I am the detachment, the enlightenment and the balance of Samsara, no one responds to the One alive in Nirvana but by the power of the Crucible (om?)

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Hi there,

So this is unorthodox theology, that Christ somehow reflects Eastern Buddhist theology. "Detachment, enlightenment, the balance of Samsara" are all Buddhist concepts, but Buddha never said "I am these things". Not only did Christ say "I am the way, the truth and the life" He laid down His life, to ensure that the sins which prevent us coming to Him (God crucified) with respect to this, are paid for - that is, they will never be denied us, as long as we live for Him. The problem is, it is sometimes hard to understand what Jesus meant by these things. The way, where? The truth, how? The life, to what? Clearly we need to add something to our interpretation, of what we have - so that our Cross combined with His, elucidates where we will find mercy, in our walk with Him.

Now, what I am going to do is, point out the truth, that lead me to combine these two faiths this way. If you can't understand what I am saying, stop there, and either learn to meditate (as Jesus said "by your patience possess your souls" Gospels, from memory) or find another way to relate to God - I am just telling you flat out, I am not attempting to manipulate what you believe about God. The truth is this: Jesus was enlightened, from conception. Enlightened from conception (and this is where I explain what I mean) means that He does not need to be more enlightened, He doesn't need to do anything about His enlightenment, His enlightenment is permanently a part of everything that He does.

Now this enlightenment, that Jesus has, being something that He doesn't need to do anything about, also means that it is the least you can be enlightened (and still be - powerfully - enlightened). It is the enlightenment of a single seed (actually called "zera"), everything else Jesus does, He does out of love for the enlightenment of His seed ("when his life is offered as a sacrifice for sin, He shall see His seed prolonged" OT, from memory). The reason His enlightenment is powerful (and not 'nominal') is that He keeps His enlightenment in focus. It's not wrong to depart from enlightenment, as long as you return to enlightenment, you might say. Other people may have greater magnitudes of enlightenment, but Christ alone did the most that can be done with enlightenment, by taking it to the Cross - the 'Crucible' more generally.

There is great rest in this, then - this little enlightenment and great crucible - because by investing our souls in His patience, we are able to balance Samsara and enter the Nirvana of God, which God is. God desires relationship with us, so when we have that relationship, through Christ's enlightenment, God is able to impart His (Being) Nirvana, to us ("if someone believes Us, We will come to him and make our home with him" Gospels, from memory). We don't lose that Nirvana, because of Christ's enlightenment, which He in turn keeps, through detachment. The Crucible expands detachment; Christ keeps bringing the balance of Samsara to the Crucible, so that He is able to share Nirvana with everyone - that is, to have a relationship with the One who is alive in Nirvana. This is important, because we as followers of Christ, should be able to share Nirvana with others too (not separate to Christ, but with Him).

Essentially, Christ crucifies "detachment, enlightenment and the balance of Samsara" on the ultimate Crucible, for the sake of Nirvana, with the One alive in Nirvana. He does not forget detachment, He does not minimize enlightenment and He does not deliberately add to what needs to be balanced in Samsara (He does not sin, for Nirvana). All these things can lead to someone being attached to Samsara and hence a slave to the sins, in it.

I hope this has been of some encouragement.

God bless.
 

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. The way, where? The truth, how? The life, to what? Clearly we need to add something to our interpretation, of what we have - so that our Cross combined with His, elucidates where we will find mercy, in our walk with Him.

We go to be with Jesus.
John14:2-6 there are many rooms in my Fathers house, I am preparing a place for you and will come and get you.
Jesus said that No one comes to God except by way of him { Jesus }.
As followers of Jesus we live to honour him and to show our love for him. Jesus said if you love me you will obey my commands.
 

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Through my meditations - especially on the way, the truth and the life - I have come to the conclusion that "enlightenment" is the means by which the soul develops strength in the spirit and the spirit gives power to the truth.

Without strength, your soul can't reach Heaven and without power, you cannot abide in the truth when you get there (Heaven).
 

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Through my meditations - especially on the way, the truth and the life - I have come to the conclusion that "enlightenment" is the means by which the soul develops strength in the spirit and the spirit gives power to the truth.

Without strength, your soul can't reach Heaven and without power, you cannot abide in the truth when you get there (Heaven).
Strength has nothing to do with reaching heaven.
We are saved by Gods gift of salvation.
If your meditation does not confirm what the bible teaches then you are worshipping a false god.
 
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Strength has nothing to do with reaching heaven.
We are saved by Gods gift of salvation.
If your meditation does not confirm what the bible teaches then you are worshipping a false god.
If your confession does not give you strength, it is a weak confession.

I would pray that I understand the gift of salvation, not just that I have it.
 

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Too weird for me. I fold.

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If your confession does not give you strength, it is a weak confession.

