma why did Jesus say this:

31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.

32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

So if Jesus' "brethren" were cousins, that would mean Jesus was saying that if we obey HIm, we are cousins according to Rome

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Yes this is true.

I believe it is a doctrine that Paul spoke of in the last days.

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons 1 Timothy 4:1

Yep, lots of folks out in the world living like the devil that claim to be Christians.

 

[Christian Soldier]

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9


Do you believe a unsaved person must confess Jesus as Lord to become saved?

The only people who are saved are the elect of God, you know, those whom God chose to save and write their names in His book of life, before He created the earth.

So I believe that every single one of Gods elect, will confess Jesus (not must) as God doesn't use any force or hi pressure sales tactics to get converts.

The "if" at the beginning of Roans 10:9 is not a commandment, every one of Gods elect believes because we have been given the gift of faith before we made a public declaration of faith.

 

[JLB]

The only people who are saved are the elect of God,

Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
2 Timothy 2:10

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
2 Timothy 2:10

Notice the word "MAY"

Doesn't say they will obtain salvation, it says they might or may obtain salvation

 

[JLB]

Notice the word "MAY"

Doesn't say they will obtain salvation, it says they might or may obtain salvation

If they repent they will.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And no church is not in perfect truth yet.

Wrong.

a. The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
b. Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).
c. Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6).

Actually it was known as theCATHOLIC CHURCH! uncials were all caps!

Exactly – and it was a TITLE, not a description . . .

Wow a pope reigned for 122 years!
Well you need to check Tertullians error!

What "error"??

Peter is not the Rock upon which the church is built. Jesus is the rock and the proclamation of Peter that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the most high!

For your homework look up the passage and see that Peter is called a stone while His declaration of Jesus is a ledge or huge stone!

WOW – talk about willful Biblical ignorance . . .

Ever wonder why Paul refers to Peter as “Cephas” in his letters?? Cephas is a transliteration of the Aramaic word, “Kepha”, which means “ROCK”. It doesn’t mean “small stone” or “pebble”. There is only ONE word for rock in Aramaic.

Once again – you READ but you DON’T understand . . .

Take it up with eusebius- he said the same thing.

No he doesn’t. Hislop conflated the mythical Nimrod with the Biblical Nimrod. Eusebius didn’t.

Hislop’s book The Two Babylons is on of the MOST debunked works of the 19th century . . .
- The Two Babylons: A Case Study in Poor Methodology
- The Two Babylons Exposed: The Book That Misled Millions
- » MYTHS FROM HISLOP: A CALL TO EXAMINE FACTS

Where Does the Word Easter Come From? 5 Fascinating Facts -

Did you ever stop to wonder about the origins of the word “Easter”? It’s fascinating how a simple term encapsulates centuries of traditions, culture, and

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Such as??

But everything to do with paganism.

And there is no empirical biblical evidence for that. Just Romanist conjecture and reinterpretation of Scripture.

I don’t think you understand what “empirical“ evidence means. Empirical evidence includes that which is implicitly show. What YOU mean is that there is no explicit evidence.

Again – where is the empirical evidence for Sola Scriptura??
Eternal Security??

YOU don’t have a grasp of context . . .

Well it di dnot teach infant baptism, it did teach OSAS, and Sola Scriptura, though that title is not used is most definitely the standard for establishing doctrine and godly instruction as I educated you before.

Funny - I never mentioned Infant Baptism. I asked you why the Early Church did NOT teach NON-Catholic practices such as Infant “Dedications”, OSAS, and Sola Scriptura.

And NO – they DIDN’T teach Eternal Security (OSAS) or Sola Scriptura, Those are man-made 16th century Protestant inventions . . .

They are iimplied through allegorical reinterpretations of Scripture

Like the FALSE doctrines of Sola Scriptura, Sola Dide, Eternal Security and others??

nd a Romanist is one who adhers to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church aqs I educated you before.

And, as I educated YOU before – there is no such thing as the “Roman Catholic Church”. It is simply the “Catholic Church”. No such thing as “Romanism”, either - except in ignorant circles . . .

