Is it possible to lose salvation?

[ShineTheLight]

There are many videos out there that give proof that someone can lose their salvation. Stuff on hell testimonies. Those who call themselves Christians. I could post videos over in the testimony section. If anyone is up for them, visit the threads if I do post one.

 

[Marymog]

Jesus is the Rock.
OT Scripture says this.
Jesus never taught what is practiced in the RCC.

Yup, Jesus is the rock. And built upon him were other rocks of The Church; most notably the Apostles. Ancient Christian historical writings from almost 2,000 years ago articulate that. About 1,500 years ago the Protestant Revolution started teaching opposite of that and divided Christianity by starting Protestantism. And those Protestant men divided due to disagreements and divided again and again and again until we get to today.

Your denomination probably teaches some of what the RCC teaches so for you to say "Jesus never taught what is practiced in the RCC" means your denomination is teaching what Jesus never taught.

 

[JLB]

No, I don't believe your interpretation of what Paul was saying. Paul can't save himself or anyone else by his endurance. There is nothing in the bible to support this idea of yours that sinners can save other sinners.

‘This doesn’t say anything about Paul “saving himself”.


Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10


The scripture says… that they also may obtain salvation.

 

[JLB]

Why are you rejecting what God has said and replacing what He said with what you say.

Here is what Jesus taught.


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Who in the world are you saying is excluded from God’s love?

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Yup, Jesus is the rock. And built upon him were other rocks of The Church; most notably the Apostles. Ancient Christian historical writings from almost 2,000 years ago articulate that. About 1,500 years ago the Protestant Revolution started teaching opposite of that and divided Christianity by starting Protestantism. And those Protestant men divided due to disagreements and divided again and again and again until we get to today.

Your denomination probably teaches some of what the RCC teaches so for you to say "Jesus never taught what is practiced in the RCC" means your denomination is teaching what Jesus never taught.

My faith doesn't pray to the dead. My faith doesn't reverse Mary as co-redemptrix. Your pope denied that about her,btw My faith teaches I am Saved by God's grace through faith.And we are sealed by the Holy Spirit forever. Which means no Purgatory. Because our Sins are forgiven.
Our faith and Salvation isn't conditional

So no, RCC faith and practices have nothing to do with my faith or any Protestant practices.

 

[PinSeeker]

Baptism is for one who already had their sins forgiven and been born of the Spirit. Paul made that abundantly clear!

Well, right, in the case of never having been previously baptized.

But as Peter says in Acts 2, the promise is for people of all ages... In Acts 2, in response to the hearers' question, "Brothers, what shall we do?" regarding what the apostles were saying, Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to Himself." God makes the promise, of course.

So, for believers of any age ~ who have been born of the Spirit ~ yes, if they've never been baptized, then yes, they should be.

But even in the case of babies... what's happening is that the believing parents are calling God, in faith, on His promise on behalf of their child and trusting in Him to work in his or her heart ~ that at some time in his or her life God will call them to Himself, as He has promised ~ at the time of his or her appointment.

Baptism is an outward sign and seal of God's Covenant, the New Testament sign and seal, which has replaced the Old Testament sign and seal of the same ~ circumcision, which, as I'm sure you know, was to be performed on... babies/infants. As such, it is a sacrament given to us by God, for our good as well as the... baptize-ee, regardless of age, an outward sign of God's promise of salvation.

One last thing: A differentiation has to be made ~ because Scripture makes it ~ between this outward baptism we're talking about here and inward baptism, which is by the Holy Spirit. This inward baptism is performed by the Spirit at the time of new birth of and by the Holy Spirit Himself. As Jesus said to his disciples and apostles in Acts 1:5, "John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." Of course, He was foretelling them specifically of Pentecost, but this is true for all of us, each at his/her own time.

You see?

Grace and peace to you, Ronald.

There are many videos out there that give proof that someone can lose their salvation.

Well, in the sense that none of us have salvation from birth, so we have all lost it in this sense, yes, agreed. But if God has given a person salvation, given him or her new birth by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 2), made elect of God (Romans 9) and placed in Christ (Romans 8, Galatians 3), then he or she is then of God, no longer of his or her former father the devil, and cannot lose what God has given him ("the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable" ~ Romans 11) ... cannot be separated by anything in all creation, even himself or herself, from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 8:37-39). For any born-again Christian, he or she is "born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for (him/her), who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" (1 Peter 1:3-5).

Stuff on hell testimonies. Those who call themselves Christians. I could post videos over in the testimony section. If anyone is up for them, visit the threads if I do post one.

Regarding "falling away" from the faith, there are many passages from Scripture that could be cited here, but these should be sufficient: "Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God." (Hebrews 3:12) So, the one who falls away was never a believer, never born again of the Spirit. As John says in 1 John 2:18-20, "...many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us."

Grace and peace to you, STL.

 

[BreadOfLife]

[Luk 2:48 KJV] 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

If he had 2 fathers, which seems to be the case, she forgets about God the father.

Seriously?? What an asinine argument.

For all intents and purposes, an adoptive or foster parent is a parent.

