Trump has abandoned America First

[Riven]

It’s not Paul’s opinion. It is what God inspired Paul to write. If you want to call it an opinion, it should be called God’s opinion.

But if I want your opinion, I'm out of luck.

As for me, my opinion is that what Paul wrote is correct.

Why? That's an opinion no one asked for.

God’s will for them was thwarted by them.

God's will can be thwarted by mere mortals. Imagine that.

I’ve heard you express that opinion several times now.

Because I actually dare to have one. I don't just defer to some 2,000 year old dead scribe.

Spoken like someone who values their own will above God’s will.

It matters enough to be judged, does it not?

“Not my will but your will be done.” Spoken by someone who submits their own will to the will of another. (You may recall that this is what the Messiah said in prayer to his God and Father.)

Easy for him to say. He was never at any risk of being dead forever.

God has given you free will to make the decision that you’ve made. It will be judged and you will receive either reward or punishment.

Finally we have an opinion.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

The OP is playing off of the MSN claims to that effect.

Trump refutes Tucker Carlson’s criticism he abandoned ‘America First’ by supporting Israel: ‘I decide’

President Trump rejected rightwing pundit Tucker Carlson’s withering criticism that he is ditching America First principles through his support for Israel amid its military campaign against I…

nypost.com

And the accusation is old news .

 

[Matthias]

But if I want your opinion, I'm out of luck.


Why? That's an opinion no one asked for.


God's will can be thwarted by mere mortals. Imagine that.


Because I actually dare to have one. I don't just defer to some 2,000 year old dead scribe.


It matters enough to be judged, does it not?


Easy for him to say. He was never at any risk of being dead forever.


Finally we have an opinion.

You’re all over the place. What has happened to you? Are you quanked?

 

[Riven]

You’re all over the place. What has happened to you?

Nothing has happened to me. We are having a discussion. You asked earlier if the cat had my tongue. Now I return and you think there's something wrong.

 

[Matthias]

Nothing has happened to me. We are having a discussion. You asked earlier if the cat had my tongue. Now I return and you think there's something wrong.

I do think something is wrong, but not because you returned.

 

[Riven]

I do think something is wrong, but not because you returned.

What do you think is wrong?

 

[Matthias]

What do you think is wrong?

You’re usually a clear thinker. Look at your post saying I haven’t expressed my opinion, if you want my opinion you’re out of luck, no one asked for my opinion, finally I gave you my opinion …

I’m quanked. Goodnight.

 

[Riven]

You’re usually a clear thinker. Look at your post saying I haven’t expressed my opinion, if you want my opinion you’re out of luck, no one asked for my opinion, finally I gave you my opinion …

I’m quanked. Goodnight.

You haven't expressed your opinion. You defer to a 2,000 year old dead man. I ask the other members of the forum, am I right or am I wrong?

You say that God decides who the political leaders are. I say, why should we vote then? To which you say we have "limited freewill". What the hell does that mean?

If anyone is all over the place, it's you. Matthias, pretend like it's your old classroom and I'm one of your students. Would you be satisfied with this exchange in front of the other students?

 

[Matthias]

Matthias, pretend like it's your old classroom and I'm one of your students. Would you be satisfied with this exchange in front of the other students?

If this were my old classroom and you were one of my students, this exchange would not have occurred in front of the other students.

You have neither time for nor interest in spending 10 minutes daily reading Jesus. The College Dean of Academics would ask you to explain privately in the College Registrar’s office why you are in my classroom and then they would decide, with input from me, whether or not to allow you to remain there.

But this isn’t my old classroom; you aren’t one of my students and I’m not your teacher. The only person you have to give an answer to concerning your decision to publicly engage in casual conversation with me here is yourself.

 

[Riven]

If this were my old classroom and you were one of my students, this exchange would not have occurred in front of the other students.

You have neither time for nor interest in spending 10 minutes daily reading Jesus. The College Dean of Academics would ask you to explain privately in the College Registrar’s office why you are in my classroom and then they would decide, with input from me, whether or not to allow you to remain there.

But this isn’t my old classroom; you aren’t one of my students and I’m not your teacher. The only person you have to give an answer to concerning your decision to publicly engage in casual conversation with me here is yourself.

So really no different than an average day for me in school. When I was in the Christian school, my teacher believed in collectively punishing everyone in the class for the misdeeds of one.

