God wants to save Christians too. --- Say what?

[St. SteVen]

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10 NIV

So, this says: God is the Savior of all people, and... that will include "believers". Very good news.
His salvation of all will include "believers". As a subset of all.

So, why are believers so hard to save? They are trapped in a religious mindset. IMHO

Come on, do you really believe that EVERYONE who calls themselves "Christian" will be saved?
Will you be saved because you belong to this or that church? Or by your stellar works portfolio?
Get real!

Agree or disagree?
Let's discuss. Thanks.

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[Behold]

who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10 NIV

Here how to understand "savior of all people" and "the believers".

Its like this.

The Cross of Christ, is where God has forgiven all sin, of all people for all time.

Now, this is explaining that Jesus is the Savior of us all..........yet, this Salvation, has to be RECEIVED by Faith.

See, when Jesus was on The Cross.....>He said......"IT, is finished, (accomplished).. and that is.......'What i came to do, i have done... i have come to offer God's salvation (ME) to everyone, as "the gift of Salvation"..
= I am THE Savior of ALL....

= Now, to GET IT.........to have what has been accomplished by Jesus on The Cross, you have to Give God your FAITH., and God accepts it, to then give this BELIEVER, ...........God's Salvation.


Now, this is a standing offer........that is explaining that Jesus is the Savior of us all..........but not ALL will have it.. not ALL will believe.. .and if you DO, then you are the "especially of those who Believe".. as He's now become specifically to you, what is universally offered to everyone.

 

[Lambano]

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10 NIV

Is "especially saved" the premium version of ordinary salvation?

 

[amigo de christo]

Here how to understand "savior of all people" and "the believers".

Its like this.

The Cross of Christ, is where God has forgiven all sin, of all people for all time.

Now, this is explaining that Jesus is the Savior of us all..........yet, this Salvation, has to be RECEIVED by Faith.

See, when Jesus was on The Cross.....>He said......"IT, is finished, (accomplished).. and that is.......'What i came to do, i have done... i have come to offer God's salvation (ME) to everyone, as "the gift of Salvation"..
= I am THE Savior of ALL....

= Now, to GET IT.........to have what has been accomplished by Jesus on The Cross, you have to Give God your FAITH., and God accepts it, to then give this BELIEVER, ...........God's Salvation.


Now, this is a standing offer........that is explaining that Jesus is the Savior of us all..........but not ALL will have it.. not ALL will believe.. .and if you DO, then you are the "especially of those who Believe".. as He's now become specifically to you, what is universally offered to everyone.

He is trying to twist things . Remember he follows this inclusive stuff . KEEP sounding out the absolute dire need to BELEIVE .
Rather odd that many will say a truth like GOD is HIS word
and yet turn around and treat the words of CHRIST as though they come not of GOD .
Remember how serious JESUS was and later the apostles were about the dire need to beleive .
And when folks refused they often shook the dust off with a warning like your blood be upon your own head .
St steven is all about this finding common ground stuff . But we both know it came from the vatican .
so no suprises there my friend . KEEP sounding out the one true gospel my friend .

 

[St. SteVen]

Is "especially saved" the premium version of ordinary salvation?

As humorous as that sounds, (not sure if that was your intent)
that is the case, from my perspective. God chose his Elect to be onboard initially. (in this lifetime)
Everyone else will catch up in the afterlife. (each in turn - 1 Corinthians 15:22-24)

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[Lambano]

As humorous as that sounds, (not sure if that was your intent)
that is the case, from my perspective. God chose his Elect to be onboard initially. (in this lifetime)
Everyone else will catch up in the afterlife. (each in turn - 1 Corinthians 15:22-24)

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The other half of that double-entendre is the cost of discipleship. The "premium" to be paid.

 

[CadyandZoe]

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10 NIV

So, this says: God is the Savior of all people, and... that will include "believers". Very good news.
His salvation of all will include "believers". As a subset of all.

That is not what Paul meant by "especially." He means something like "notably", which is intended to strengthen the idea that God is distinctly saving believers.

 

[amigo de christo]

That is not what Paul meant by "especially." He means something like "notably", which is intended to strengthen the idea that God is distinctly saving believers.

Indeed you are correct my friend . many seem to forget the many other things paul wrote
which made darn sure to let folks know that he who does not beleive WILL Not be saved .
GOD chose how to save the world .
By the preaching of the gospel to SAVE THOSE WHO DO BELEIVE .
i mean look at how often paul shook the dust off his feet against those who recieved not Christ .
Even warning them YOUR BLOOD be upon your own heads , I AM CLEAN of yalls blood , I WARNED YA .
People want to beleive this fairy tale fake love that i know came of satan .
HOW do i know it came of HIM
Cause HE DESIRES DEATH , NOT LIFE for humanity .
SO he gonna do what he did at the tree and say SURELY YE SHALL NOT PERISH .
HE is a LIAR . JESUS IS TRUTH . JESUS IS LIFE and HIS WORDS are spirit and they are life .
HE warned HOW bad it gonna be for those who rejected him .
FAR WORSE than ever it was for sodom . This geneartion is in love with a lie that has made the path broad
and VERY sin accepting , UNBELIEF accepting . About the only thing they do hate is
THE WORDS OF GOD and those who use said words to expose their error and sin . something has went wrong My friend .
I have never seen a delusoin like this in all my life .
ITS NOT ONLY merging the false religoins , the world , ITS even merging christendom with the false to all
believe in A LOVE that will actually be their own destruction .

