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Rather than discussing such a boring topic, it's better to think about how to earn an extra ten thousand dollars tomorrow.
 

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Antisemitism has been on the rise more than ever. NYS just voted their 1st Muslim mayor and was only a few minutes ago talking with a Christian in my area and, he reminded me of a town in I think Michigan that is run by Muslims and have Sharia Law in place??! Am I wrong to think it is not a very Christian thing to lift up Muslims and bash Jews.
Can anyone please explain to me why this is? I was talking to (texting) a Christian friend in San Diego who replied to my text that our home state just voted in a Muslim with "better than a jew"!

PLEASE someone tell me why this is?

Thank you!
This and other issues boggles the mind doesn't it.....that's because the problem is spiritual....people are filling up with a spirit that causes them to have blind spots that defy common sense and shoot themselves in the foot.....and I believe that is a direct consequence of nations turning away from God and apostasy.....God's judgment. God gave Israel a spirit of stupor that they would go and fall backwards...that's what's happening in the west now. And evil is always present and waiting for opportunities, but nations and churches that reject and disobey God and His truth will not be blessed and protected by Him from the evil.
 

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Hamaians who hate Israel.
Humans who hate Israel.
Hamas who hate Israel.
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Does Israel love Hamaians?
Does Israel love Humans?
Does Israel love Hamas?

Why they must love them?
Give me a reason why.
 
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Yes, the people being the Jews ...not those who say they're Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of satan. There are both in Israel.

Jesus says, there are those who say they are Jews and are not whereas Paul tells us who is a Jew

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

It would be similar (I would think) to the preserved seven thousand/symbolic of the remnant in Paul's day (all of the same were in and considered of Israel) of the circumcision (made so by the hands of men) but were not all circumcised in heart by the Spirit. Which, at least then (even among themselves, at that time) one would be considered a Jew inwardly ( as Paul seemed to speak of them). These entrusted with the oracles of God at that time

So you could inwardly be a Jew as much as you could inwardly be a ravenous wolf.

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Idk if this is okay to share in the thread @Nancy. But the Israel Heritage Foundation have named Trump the Prince of Peace, Messiah, and the king of Jerusalem. This Israel Heritage Foundation is also instrumental in setting the Noahide laws in place, and the system that is monitoring and taking note of every person who speaks against Israel in criticism or disagreement, or anything they deem as antisemitic. A man recently was visited by police after he posted something online about Israel. (Idk the nature of what he posted.) But this is an example of the system that is being put into place, and this will be the system that beheads anyone who doesn't serve the antichrist. Proclaiming Jesus Christ as the Messiah will be considered blasphemy and will be met with beheading. That's the Noahide laws at work.

The best thing to do is to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Why not pray for the peace of Israel? Idk ...but we are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Peace only comes through Jesus Christ.
THANK YOU for sharing this.
 

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Hamaians who hate Israel.
Humans who hate Israel.
Hamas who hate Israel.
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Does Israel love Hamaians?
Does Israel love Humans?
Does Israel love Hamas?

Why they must love them?
Give me a reason why.
Read Romans chapters 9 thru 11

There is a Balance that requires God's POV = Romans 11:28

Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.
 
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This and other issues boggles the mind doesn't it.....that's because the problem is spiritual....people are filling up with a spirit that causes them to have blind spots that defy common sense and shoot themselves in the foot.....and I believe that is a direct consequence of nations turning away from God and apostasy.....God's judgment. God gave Israel a spirit of stupor that they would go and fall backwards...that's what's happening in the west now. And evil is always present and waiting for opportunities, but nations and churches that reject and disobey God and His truth will not be blessed and protected by Him from the evil.
yes God gives them over as Romans 1 says

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
 

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Read Romans chapters 9 thru 11

There is a Balance that requires God's POV = Romans 11:28

Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.
God never promised everyone should love them.

Only teaching us you should love your enemies.love others as yourself.......

If they don't follow the words, the world also don't follow the words,


Cuz fair enough for God.
6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

If you think Christian shouldn't teaching them the words of God, and call it as hate......

As "Jew" wishes...
 
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Here is what I found about this and I copy:
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The Israel Heritage Foundation did present President Donald Trump with a "Covenant of Peace Award" in February 2024, which included the title "Prince of Peace".

The group, led by Rabbi David Katz, also presented him with a menorah in appreciation for the Abraham Accords and for his support of Israel.

However, it did not name him "Messiah" or "king of Jerusalem".
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  • "Prince of Peace": This title was explicitly used by the Israel Heritage Foundation when presenting the "Covenant of Peace Award".
  • "Messiah": While some individuals and groups have described Trump in messianic terms, this was not a designation from the Israel Heritage Foundation.
  • Some Jewish perspectives distinguish between a political ally and the actual messianic figure, according to The Jerusalem Post.
  • "King of Jerusalem": The Israel Heritage Foundation awarded Trump a "Crown of Jerusalem" (Keter Yerushalyim) award in July 2023, but not the title "king of Jerusalem".
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The scripture references they used give strong indication that they believe Trump to be their messiah.

Also, watch this.
 