I would pray that I understand the gift of salvation, not just that I have it.

Like Paul I seek to trust in Gods strength for ' , “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” 2 cor 12:9.

If you are mixing false religion like buddhism with Christianity you really do not know what the gospel and salvation is.
There is only One God and he is approached soley through Jesus.
There is no adding of islamic practises, or hindu ideas or buddhist meditations, they will only lead you away from God.
 

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Like Paul I seek to trust in Gods strength for ' , “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” 2 cor 12:9.

If you are mixing false religion like buddhism with Christianity you really do not know what the gospel and salvation is.
There is only One God and he is approached soley through Jesus.
There is no adding of islamic practises, or hindu ideas or buddhist meditations, they will only lead you away from God.
It sounds like you want to limit praise for Jesus to Jesus. I want every partial truth to be brought together in praise to Jesus, as He said "they will sit down and sort the good from the bad" and "there will be many from the east and west, north and south that sit down in the kingdom of Heaven".

Do you think when Jesus returns, He is going to put a stop to anything that is not expressly about Him?

I like your zeal, I'm not questioning your zeal, but I wonder whether you fulfil the Law by "keeping others from entering in (to Heaven)"?
 

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"keeping others from entering in (to Heaven)"?

What will keep people out of heaven is their hatred of Jesus. One is either a Lover of Jesus' a Christian ' or a hater of him, 'a non christian .'

Paul in Romans 2 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Points out that those without the law will be judged by how they conform to the law that they naturally do.
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Remember we are not saved by doing the law, but by grace.
A buddhist who happens to boey Gods laws is not saved by that obedience. He will be saved by his faith, if he has any, in Jesus.
 

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I am the detachment, the enlightenment and the balance of Samsara, no one responds to the One alive in Nirvana but by the power of the Crucible (om?)​

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Through my meditations - especially on the way, the truth and the life - I have come to the conclusion that "enlightenment" is the means by which the soul develops strength in the spirit and the spirit gives power to the truth.

Without strength, your soul can't reach Heaven and without power, you cannot abide in the truth when you get there (Heaven).
The Administrators here should delete your faith classification ,Christian, to , "Other".
 

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If your confession does not give you strength, it is a weak confession.

I would pray that I understand the gift of salvation, not just that I have it.
I hope you find it.

Those who have it don't speak the way you do.
Jesus doesn't need your help or strength to keep His word.
Egocentric Works doctrine is always of the other path.
 

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It breaks my heart that you don't understand this.

When Jesus returns, do you think He comes from Israel? Where (or from who) did you get that idea?
 

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It breaks my heart that you don't understand this.

When Jesus returns, do you think He comes from Israel? Where (or from who) did you get that idea?

Please provide the biblical verses that show that God considers other religous believes equal to what the bible teaches.

Christ somehow reflects Eastern Buddhist theology.
. The problem is, it is sometimes hard to understand what Jesus meant by these things. The way, where? The truth, how? The life, to what? Clearly we need to add something to our interpretation, of what we have - so that our Cross combined with His, elucidates where we will find mercy, in our walk with Him.

Jesus does not reflect buddhist beliefs and his teachings clearly tell us to look to him, to follow him.
 

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What does Jesus give us, when He returns? Peace? Think about how you get Peace?
John14:25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. 29 I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe.

Jesus will not bring peace when he returns, as he has already given us that.
He returns to as john14:3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. say to unite us with him in heaven.

So do you have biblical verses that support your views about buddhism?
 

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[...] Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.


[...] Jesus will not bring peace when he returns, as he has already given us that.
[...]

So do you have biblical verses that support your views about buddhism?
This is in danger of getting way too complex. If I quote you verses and ask you to see correlations, but your complaint is that the Bible doesn't explicitly say "Jesus gives us enlightenment", then I am just going to waste my time.

The reason is that Jesus gives us "joy", which is greater than "enlightenment" - I am just trying to explain that "joy" - if it is truly joy - does not destroy "enlightenment". If said to you "you have the joy of the Lord, but its not valid because we are supposed to have "joy to the full"", you would be at least a little annoyed right? Well, similar thing.

The point is "enlightenment" to Buddhism, is "joy to the full to us" - it occupies the same theological headspace.
 

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The point is "enlightenment" to Buddhism, is "joy to the full to us" - it occupies the same theological headspace.

enlightenment in buddhism is realizing that buddhism is the way to go, it does not lead one to Jesus and does not bring you closer to God, rather it is taking one away from God.
 

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enlightenment in buddhism is realizing that buddhism is the way to go, it does not lead one to Jesus and does not bring you closer to God, rather it is taking one away from God.
Jesus said "The kingdom of God does not come by observation, for it is within" - if Buddhism says meditate until the light of enlightenment is within, isn't it saying basically the same thing?

Jesus is basically someone who says "I have stopped chasing my own desire"