How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

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Grailhunter

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I disagree that the text says there were giants in the land before the Sons of God took wives of the daughters of men

Gen 6:4 - The Nephilim were on the earth in those days (and also after this) when the sons of God were having sexual relations with the daughters of humankind, who gave birth to their children. They were the mighty heroes of old, the famous

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

In those days.....before and after they married the daughters of men. And another question....what happened to and what did these mighty men renown do?
It is the kind of thing that people are tempted to fill in the blanks......I just note the questions it brings up.
 

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I’m not sure what you’re inferring, RLT.

Are you suggesting you know the identity of the false accuser? If so, then by all means, show me.

There are four commonly held views on Matthew 4:
  1. Jesus, in a weakened state, was tempted to misuse God’s power (internal).
  2. Jesus was tempted by the Pharisees to join them and take worldly authority (external / internal).
  3. An obedient angel of God administered the test (external / internal)..
  4. An evil angel carried out the temptation (external / internal).
Points 1 & 2 can be proven easily from the record but points 3&4 are impossible.
It's plain as day

1 ¶ Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 ¶ But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 ¶ Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 ¶ Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 ¶ Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 ¶ Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 ¶ Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
 
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The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

In those days.....before and after they married the daughters of men. And another question....what happened to and what did these mighty men renown do?
It is the kind of thing that people are tempted to fill in the blanks......I just note the questions it brings up.
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, (and also afterward,) when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men,

And also afterward refers to after the flood. They did it again leading God to imprison the ones responsible in everlasting chains
Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
 

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It's plain as day

1 ¶ Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 ¶ But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 ¶ Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 ¶ Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 ¶ Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 ¶ Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 ¶ Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
So take point 2.

The Pharisees were clearly in pursuit of the Master and could easily have provided those opportunities:
  • tracking his movements (John 4:1–3)
  • questioning his authority (Mark 2)
  • investigating his identity (John 1, John 3)
  • plotting to destroy him extremely early (Mark 3:6)
 

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@RLT63 inference will not help you or merely copying and pasting text.

Show me anywhere in the Master's ministry a section where he teaches the disciples about this fallen angel.

Just one section where its identity is given.
 

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So take point 2.

The Pharisees were clearly in pursuit of the Master and could easily have provided those opportunities:
  • tracking his movements (John 4:1–3)
  • questioning his authority (Mark 2)
  • investigating his identity (John 1, John 3)
  • plotting to destroy him extremely early (Mark 3:6)
You are inferring your beliefs into the text. Why wouldn't it just say he was tempted by the Pharisees?
His interactions with them are clearly described.
You are denying the plain reading of the text to accommodate your beliefs
The Gospels are literal why do you take this section figuratively?
 
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@RLT63 inference will not help you or merely copying and pasting text.

Show me anywhere in the Master's ministry a section where he teaches the disciples about this fallen angel.

Just one section where its identity is given.
I've already given you one and you ignored it
 

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There is a good case for most of the verses that have been omitted but in some cases I disagree with the decisions of the editors John 5:4 for one I think should have remained
My understanding is that translators determined that the supposed "omitted verses" shouldn't have been there in the first place. (textual variants)
Thankfully they kept the same verse numbering order as all other Bibles. Including (in most cases) notes about why the verse is omitted.
 

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My understanding is that translators determined that the supposed "omitted verses" shouldn't have been there in the first place. (textual variants)
Thankfully they kept the same verse numbering order as all other Bibles. Including (in most cases) notes about why the verse is omitted.
I like the NET full notes version because it tells you in the footnotes what was omitted and why, although I still disagree with them about John 5:4
 

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His interactions with them are clearly described.
I know and that's the issue for your understanding of the adversary in Matt 4.

You are in a difficult position because you know your belief is based on an inference and you also know the Gospel records are silent on such a creature.

It's a terrible place to be in.
 

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Those verses pose more questions than answers. Were they some type of divine being or angel, that could marry and impregnate women? As the verses read there were giants in the land before the women were impregnated.
The offspring of these marriages were called mighty men of renown.....that sound like praise. Did these men battle the giants like David did? Did Yahweh disapprove of the sons of men marrying the daughters of men?
If so He did not say so.
Technically, most assume it was not in the way angels procreate. Some angels are virgins per Revelation and will have children. Marriage is actually a property contract in the OT/Tenak, but now women demand to own the house. Marriage is not a good translation of the Greek and Hebrew cognates.
 

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I know and that's the issue for your understanding of the adversary in Matt 4.

You are in a difficult position because you know your belief is based on an inference and you also know the Gospel records are silent on such a creature.

It's a terrible place to be in.
I'm not in a difficult situation because I can read. I can read and comprehend what the Bible very clearly says.
You are in a difficult situation because you are trying to spiritualize the text
 

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You just moved the goalpost
Not so.

If you cannot provide any evidence for the identity of your creature, then we must draw several conclusions that may not align with the ideas you associate with the adversary and the false accuser.
 

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@RLT63 What usually happens with this topic is that the ‘fallen angel’ proponent goes searching for evidence, only to find that the Gospels are silent on the matter, and Romans and Hebrews offer nothing to support it. There are just a few scattered verses describing someone as an adversary, like Peter, or a devil, like Judas. Eventually, you realize that the ideas ingrained in your mind aren’t actually taught in Scripture, and you begin to wonder how you ever adopted them. It’s a process
 

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The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, (and also afterward,) when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men,

And also afterward refers to after the flood. They did it again leading God to imprison the ones responsible in everlasting chains
Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

See what I mean....You are assuming that this verse has something to do with the sons of God verses. If Yahweh would have indicated that they did wrong or intend to punish them.....I would be with you on speculating that these verses were referring to those verses. But what I can tell good came of the sons of God marrying the daughters of men. Christians have a tendency to think if it has anything to do with sex that it is evil. Don't forget that Yahweh impregnated a woman. There is nothing to say that was not sex. Yahweh did not create Yeshua, He begot Yeshua.....There is enough examples in the Bible to know how that is done. Yeshua is the Son of Yahweh.
 

