Guess you didn't get the Memo. God drowned EVERYONE on Earth, "making them an example"!
All you seem to have is YOUR unBiblical opinions.
Mt 7 Narrow is the way to LIFE and FEW there be who find it!
Doctrine of Predestination
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All you seem to have is YOUR unBiblical opinions.
Mt 7 Narrow is the way to LIFE and FEW there be who find it!
So all you have is personal insults, no Scripture, just like a messenger of Satan! Do you believe the Bible is God's Word?non a non a non. your the conceited errogant one.
No answer expected!
Mans religion teaches contrary to scripture, that Gods predestination is premised on Gods foresight of mans doing something, his works or believing etc, but its not true. Gods predestination is conditioned upon His own Eternal Purpose, the good pleasure of His Will Eph 1:5
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 2
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 2
Actually God predestined ALL men to be conformed to the Image of Jesus Christ.
The calvinites perverted God's Word as usual and turned that in to the claim that God only predestined a few to be saved and surprise - they all happen to be calvinites.
Calvinism is in fact doctrines of demons which is evident seeing how they twist God's Word and ignore large portions of scripture that they don't agree with
Doctrines of demons
That's where people get in to error when they toss the Bible out and start studying writings of carnal men who ignore and twist God's Word to their own destruction and to the destruction of those following them
Love them, as God does, doesn’t He. Or does He. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Pray that God will have mercy on them. For there's no certainty with this, wouldn't you say.
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
We can hope that they end up not being chosen by the Divine Potter to be vessels of wrath fitted to destruction.
If God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory.
They will be one or the other according to Paul, or would it be more correct to say, according to the Potter.
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
I completely believe that God has only predestined a few. As this is what God has communicated through Paul and has found its way to us (in the bible). I definatly don't identify as a calvinist because I know ALL of God's created beings will be reconciled to Him. I don't think that's a Calvinistic belief. But correct me if I'm wrong.
SirJamsalot
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You should read the article Are They Few That Be Saved by BB Warfield. You can find it on the monergism website. I'll summarize it here for you though.
In a nutshell:
Warfield argues that the traditional dogma that only a relatively small number of humans will finally be saved, rests on a misuse of a handful of texts (Matt. 7:13–14; Luke 13:23–24; Matt. 22:14). He shows that in each case Jesus’ purpose is ethical, not statistical: the “narrow gate” passages warn of the difficulty of salvation and the danger of presumption, not the final ratio of saved to lost, and “many are called but few chosen” summarizes the historical response to the gospel in its early stages, not the ultimate outcome of Christ’s kingdom.
Good read if you like "puritan speak" :)
In His Grip,
c.
SirJamsalot
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If we let Paul define his own word “adoption,” it can’t just mean a bar-mitzvah-style coming of age.
Galatians 4:4-7
those who receive adoption were first slaves under the law.
Ephesians 1:5 and 2:3
the same people predestined to adoption were “by nature children of wrath,” not already God’s sons just waiting to grow up.
Romans 8:15-17
Adoption is receiving the Spirit of adoption, crying “Abba, Father,” and becoming heirs - a change from bondage to true sonship.
Whatever Roman or Jewish customs were, Paul’s own letters show that biblical adoption is God taking former slaves and children of wrath and making them His sons and heirs in Christ, not just “graduating” existing sons. For the same reason, I’d be cautious about defining “earnest” from modern real-estate sites; it’s better to let Scripture’s own usage shape our theology than to practice eisegesis by importing outside definitions to tell Paul what he meant.
In His Grip!
c.
Galatians 4:4-7
those who receive adoption were first slaves under the law.
Ephesians 1:5 and 2:3
the same people predestined to adoption were “by nature children of wrath,” not already God’s sons just waiting to grow up.
Romans 8:15-17
Adoption is receiving the Spirit of adoption, crying “Abba, Father,” and becoming heirs - a change from bondage to true sonship.
Whatever Roman or Jewish customs were, Paul’s own letters show that biblical adoption is God taking former slaves and children of wrath and making them His sons and heirs in Christ, not just “graduating” existing sons. For the same reason, I’d be cautious about defining “earnest” from modern real-estate sites; it’s better to let Scripture’s own usage shape our theology than to practice eisegesis by importing outside definitions to tell Paul what he meant.
In His Grip!
c.
Thanks. I have come to see and believe that there are a few people chosen out for a defined purpose, to reign as kings and priests with King Christ in His coming 1000 year kingdom.
The rest will have to wait for a coming age before they are redeemed and reconciled to their Creator.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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What is predestination ?
It is God’s predetermining all reasonable beings, whether angels or men, to an everlasting domain either of salvation or damnation. 1 Thess 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
So predestination is comprised of two aspects:
Election, which is God’s sovereign choosing some men to salvation through Christ. “And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory.” {Rom 9:23} “Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.” {Eph1:5}
Reprobation, which is God’s sovereign choosing some, both men and Angels, to destruction. There are some vessels “to dishonor.” {2 Tim 2:20} “To shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction.” {Rom 9:22} 13
It is God’s predetermining all reasonable beings, whether angels or men, to an everlasting domain either of salvation or damnation. 1 Thess 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
So predestination is comprised of two aspects:
Election, which is God’s sovereign choosing some men to salvation through Christ. “And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory.” {Rom 9:23} “Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.” {Eph1:5}
Reprobation, which is God’s sovereign choosing some, both men and Angels, to destruction. There are some vessels “to dishonor.” {2 Tim 2:20} “To shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction.” {Rom 9:22} 13
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