[1Pe 5:13 KJV] 13 The [church that is] at Babylon, elected together with [you], saluteth you; and [so doth] Marcus my son.
5:13 Ἀσπάζεται ὑμᾶς ἡ ἐν Βαβυλῶνι συνεκλεκτὴ καὶ Μᾶρκος ὁ υἱός μου

υἱός refers only to biological progeny, including the sons of God.

Another moronic argument . . .
Peter was Mark’s father in Jesus Christ.

To ALL of the Church in Corinth, Paul said:
For I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).
THIS is why Catholics refer to their priests as “Father”.

Dio you actually believe that Paul sire the entire Church in Corinth??
Use your head . . .

Scholars do not understand Babylon still existed, and that the region was instrumental in the beginning of Rabbinical Judaism post temple. Code words are just a silly retcon by silly "church fathers".

The evidence of Peter’s presence in Rome is unanimously testified by the ECFs.

Once again – even the Apostolic Fathers from the FIRST century, like Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch who actually knew him.

And if it weren't for those "silly Church Fathers" - YOU wouldn't even know who Jesus is.
THEY are the ones who passed on the faith and the Scripotures to generations of people - and died for it.

All YOU have are your angry, ignorant little opinions . . .

I am reminded of the claim of the shroud of Turin being authentic.

Whether or not one believes that the shroud is authentic is not that important. The evidence that it IS, however is so overwhelming that it has cause the conversion of some scientists who have investigated it.

Neither claims are true.

I’ll take the word of people who actually knew Peter and were ordained by him over an angry, ignorant anti-Catholic . . .

Jesus does say later that he is the water of life. Both references are Passover related.

The entire context of John 3 is Baptism.
When Jesus is done talking to Nicodemus - WHERE does He go? WHAT does He do??

John 3:22
After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and BAPTIZED.

YOUR problem is that you cherry-pick verses OUT of context to make your arguments.
You’re a very confused person . . .

It means "God is with us". Jesus is not named Immanuel, but it called out to his name. Big difference.

Immanuel isn’t His name – it’s a TITLE. Just like His name wasn’t Jesus Christ.

“Christ” is a TITLE meaning “the Anointed one”.

Since you don't know Greek I won't discuss it further.

No - YOU won’t discuss it because you LOST this argument.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Well, right, in the case of never having been previously baptized.

But as Peter says in Acts 2, the promise is for people of all ages... In Acts 2, in response to the hearers' question, "Brothers, what shall we do?" regarding what the apostles were saying, Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to Himself." God makes the promise, of course.

So, for believers of any age ~ who have been born of the Spirit ~ yes, if they've never been baptized, then yes, they should be.

But even in the case of babies... what's happening is that the believing parents are calling God, in faith, on His promise on behalf of their child and trusting in Him to work in his or her heart ~ that at some time in his or her life God will call them to Himself, as He has promised ~ at the time of his or her appointment.

Baptism is an outward sign and seal of God's Covenant, the New Testament sign and seal, which has replaced the Old Testament sign and seal of the same ~ circumcision, which, as I'm sure you know, was to be performed on... babies/infants. As such, it is a sacrament given to us by God, for our good as well as the... baptize-ee, regardless of age, an outward sign of God's promise of salvation.

One last thing: A differentiation has to be made ~ because Scripture makes it ~ between this outward baptism we're talking about here and inward baptism, which is by the Holy Spirit. This inward baptism is performed by the Spirit at the time of new birth of and by the Holy Spirit Himself. As Jesus said to his disciples and apostles in Acts 1:5, "John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." Of course, He was foretelling them specifically of Pentecost, but this is true for all of us, each at his/her own time.

It is not for people of any age. One has to know what salvation is and have been saved in order to move to Baptism. There is no record of infants being baptized. Ass for Cornelius and the Philippian jailer when it speaks of their household? In that culture and time, a member of the household was considered older and able to render decisions on salvation. Not infants.

"In the context of Jesus' day, the age to be considered a member of the household of faith was likely between 13 and 30 years old.

• Jewish tradition suggests that a boy could begin his religious education at age five and be considered an adult for religious duties at age thirteen.
  
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• Many of Jesus' disciples were fishermen and could have been around 16 or 17 years old when they began following Him.
  
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• The disciples were generally younger than their teacher, indicating they were likely in their late teens or early twenties.
  
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  Thus, it is reasonable to conclude that the disciples of Jesus were in their early teens to mid-teens when they joined Him."

 

[PinSeeker]

It is not for people of any age.

It is; we disagree on that. This is a rhetorical question, but let me just pose this question to you. If the promise is for us and our children ~ it is, according to Peter in Acts 2, as I pointed out, and he specifies no "eligible" age... his silence on that speaks volumes ~ then what "age of eligibility" or demonstrated ability would you... stamp your own personal approval on? Life 5 or 6, or 8 or 9 years of age? Or older? Again, it's a rhetorical question, because it would only be your opinion, but I ask it to make a point to you.

One has to know what salvation is and have been saved in order to move to Baptism.