I never said Mary is not important. And I do not believe there is any hidden secret meaning to her being first mentioned. MOst likely because MAry was the focus of asking Jesus to do the miracle.

YOU said:
“Is Mary is so important …”, calling her importance into question.

And yes, Mary WAS the catalyst for Jesus’s first miracle. In was her intercession that initiated His intervention at the Wedding in Cana.

But let me ask you a question.
If Mary is so high up in heaven and in Catholic Dogma why did Jesus say this:
31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

So if Jesus' "brethren" were cousins, that would mean Jesus was saying that if we obey HIm, we are cousins according to Rome

That’s an ignorant way of looking at this passage.

He is using hyperbole – unless you actually believe that somebody other than Mary can be His mother. YOUR problem is that you READ Scripture but your don’t have a grasp of CONTEXT . . .

As I told you before – “Adelphos” can mean a variety of different things, as it is a very general term. It can mean brother, half-brother, cousin, kinsman, neighbor, fellow-believer, etc. In the Aramaic language that Jesus spoke, He would have used the word “’ach” which is ALSO used for brother, half-brother, cousin, kinsman, neighbor, fellow-believer, etc.

Mark 3:35
“For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my adelphos, and my adelphe, and may'-tare.”
(brother, half-brother, cousin, kinsman, neighbor, fellow-believer, etc.)

 

[ShineTheLight]

too bad you didn't finish the quote from Jesus:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus did not say " I knew you for awhile, but don't know you now!" He said INEVER KNEW YOU!

John 6:28-29​

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28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jesus told us what the will and works we must do to have eternal life!

Anyone can believe. Doing the will of the father in heaven is more than believing.

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Luke 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
2 Timothy 2:10

If your interpretation was correct, then it would mean that God contradicts Himself and His Word is not true. But thank God His Word is true and reliable.

2 Timothy 2:10 emphasizes that Paul endures suffering for the "elect"—those God has chosen for salvation—so they can receive salvation in Christ and eternal glory.
This passage confirms the Bible doctrine of "unconditional election", where God's sovereign choice is the basis for salvation, not human merit. Paul's endurance is a reflection of God's faithfulness and is motivated by the certainty that God will bring the chosen people to salvation through Christ's finished work.

 

[JLB]

2 Timothy 2:10 emphasizes that Paul endures suffering for the "elect"—those God has chosen for salvation

Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10


The phrase "those God has chosen for salvation" is not in this verse.

Here is the reality of what the verse actually says... that they also may obtain the salvation


God desire that the elect ALSO obtain salvation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Anyone can believe. Doing the will of the father in heaven is more than believing.

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Luke 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Biblical belief is a trust and reliance on the object of that belief. biblical belief causes a transformation in the life of he person.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Wrong.

a. The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
b. Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).
c. Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6).

No you are wrong!

Remember the church is not an organization (sect) but a living organism comprised of true believers in all sects of Christendom.

The church is people, not a denomination.

Exactly – and it was a TITLE, not a description . .

Says you. Others see it as the description of the church. catholic means universal and the universal church is all believers in all sects

And NO – they DIDN’T teach Eternal Security (OSAS) or Sola Scriptura, Those are man-made 16th century Protestant inventions . . .

No they are doctrines established by Jesus and the Apostles:

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

It is tragically sad you believe Jesus did not pay the price for all your sins.

Like the FALSE doctrines of Sola Scriptura, Sola Dide, Eternal Security and others??

NO! Those doctrines youwrote in bold are explicit Scripture doctrine

What "error"??

Read the statement I write and you responded with this to and you will see.

And, as I educated YOU before – there is no such thing as the “Roman Catholic Church”. It is simply the “Catholic Church”. No such thing as “Romanism”, either - except in ignorant circles .

Do a google search and educate yourself.

YOU said:
“Is Mary is so important …”, calling her importance into question.

And yes, Mary WAS the catalyst for Jesus’s first miracle. In was her intercession that initiated His intervention at the Wedding in Cana.

Every believer is important. And as the angel said she is blessed among women not above women. Now educate yourself at the many many intercessions from many many people that caused jesus to act!