Well it was a bit too much like original sin to me; I did nothing wrong and I thought it was unfair. So she tells everyone to take out a piece of paper and begin writing a sentence over and over again until she says to stop.

She saw I didn't take out any paper. Not even a pencil. So she asks me if I'm going to write and I say no. Then she told me to go to the principal's office. I said okay.

I got a detention, but I didn't have to write some stupid sentence several hundred times. Plus, I was innocent of any wrongdoing. So I feel my actions were justified.

 

[Matthias]

So really no different than an average day for me in school. When I was in the Christian school, my teacher believed in collectively punishing everyone in the class for the misdeeds of one.

Well it was a bit too much like original sin to me; I did nothing wrong and I thought it was unfair. So she tells everyone to take out a piece of paper and begin writing a sentence over and over again until she says to stop.

She saw I didn't take out any paper. Not even a pencil. So she asks me if I'm going to write and I say no. Then she told me to go to the principal's office. I said okay.

I got a detention, but I didn't have to write some stupid sentence several hundred times. Plus, I was innocent of any wrongdoing. So I feel my actions were justified.

History, yours, repeating itself. You didn’t belong in that Christian school and you wouldn’t have belonged in my old College classroom. What I admire about you is the honesty and openness about your self awareness: Self above God and Messiah.

 

[Nancy]

The "powers that be" have gotten it over all people, SMH WEDGE issues are always in the forefront of the so called "news". And that leaves us blinded and distracted CONSTANTLY while the real dirty underbelly of politics is working in tandem with Satan. Mix some truth with mostly lies...too many are gullible for sure. They know exactly what they are doing and nothing but lies and more lies. TRUST NO MAN. So sad and they think they are lifting up a "Christian" in the W.H.???!!!! Please! He is as evil as evil is. So, keep on with the one or two issue thang you all have going on with abortion and the gay issues while we implode from within. Those who were originally to run for office way back when...were intended to be our peers...what we have are a bunch of thieves who care not a thing about the little people, they are so very far removed from all but the rich as they have gotten rich on our dime. Yikes, open your eyes people! You are tossing the baby out with the bathwater. We need to stand on issues not party!
Lord help us.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The "powers that be" have gotten it over all people, SMH WEDGE issues are always in the forefront of the so called "news". And that leaves us blinded and distracted CONSTANTLY while the real dirty underbelly of politics is working in tandem with Satan. Mix some truth with mostly lies...too many are gullible for sure. They know exactly what they are doing and nothing but lies and more lies. TRUST NO MAN. So sad and they think they are lifting up a "Christian" in the W.H.???!!!! Please! He is as evil as evil is. So, keep on with the one or two issue thang you all have going on with abortion and the gay issues while we implode from within. Those who were originally to run for office way back when...were intended to be our peers...what we have are a bunch of thieves who care not a thing about the little people, they are so very far removed from all but the rich as they have gotten rich on our dime. Yikes, open your eyes people! You are tossing the baby out with the bathwater. We need to stand on issues not party!
Lord help us.

Anyone with half a Christian heart would see the wisdom of your words.

How many people, no matter what nation they inhabit, have fallen for the masquerade of democracy?

Was it ever government “of the people, by the people and for the people? Look back and see that politics has always divided the population because those representing the people were given power that corrupted them. The system was as flawed as any other form of human rulership ever exercised.

By handing the world over to the devil, (Luke 4:5-7) who desired to be its god and ruler, every single form of human rulership has failed....none more spectacularly than democracy.
God knew what he was doing by showing us all where bad leadership takes us. Real life is experience drives home what God wanted to teach us all along.....we were never designed to rule ourselves...and no matter what form that rulership took, it failed to bring peace and security to mankind. Power corrupts....always.

Man’s rulership was always upheld by a load of propaganda and those who swallowed it. But victory in both sides of any political campaign depended on who could tell their lies more convincingly, because the political promises were always empty......the system itself was flawed in that those in power were there by the vote of the ones who were swayed by their propaganda. The ones who voted for the opposition were left defeated....and thus unhappy and insecure.

