WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?
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You apparently havent looked at the post I sent you. Not about the sheep fold
HOW DO WE FOLLOW JESUS?
This is what Paul and Jesus taught.
1. belief in God.
2. obedience to God.
What do YOU think the gospel is?
Do you believe they taught a different gospel?
So one of them would be anathema?
What are you saying Doug?
That YOU are right
and
I am wrong?
Because I do not agree with you?
You think that if I read an article of yours, I'll change my mind?
That's rather a prideful statement to make in a conversation.
Never said that Jesus Peter and Paul didnt have some common teachings, but that doesnt nullify the differences
Paul said if one preached another gospel to those who received his gospel would be anathema
THE GOSPEL
I originally said this.............Here is another of my posts to respond to your request for my points...........I sent this link to one of my posts to further the discussion because you wanted to know my teachings. As I said that would be hard to do in one post so I decided to respond to your request in this fashion, by periodic postings of existing posts I wrote.
i didnt write this against you or for you, it is an existing previous post. I copied it to you just to stimulate a new topic since we pretty much exhausted commenting further on our topics of discussion.
You can read it and discuss it if you wish
HOW DO WE FOLLOW JESUS?
This is what you liked me to:
[Matthew 15:22-23 KJV] 22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
The Lord Jesus did not respond to the woman of Canaan at first.
[Matthew 15:24 KJV] 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles, but only to the house of Israel.
[John 1:10-12 KJV] 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
John reiterates that Jesus came unto his own, which is Israel.
[Matthew 15:25-26 KJV] 25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.
The children in the above verse is Israel. The dogs are Gentiles.
[Luke 4:43-44 KJV] 43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent. 44 And he preached in the synagogues of Galilee.
Jesus was sent to preach the kingdom of God. The kingdom that was being offered during Christ's earthly ministry was the prophetic kingdom on earth, in which, believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years. The kingdom was being offered only to Israel at this time. That the Gentiles would enter the kingdom at his coming was not conveyed until Matthew 25:31-46. What was made known was that entrance to the kingdom hinged on how the Gentile nations treated Israel.
If you say we are to follow Jesus in his earthly ministry, you are ignoring the fact that Jesus said he was sent only to Israel.
If you say we are to follow Jesus in his earthly ministry, you are ignoring that Jesus called Gentiles dogs.
If you follow Jesus according to his earthly ministry, you are claiming for yourself all the teachings and commandments given to Israel.
[1Corinthians 11:1 KJV] 1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.
Israel was to follow Jesus, that is Biblical; for us to follow Jesus in his earthly ministry is Biblical , but not dispensational. In this dispensation we are to follow Jesus by following Paul.
[1Corinthians 1:17 KJV] 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Jesus was sent to Israel, Paul was sent to us.
It's exactly what we've been discussing...not a new topic.
If you're going to claim that there are two distinct gospels,,,then it would be good for you to list, at least, maybe 2 differences.
Also, your other OP is speaking about Jesus coming to Israel as THE SHEEP....
I never denied this...
what I'm denying is that He did not come ONLY for the sheep of Israel.
[2Co 11:4 KJV] 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].
Paul didnt name anyone in particular
This verse says otherwise......................[Matthew 15:24 KJV] 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
You are reading what you know from Paul into this verse
Jesus preached eternal life for Israel was for them only to believe on his name...............[Jhn 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Peter preached the name of Christ plus John's baptism to receive the Holy Ghost...............[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[Act 3:16 KJV] 16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
[Act 4:12 KJV] 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Paul preached the cross................[1Co 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; ... 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:.
Matthew 15:24
24 But He answered and said, "I was sent only * * to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
It is not Paul who states differently,
but Jesus Himself: Again:
John 10:16
16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
Right.
As we read Matthew 15:24 it is correct that Jesus came to fulfill prophecy for Israel-
But as we read in John 10:16 ALL THE NATIONS were going to also be added.
Jesus healed the womans' daughter in Matthew 15...He did not walk away.
This is similar to the Samaritan woman asking for the crumbs.
John taught forgiveness for all.
John 3:18 was for all men.
Please note the verse just before John 3:18
John 3:17
17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
But that THE WORLD would be saved through Him.
Right.
And who are the YE?
YE is the plural of YOU.
Anyone who believes will be svaed.
Jesus also taught baptism....He told the Apostles to baptize all nations in the Great commission. Matthew 28:19
Jesus said IT IS FINISHED.
WHAT was finished?
Jesus' mission was finished.
Jesus said we must be born from above.
Jesus said we must believe in Him.
I don't see any difference yet.
Of course it was revealed to Paul that in this dispensation Jesus redeemed all not just Israel. That doent negate the fact that Jesus came only to save Israel during the dispensation of his earthly ministry. Even Paul said he came only to Israel..................[Rom 15:8 KJV] 8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers:
This is about the same woman recorded in Matthew 15 and Mark 7:25
The Gentiles he responded to was because of their faith BUT because they blessed Israel in some fashion
[Jhn 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
To all that would believe ONLY on his NAME not on his death for our sins and resurrection for our justification
John 20:31 was for that dispensation We dont just believe on his name and nothing else
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