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Israel has a large homosexual population

There is this Rabbi Shmuley guy that is always pushed out by some conservatives who promotes what he calls kosher sex toys and promotes porn, I havent heard of anything like that in the scripture, they seem to hide their shame in there while these days they advertise those sorts of things. Its that Rabbi whose daughter owns a sex toy shop in Tel Aviv, so maybe she gives him a cut of the profits or something?
 
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This is a very funny statement to make.
I do not know if it is funny, but that is what you are basically saying to me. I am asking you for specific connections and your answers are "pray and go read the Bible and you will see".

Which would make you discredited in a debate, but here, where people are full of biases, you even received some likes :eek:
 

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Humans who hate Israel.

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Does Israel love Humans?


Why they must love them?
Give me a reason why.
So you’re saying Israel isn’t even part of humanity? And therefore, Israel has no reason to love humans? Hmm, deep thought. Maybe you’re onto something. Judging by what Israel is doing in Gaza to Palestinians, anyone might question their humanity.
 

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Hamaians who hate Israel.
Humans who hate Israel.
Hamas who hate Israel.
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Does Israel love Hamaians?
Does Israel love Humans?
Does Israel love Hamas?

Why they must love them?
Give me a reason why.
  • Matthew 22:39: Jesus said, "And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself".

  • John 13:34: Jesus gave a new commandment, stating, "Love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another".

  • Matthew 5:44: Jesus said, "But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you".
Well, here's three

Matthew 22:39 Jesus said: 'Love your neighbor as yourself'".

John 13:34 "Jesus gave a new commandment, stating, "Love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another".

Matthew 5:44
"But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you".

Not always easy but, Jesus told us these things and we should be doing our best to follow His commands.
 
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  • Matthew 22:39: Jesus said, "And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself".

  • John 13:34: Jesus gave a new commandment, stating, "Love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another".

  • Matthew 5:44: Jesus said, "But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you".
Well, here's three

Matthew 22:39 Jesus said: 'Love your neighbor as yourself'".

John 13:34 "Jesus gave a new commandment, stating, "Love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another".

Matthew 5:44
"But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you".

Not always easy but, Jesus told us these things and we should be doing our best to follow His commands.

For discussing what Jesus meant by "love your enemies," I have a separate thread: "Do Not Murder vs. You Must Kill: Understanding 'Kill' and 'Murder' in Biblical Commands." If you read it, you'll see there are different types of enemies. You make a common mistake by not considering who Jesus was addressing, in what context, and for what purpose when He said, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (Matthew 5:44). My focus is on the Jewish context of Jesus’ sermon and how His contemporaries, familiar with the Torah in Hebrew, understood His words.

Jesus spoke these words in the Sermon on the Mount, addressing a crowd that included Pharisees, scribes, and their followers, many of whom "hated Him without cause" (John 15:25, quoting Psalm 69:4). In this context, Jesus was speaking to those who saw Him as a sanē (נַאֲךָ), a personal opponent, per the Torah (Proverbs 25:21: "If your enemy is hungry, give him bread"). He said, "Though you see Me as sanē (נַאֲךָ), you must love Me, as the Law commands." Jews couldn’t view Him as an oyev (איב), a military or external enemy like the Romans. Jesus said nothing new; He reiterated the Torah known to His audience.

The tragedy and immorality lie in this: these Jews, seeing Him as sanē (נַאֲךָ), handed Him over to the Romans, the oyev (איב), Israel’s external enemies. This was an unprecedented crime for Jews. In Jewish thought, using an oyev (איב), like the Romans, to deal with a sanē (נַאֲךָ) was unthinkable—comparable to a Jew in Nazi Germany betraying another Jew to Hitler, the oyev (איב). This act was a monstrous moral crime, incomprehensible without the full Gospel context.
 
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Rather than discussing such a boring topic, it's better to think about how to earn an extra ten thousand dollars tomorrow.
Matthew 4:4 (KJV):
“But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
 

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You answered the scripture in Revelation itself with the following

" And that's why many Christians view Jews as worthless trash who are unworthy to breathe our air and deserving of vitriolic hatred and forever torture."

What part of the below scripture makes Christians view Jews as trash as you just said above

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters,
and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death
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Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
It seems absurd at first glance.
But what if there’s some logic and direct connection here?
 

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The GOP-controlled Ohio Senate has overwhelmingly passed a bill aimed at outlawing criticism of Israel, criminalizing preaching the Gospel and expanding hate crime "ethnic intimidation" laws to fight "antisemitism."

They know the bill blatantly infringes on the First Amendment but they simply don't care.

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New legislation passed in South Dakota, Georgia, and now Ohio has criminalized key biblical teachings under the guise of protecting Jewish people from "antisemitism."

These "antisemitism" laws don’t just prohibit using symbols and imagery associated with antisemitism to criticize Israelis or Israel. They also make preaching certain parts of the Bible a criminal offense.

Under the new anti-antisemitism laws in Georgia and South Dakota, preaching key passages from the Gospel of Matthew, which clearly state that the Jews killed Jesus, is now banned:
"When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. ‘I am innocent of this man’s blood,’ he said. ‘It is your responsibility!’ And all the people answered, ‘His blood is on us and on our children!"
The Gospel According to Matthew 27:24–25

Soon there will be no true Christians left free in the USA because everything will be banned except Zionism.
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