Any wonder Jesus told his disciples not to be any part of that world. (John 18:36)

Do we see who has a say in what portion of the God-given provisions others will have?
By getting control of the world’s necessities one nation can force its rule on others. How true the words of Zechariah 14:13... ‘Every man’s hand is against his neighbor.’ How often have we seen it? Divisions rob the world of peace, and domination of one group over another breeds resentment...hatred and violence.

The rulers of a nation may boast that they ‘are massing this wealth and power so that you, the people, may have security’. Has the United Nations organization, with all its potential accumulated power, ever brought about that security. Have the “peace keepers” ever brought about peace?

Jesus said “happy are the peace makers”.....so, what is the difference between a “peace keeper” and a “peace maker”? The latter have no weapons because they begin by making peace with their neighbors, never taking sides in politics or religious hatred or bloodshed. By talking a neutral position, they can “let go and let God”...as the saying goes. After all, nothing takes place in this world without his permission and for a reason that is already made clear in the Scriptures.

God is giving the human race “enough rope”.....to see where flawed human rulership has taken them, no matter what system of government was imposed...it has all ended in disaster.

God is about to call them all to an accounting for what they have done to his earth, and to his true worshippers.
We can allow God to do what he has told us will take place in the near future as we see the whole world now politically, economically, religiously and ecologically, falling to pieces. They will offer their “one world government” as a solution to peace and security....the Bible says that will be an empty promise. (1 Thess 5:2-6)

God’s Kingdom is the solution.....not any kingdom of man under the devil’s influence.
It will “come” and put an end to flawed human rulership directed by the devil. (Dan 2:44)

How many pray the Lord’s Prayer......”thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”....?
Do they know what they are praying for?

There were only ever two options given to us, right from the beginning.....do things God’s way....or our own way....which will we choose? Our choices will determine our future.

 

[bdavidc]

Almost 65,000 people dead and counting. That's not a war. Gaza has been reduced to rubble. These are unlivable conditions. If the goal of the Israeli government is to destroy Hamas, then the Israeli leadership is either extremely incompetent, or they're lying about their intentions.

Hamas should not have gone into Israel and murdered over a thousand people. Period. That kind of violence is evil because God forbids the shedding of innocent blood ~Exodus 20:13. Scripture is clear that terrorism, cruelty, and slaughter are the works of darkness, not righteousness ~Romans 13:3 through 4. No amount of political spin can justify what God Himself calls wicked.

 

[bdavidc]

When you attack another country militarily, that's war. He's attacked multiple countries since returning to office. Sure, he hasn't put boots on the ground. But is that really what war is now? If China were to attack the U.S. with a missle strike, would Trump consider that an act of war? Of course he would.

You are mixing two different things. Responding to evil actions with targeted force is not the same as starting a war. Scripture makes a distinction between unjust aggression and just defense. God gave civil authorities the sword to restrain evil and punish wrongdoing ~Romans 13:4. President Trump has not launched a new war. He has responded to threats so American soldiers do not end up in long, endless conflicts. That is not war-mongering. That is preventing greater bloodshed.

If China fired missiles at us, of course it would be an act of war. Everyone knows that. But that has nothing to do with what President Trump has done. What you are doing is stretching definitions to keep a narrative alive. Let’s stay with facts, not assumptions.

 

[bdavidc]

The United States gives Israel around 4 billion dollars in aid annually. I think that money would be better spent in the United States for the benefit of Americans.

You are acting like President Trump is the reason America supports Israel. That is simply false. The United States has supported Israel for decades under both parties. The annual aid package is not something President Trump invented. What he did do was make sure our support was based on strength, not weakness, and on moral clarity, not political games.

And let’s be honest. Blaming Israel for America’s problems is just lazy. The government wastes far more money on abortion funding, gender ideology, and programs that mock God’s design ~Genesis 1:27, ~Romans 1:26 through 27, ~Exodus 20:13. Four billion dollars to an ally in the Middle East is not why our schools are failing, our border is open, or inflation hit families so hard. Those came from policies that rejected wisdom and sowed chaos ~Proverbs 14:34.

President Trump is not the problem here. The problem is a culture and a political class that pour mountains of money into sin, confusion, and agendas that destroy families. Israel is not draining America. The real drain has been leaders who call evil good and good evil ~Isaiah 5:20.

If you want to argue about spending, at least aim at the truth, not a talking point.