 

[St. SteVen]

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10 NIV

So, this says: God is the Savior of all people, and...
that will include "believers". Very good news.
His salvation of all will include "believers". As a subset of all.

So, why are believers so hard to save? They are trapped in a religious mindset. IMHO

Come on, do you really believe that EVERYONE who calls themselves "Christian" will be saved?
Will you be saved because you belong to this or that church? Or by your stellar works portfolio?
Get real!

Agree or disagree?
Let's discuss. Thanks.

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[Behold]

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10 NIV

God/Jesus are the Savior of all people, because there is only one Savior.
So, that is the context.

Also, when we read "especially thos who believe", .. then the context is.......God/Jesus is the Savior, there is no other, and all who have believed are saved.

 

[Lambano]

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

Is "especially saved" the premium version of regular salvation?

 

[amigo de christo]

God/Jesus are the Savior of all people, because there is only one Savior.
So, that is the context.

Also, when we read "especially thos who believe", .. then the context is.......God/Jesus is the Savior, there is no other, and all who have believed are saved.

Yes indeed my friend .
And let us take note of the warnings
that CHRIST and even later the apostels gave .
Seeing ye count yourselves unworthy of EVERLASTING LIFE
Too many in these last hours on earth
desire to hear a gospel THAT IS NO GOSPEL AT ALL . an i idea of salvation for all
and sin accepted . But that aint what JESUS ever taught
or the apostels . It was BELEIVE or perish .
As even one reminded the very jews of this dire warning .
BEWARE lest that comes upon you which is written in the prophets
Behold , wonder , and PERISH
for i work a work in your day that you will in no way beleive though a man .............
I never heard paul preaching some idea of universal salvation .
HERE is what he and the others preached .
JESUS THE CHRIST , the dire need to beleive on HIM or perish .
So the question of the day is
BUT sirs what must i do to be saved .
AND WE BOTH KNOW THE ANSWER that both paul and silas gave that man .
IT DARN sure wasnt oh its okay if one beleives not , hey we all saved .
IT was BELEIVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and YE SHALL BE SAVED .

 

[St. SteVen]

Is "especially saved" the premium version of regular salvation?

I thought it was an "Also Ran" award. - LOL

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[Taken]

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10 NIV

So, this says: God is the Savior of all people, and... that will include "believers". Very good news.
His salvation of all will include "believers". As a subset of all.

Warning Long post.

Agree…
People who ARE or Shall Be SAVED, IS Because of Gods Offerings and Works.

So, why are believers so hard to save? They are trapped in a religious mindset. IMHO

People ARE Hard to Save?
Expressly Nothing IS TOO HARD for God to Accomplish.

Jer 32:
[17] Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee:

Come on, do you really believe that EVERYONE who calls themselves "Christian" will be saved?

Salvation IS NOT about a “Title/ Description” a person outwardly wears.

Salvation IS regarding the inward Soul, IN a man, and the Life IN that soul (which IS Gods Breath).

All souls (IN a man), belong TO God.

Ezek 18:
[1]… Word of the LORD…
[4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Expressly, Yes, God “desires” All souls (IN people), to BECOME MADE (BY Gods Power…saved.)

*The Requirement TO BE MADE Saved.
“IS a persons BELIEF”.

BELIEF “WHERE” Regarding a natural Man?
* Mans INTERNAL MIND? NO.
* Mans INTERNAL SPIRIT? YES.

WHERE and WHAT is natural mans INTERNAL SPIRIT?
* TRUTH a natural man BELIEVES IN his natural Heart? YES.

BELIEF IN WHAT?
OT ——> Forward—-> NT
* IN Heavenly God, Creator and Maker? YES.
* IN Gods WORD? YES.
* IN the LORD’S Lord Messiah? YES.
* IN Gods Supreme Power? YES.
* IN Gods Own Faithfulness (to be, accomplish, what He Promises)? YES.
——
* IN Gods WORD, named JESUS? YES.
* IN Gods POWER, titled, CHRIST? YES.
* IN Gods WORD, described, TRUTH, LIFE, WAY? YES.
——
* IN Gods WORKS? YES.
* IN Gods ORDER? YES.

Considering THOSE THINGS….
We arrive AT ManKINDS DILEMMA

Scriptures…which say …ALL men.
And…
ALL men… “HAVE NOT, DO NOT” Consider or Believe ALL those Things.

ALL men, Begin their natural Life, AGAINST God ( Do not, Know Of Him, Know Him, thus can NOT choose Him)…
Which IS CALLED; ALL Mens SIN AGAINST God.
ALL men…Did Not Know, All those things.
ALL men…Have FREEWILL, to choose, What and When to Believe, as they Choose.
ALL men, Can Believe this IN THEIR MIND one day, and Believe the Opposite IN their MIND another day.