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@RLT63 What usually happens with this topic is that the ‘fallen angel’ proponent goes searching for evidence, only to find that the Gospels are silent on the matter, and Romans and Hebrews offer nothing to support it. There are just a few scattered verses describing someone as an adversary, like Peter, or a devil, like Judas. Eventually, you realize that the ideas ingrained in your mind aren’t actually taught in Scripture, and you begin to wonder how you ever adopted them. It’s a process
Most mainstream Bible scholars (across evangelical, Catholic, Orthodox, and mainline Protestant traditions) describe Satan/the devil using a synthesis of biblical texts, ancient Jewish literature, and early church tradition. Here is the consensus view:1. Identity and Names
  • Satan (Hebrew שָׂטָן, sātān) literally means “adversary” or “accuser.” It functions as both a title and a proper name in later Scripture.
  • The Devil (Greek διάβολος, diabolos) means “slanderer” or “false accuser.”
  • Other biblical titles: the serpent (Gen 3; Rev 12:9), Lucifer (only in Isa 14:12 in the Latin Vulgate; most scholars say this is about the king of Babylon, not Satan), Beelzebul, Belial, the evil one, the prince of this world, the god of this age, the dragon, Abaddon/Apollyon, etc.
2. OriginThe Bible never gives a single, detailed “origin story,” so scholars reconstruct it from several passages:
  • Originally a high-ranking angel
    Most scholars hold that Satan was created as a holy angel who rebelled. Key proof texts:
    • Ezekiel 28:12–19 (lament over the king of Tyre, widely interpreted as a “double reference” that also describes Satan’s fall: “You were the anointed guardian cherub… You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you… your heart was proud because of your beauty”).
    • Isaiah 14:12–15 (“How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn!… You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven… I will make myself like the Most High’”). Again, primarily about Babylon’s king but applied typologically to Satan.
    • Revelation 12:7–9 (“war in heaven; Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon… that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan… was thrown down to the earth, and his angels with him”).
  • Timing of the fall
    Happened sometime after God pronounced creation “very good” (Gen 1:31) but before Genesis 3 (the serpent already opposes God).
  • One-third of the angels fell with him (Rev 12:4, symbolically interpreted).
3. Nature
  • A created, finite, personal spirit being—not omnipotent, omniscient, or omnipresent.
  • Utterly evil now; no remaining good left (John 8:44 “he was a murderer from the beginning… a liar and the father of lies”).
  • Can appear as an “angel of light” (2 Cor 11:14)—deceptive beauty, not the cartoon red demon with horns and pitchfork.
4. Role as Adversary (Satan)
  • Opposes God’s kingdom and God’s people:
    • Accuses believers before God (Job 1–2; Zech 3:1; Rev 12:10 “the accuser of our brothers… who accuses them day and night”).
    • Resists God’s servants (1 Thess 2:18; Zech 3:1).
    • Rules a demonic hierarchy (Eph 6:12; Matt 25:41 “the devil and his angels”).
5. Role as Tempter
  • Tempts humans to sin and doubt God:
    • Genesis 3 (serpent deceives Eve).
    • Tempted Jesus in the wilderness (Matt 4:1–11; “the devil”).
    • 1 Chronicles 21:1 (incited David to take the census).
    • Entered Judas (Luke 22:3; John 13:27).
    • Schemes against believers (Eph 6:11; 2 Cor 2:11).
    • Snatches the word from hearts (Mark 4:15).
    • Uses desire, pride, and lies as primary weapons (1 John 2:16; cf. Eve and Jesus’ temptations).
6. Current Status and Limitations
  • Defeated at the cross (John 12:31; Col 2:15; Heb 2:14), yet still active until the end.
  • Bound in the sense that he cannot thwart God’s ultimate plan, but still “prowls around like a roaring lion” (1 Pet 5:8).
  • Cannot possess believers indwelt by the Holy Spirit, but can oppress, tempt, and deceive.
7. Final Destiny
  • Eternal lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Matt 25:41; Rev 20:10 “tormented day and night forever”).
Scholarly Consensus Notes
  • Conservative evangelical (Grudem, Erickson, MacArthur, Wayne Grudem’s Systematic Theology): fully accept the above as literal.
  • Catholic (Catechism §§391–395, 414): same basic outline; emphasizes free choice of the angels.
  • Mainline Protestant (sometimes more cautious about literal details of Ezek 28/Isa 14, but still affirm a personal evil being who tempts and opposes God).
  • Critical scholars (e.g., some in the Jesus Seminar): may treat much of the demonic language as mythological, but even they usually acknowledge the NT presents Satan as a personal evil intelligence.
In short: The overwhelming majority of Bible scholars across two millennia describe Satan as a created angel who, through pride, led a rebellion against God, was cast down with a portion of the angels, now functions as humanity’s chief tempter and God’s adversary, yet remains a defeated enemy heading for eternal judgment.
 

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In short: The overwhelming majority of Bible scholars across two millennia describe Satan as a created angel who, through pride, led a rebellion against God, was cast down with a portion of the angels, now functions as humanity’s chief tempter and God’s adversary, yet remains a defeated enemy heading for eternal judgment.
Well, you can remove Ezek 28 and Matt 4 - its a process of understanding the context of each use of the word. As I said, its a process.