He is using hyperbole – unless you actually believe that somebody other than Mary can be His mother. YOUR problem is that you READ Scripture but your don’t have a grasp of CONTEXT . . .

As I told you before – “Adelphos” can mean a variety of different things, as it is a very general term. It can mean brother, half-brother, cousin, kinsman, neighbor, fellow-believer, etc. In the Aramaic language that Jesus spoke, He would have used the word “’ach” which is ALSO used for brother, half-brother, cousin, kinsman, neighbor, fellow-believer, etc.

Mark 3:35
“For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my adelphos, and my adelphe, and may'-tare.”
(brother, half-brother, cousin, kinsman, neighbor, fellow-believer, etc.)

keep telling yourself that. Also tap your heels three times and repeat "there's no place lik ehome" and maybe you will land in kansas again!

 

[BreadOfLife]

No you are wrong!

Soooo, LIED in Eph. 1:22-23, Luke was LYING in Acts 9:4-5 and John LIED in John 14:6??

Remember the church is not an organization (sect) but a living organism comprised of true believers in all sects of Christendom.

It is made up of all BAPTIZED Trinitarian followers of Christ.

The church is people, not a denomination.

The Body of Christ is people with Jesus as its Head.

Says you. Others see it as the description of the church.
catholic means universal and the universal church is all believers in all sects

Says ME, says the Early Church and says plain old grammar . . .

As I informed you before – the use of “The Catholic Church” in 2nd century documents like The Martyrdom of Polycarp is as a TITLE – not a mere description . This is a fact that you simply cannot argue against. . .

No they are doctrines established by Jesus and the Apostles:

WRONG.

Show me where they taught OSAS and Sola Scriptura.
Chapter and Verse, please . . .

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

But they can jump out of His hand. This verse is a promise to those who REMAIN in Christ and REMAIN faithful.

There are MANY verses that warn us NOT to fall away or we will LOSE our secure position . . .
2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

Here are a few other warnings about the SAME thing . . .
(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

It is tragically sad you believe Jesus did not pay the price for all your sins.

HOW is this a reference to Sola Scriptura – the idea that Scripture is our SOLE Authority??

NO! Those doctrines youwrote in bold are explicit Scripture doctrine

That YOU have YET to show me from Scripture.
You can’t just claim that something is taught in Scripture when it is NOT . . .

Read the statement I write and you responded with this to and you will see.

I ask you AGAIN – what “error”??

Tertullian
Where was Marcion then, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus then, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago – in the reign of Antoninus for the most part – and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus (Pope from 74-189 AD) (On the Prescription Against Heretics 22,30 [A.D.195])

Do a google search and educate yourself.

I suggest YOU do the same.

As I educated you before – “Roman” or “Latin” simply refers to the Liturgical Rite – NOT the Church. There are over TWENTY Liturgical Rites that comprise “The Catholic Church”. Among these are the Byzantine Catholics, Melkite Catholics, Maronite Catholics, Coptic Catholics, etc. ALL of them are in communion as the ONE Catholic Church.

ALL official documents of the Church is it called, “The Catholic Church”.
Do your HOMEWORK . . .

Every believer is important. And as the angel said she is blessed among women not above women. Now educate yourself at the many many intercessions from many many people that caused jesus to act!

The Angel also referred to he as, “Kecharitomene” – which translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.” It indicates a completed action with a permanent result.

She is the ONLY person in ALL of Scripture who is given this title. As a matter of fact, according to the Bible – NOBODY has ever been “completely, perfectly and enduringly endowed with grace” other than Mary. So much so that she was chosen to carry GOD in her womb.

I’d say THAT makes her pretty important . . .

keep telling yourself that. Also tap your heels three times and repeat "there's no place lik ehome" and maybe you will land in kansas again!

Asinine references to the Wizard of Oz aren’t gonna save you here, pal.

With all of the Biblical and linguistic evidence I have presented in our debate – YOU have presented NOTHING but denial. I think it’s glaringly apparent that you have LOST the “Adelphos” argument . . .