They are trapped in a religious mindset. IMHO

Get your Point. And agree). A trapping of religiousity, of One Deciding, Dictating, Accusing, what DOES and Does NOT Apply to Another man, according to the accusers ORDER and Way.

ALL men Do Not Know…WHAT or WHEN another Man HAS or Has NOT…Heartfully (in the mans SPIRIT)…
Chosen…
OR…
Such man TOLD The LORD / The LORDS Lord… the mans own (spirits) BELIEF.

Will you be saved because you belong to this or that church?

No.

Or by your stellar works portfolio?

No.
Belief IS the Door to the GIFT of Salvation.
Works ARE the Door to The REWARDS of Blessings.

Time was established for the benefit of manKIND.
And All men Have Not naturally existed, From the Beginning of manKIND, to experience the exact Same things.

What Applies to ONE man, Does NOT apply to ALL men.

A mans “Relationship” (or lack thereof), IS Exclusively, Offered and Established Between that ONE man and the Lord God Almighty…

Fact IS: God Himself established…an ORDER, WAY, MEANS… for All men, ( naturally born in whatever era ), TO HAVE a Pathway To Choose Eternal Life WITH Him…( or NOT ).

Same Path…multiple ORDER, WAY, MEANS.

And Agree, “Religiousity”…can, does, cause Strife, Disagreements, misunderstandings, Gaslighting, Snarkiness, among and between men.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GeneZ]

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10 NIV

So, this says: God is the Savior of all people, and...
that will include "believers". Very good news.
His salvation of all will include "believers". As a subset of all.

So, why are believers so hard to save? They are trapped in a religious mindset. IMHO

Come on, do you really believe that EVERYONE who calls themselves "Christian" will be saved?
Will you be saved because you belong to this or that church? Or by your stellar works portfolio?
Get real!

Agree or disagree?
Let's discuss. Thanks.

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Initially, God saves unregenerate souls from condemnation to Hell.

After they are saved?

God then wants to save believers from religion and human good.

The results?
Very few of the many saved find the sound doctrinal teaching needed to be delivered from religion and human good.
There is a contrast, many are saved from Hell.
Few are saved from religion or human good.

Many are called, but few are chosen?
The 'called' are the ones who have been saved...

And whom he called, them he also justified.

And whom he justified, them he also glorified. Romans 8:30b​

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The 'called' are many.​

The called are saved (justified) ones.​

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That right there could go on for an extended time,​

but this format leaves us with only a sign on the door.​

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So? We need to accept what it says by faith for starters.​

Abraham did not understand it when at age 99 he was told he would sire a son.​

Abraham accepted it by faith, without understanding how it was possible.​

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Yes, God must save the saved.​

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It all amounts to it being those whom for sound doctrine they genuinely seek.​

Or end up thrown in the bin of 2 Timothy 4:3 believers.​

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For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine. ​

Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great ​

number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.​

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Note!​

For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine. ​

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There we have it.​

 

[St. SteVen]

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is
the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10 NIV

So, this says: God is the Savior of all people, and... that will include "believers". Very good news.
His salvation of all will include "believers". As a subset of all.

So, why are believers so hard to save? They are trapped in a religious mindset. IMHO

Come on, do you really believe that EVERYONE who calls themselves "Christian" will be saved?
Will you be saved because you belong to this or that church? Or by your stellar works portfolio?
Get real!

Agree or disagree?
Let's discuss. Thanks.

 

[Behold]

Come on, do you really believe that EVERYONE who calls themselves "Christian" will be saved?

The Proof of Salvation is this.....

Jesus said......"you must be born again"., and he's not talking about Water Baptism., He's defining a Spiritual BIRTH.

So, a real Christian, is born again before they die.....and you can't be born again after you die, as an unbeliever will be in HELL, and they can't be born again in Hell.

 

[St. SteVen]

The Proof of Salvation is this.....

Jesus said......"you must be born again"., and he's not talking about Water Baptism., He's defining a Spiritual BIRTH.

So, a real Christian, is born again before they die.....and you can't be born again after you die, as an unbeliever will be in HELL, and they can't be born again in Hell.

Are only "Christians" allowed in heaven? (no Jews?)

 

[amigo de christo]

believing jews and beleiving gentiles are CHRISTAINS . When is this fellow gonna stop trying
to bring the ecumenical harlots works . Preach JESUS .

 

[Taken]

God wants to save Christians too. --- Say what?

God wants all to Believe.
All shall Believe.

Briefly:

Christ Jesus Shall Save His Church…
(Called Rapture)
New Creatures…body, shall rise up to clouds receive their saved soul & quickened spirit waiting in Heaven and return to Earth with Him, Alive Forever.

God shall Save His Believers…
(Called First Resurrection)
New Creatures bodys… risen ON Earth, saved soul and quickened spirit return TO Earth to reenter New Body’s ON Earth.
Heaven comes down TO
Earth. They Alive Forever.

God shall send all DEAD, lifeless, body’s, souls, natural spirits of men from Earth TO Hell for Destruction.
They Forgotten.


Glory to God,
Taken