 

[bdavidc]

I'm surprised the American public voted Mr Trump in. My evaluation of the man right from the outset was and is that he is untruthful.
That said, I'm not really that surprised. The 'diet' fed Americans and exported to the rest of the world is one of showmanship. In other words, a front to conceal truth.

You don’t get it. You don’t understand why so many Americans voted for President Trump. You really can’t because you only see showmanship. The reason many voted for him is because we the people are tired of leaders who advocate for and promote the murder of unborn babies ~Exodus 20: 13, who twist gender and marriage ~Genesis 1:27 and ~Romans 1:26-27, who put men in women’s sports and call it equality when God is not a God of confusion ~1 Corinthians 14:33, who corrupt children with perversion, who silence Christians when they speak truth ~Acts 5:29, and who celebrate sin instead of calling people to repentance.

You can say President Trump is untruthful, but that doesn’t change the fact that many in America are done with an agenda that is shaking its fist at God. People voted for a man who would stand against that tidal wave instead of bowing before it. The real issue here is not showmanship.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Indeed, by their fruits you shall know them.

For instance, Karoline Leavitt, is wealthy.
She is married into privilege.
She could work anywhere.

Yet she chooses to lie, to fawn over a convicted sexual abuser and felon, to mock due process.

She chooses to defend the illegal deportation of asylum seekers to foreign prisons and
to brush off the weaponization of the Department of Justice like it’s no big deal.

She prays before her briefings, wears a cross for everybody to see, but her prayers serve no God of mercy.

Yes, by their fruits YOU shall know them.

Behold,one of those very Trolls.

 

[bdavidc]

So your preference is a man who is untruthful to a woman who supports transgender?

Anything would be better than Harris. Let’s be honest. Her record is full of things God calls evil. She zealously defends the slaughter of unborn babies ~Exodus 20:13. She champions gender confusion that God labels rebellion against His creation ~Genesis 1:27. She promotes ideologies that tear down the family God designed ~Genesis 2:24. She advocates policies that crucify righteousness and elevate wickedness ~Romans 1:28 through 32. She lies about those who stand for biblical truth and calls good evil and evil good ~Isaiah 5:20.

You may not like everything about President Trump, but the comparison isn’t even close. One platform openly celebrates sin and demands the nation bow to it. The other at least gives us a fighting chance to protect life, parental rights, religious liberty, and the freedom to stand on the Word of God without being silenced.

This isn’t about personalities. It is about righteousness vs. lawlessness. And Scripture is clear that when a nation embraces wickedness, judgment follows ~Proverbs 14:34.

 

[Riven]

Hamas should not have gone into Israel and murdered over a thousand people. Period.

I agree.

You are mixing two different things. Responding to evil actions with targeted force is not the same as starting a war. Scripture makes a distinction between unjust aggression and just defense. God gave civil authorities the sword to restrain evil and punish wrongdoing ~Romans 13:4. President Trump has not launched a new war. He has responded to threats so American soldiers do not end up in long, endless conflicts. That is not war-mongering. That is preventing greater bloodshed.

If China fired missiles at us, of course it would be an act of war. Everyone knows that. But that has nothing to do with what President Trump has done. What you are doing is stretching definitions to keep a narrative alive. Let’s stay with facts, not assumptions.

We bomb countries all the time that have never attacked us. That's an act of war.

You are acting like President Trump is the reason America supports Israel. That is simply false. The United States has supported Israel for decades under both parties. The annual aid package is not something President Trump invented. What he did do was make sure our support was based on strength, not weakness, and on moral clarity, not political games.

And let’s be honest. Blaming Israel for America’s problems is just lazy. The government wastes far more money on abortion funding, gender ideology, and programs that mock God’s design ~Genesis 1:27, ~Romans 1:26 through 27, ~Exodus 20:13. Four billion dollars to an ally in the Middle East is not why our schools are failing, our border is open, or inflation hit families so hard. Those came from policies that rejected wisdom and sowed chaos ~Proverbs 14:34.

President Trump is not the problem here. The problem is a culture and a political class that pour mountains of money into sin, confusion, and agendas that destroy families. Israel is not draining America. The real drain has been leaders who call evil good and good evil ~Isaiah 5:20.

If you want to argue about spending, at least aim at the truth, not a talking point.

It's four billion dollars that could instead go towards America and helping Americans.