I understand, but disagree. When Peter says to the men of Jerusalem to have their entire households baptized, he may be requiring them repent and believe to have their entire households baptized, but he is not placing any prerequisite or requirement ~ age or belief ~ on them to receive this sign and seal of (outward) baptism.

There is no record of infants being baptized.

But Peter is speaking to the listeners there regarding their entire households, and presumably at least some of those households represented there by the men he is addressing contain... babies... people of all different ages and abilities.

As for Cornelius and the Philippian jailer when it speaks of their household?

Another great example...

In that culture and time, a member of the household was considered older and able to render decisions on salvation. "In the context of Jesus' day, the age to be considered a member of the household of faith was likely between 13 and 30 years old.

Absolutely not. "The promise is for you and your children and all those who are far off."

Not infants.

"The promise is for you and your children and all those who are far off."

In the context of Jesus' day, the age to be considered a member of the household of faith was likely between 13 and 30 years old.

• Jewish tradition suggests that a boy could begin his religious education at age five and be considered an adult for religious duties at age thirteen.
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• Many of Jesus' disciples were fishermen and could have been around 16 or 17 years old when they began following Him.
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• The disciples were generally younger than their teacher, indicating they were likely in their late teens or early twenties. https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=3b61...0cHM6Ly9iaWJsZXEubmV0L2Fuc3dlci80ODAxLw&ntb=1

All of which are beside the point: "The promise is for you and your children and all those who are far off."

Thus, it is reasonable...

Reasonable does not always equal correct, Ronald. <smile>

...the disciples of Jesus were in their early teens to mid-teens when they joined Him."

This is very likely true, but irrelevant. The disciples joined Jesus quite some time before Peter gave his sermon in Acts 2. And speaking of Jesus, He talked a bit about baptism, too, you know, but He never specified any age or particular ability of which merited baptism ~ even in the famous "let the little children come to Me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven" event described in Matthew 19 ~ and His silence on that also speaks volumes. <smile>

One more time: The sign and seal of God's promise in Old Testament times, circumcision, was given at eight days old, and water baptism has replaced circumcision as the sign and seal of God's promise in New Testament times, our times, so should in the same manner as circumcision be given to people of all ages, even infants, if they have never been baptized before. "The promise is for you and your children and all those who are far off."

Grace and peace to you, Ronald.

 

[Ezra]

There are many videos out there that give proof that someone can lose their salvation. Stuff on hell testimonies. Those who call themselves Christians. I could post videos over in the testimony section. If anyone is up for them, visit the threads if I do post one.

but what does the Bible say ?

 

[Ezra]

Here is what Jesus taught.


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Who in the world are you saying is excluded from God’s love?

he doesnt have a clue

 

[Ezra]

‘This doesn’t say anything about Paul “saving himself”.


Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10


The scripture says… that they also may obtain salvation.

lol he is a true Blue hyper Calvinist.. he just wont admit it

 

[JLB]

lol he is a true Blue hyper Calvinist.. he just wont admit it

‘Why do people follow the teachings of man, rather than the teachings of Jesus Christ?

 

[Muna]

"The promise is for you and your children and all those who are far off."

Here also, if you follow through Acts chapter 2, it begins with

Acts 2:16-18 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will
pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and
they shall prophesy: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy

Following through to here

Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
And ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

And here we see daughters prophesying, which is in accord with the gift of the Spirit, poured out on them and their sons and daughters

Acts 21:8-9 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of
Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did
prophesy.

Not seeing infants there, but the children (sons and daughters) are mentioned earlier in Acts 2 and we also see the daughters of Philip which were given the gift.

 

[Ezra]

‘Why do people follow the teachings of man, rather than the teachings of Jesus Christ?

there are different types of Calvinism jay Vernon McGee is Calvinist but does not teach the junk.

christian solider is living in a fantasy world he does not have a clue he has been trained brain washed much like jehova witness ..

i have dealt with Calvinist there all the same . they wont even say a baby that dies at a infant goes to heaven . its almost like a 3 step program to be saved first God has give you the faith,, then you have to be chosen then you can be saved.. freewill is a nasty word to them

 

[Ezra]

You seem to have some kind of mental disability. I identified my self and you respond with "who are you?". it doesn't get any worse than that

it appears you have either been brainwashed or the cheese has completely slipped off your cracker . the lights on but no body home..

 

[Ezra]

There are many videos out there that give proof that someone can lose their salvation. Stuff on hell testimonies. Those who call themselves Christians. I could post videos over in the testimony section. If anyone is up for them, visit the threads if I do post one.

do you read your bible .. the security of our salvation is all through out the Bible.. here just one 1 peter 1:
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,


5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


now then what this security is NOT a license Or excuse to live a sinful life.. will we sin ? yes will we fall short yes . we also have a advocate then we can bank on 1 john 1:9 . if a person is staying in sin ..no Godly sorrow that bring repentance . using this security to say its ok i still make heaven ...NOT that is not scripture .. but yes we can have eternal security even though that term is not in the scripture . eternal life is . see i said all that with out a video .. why do you need a video ?

 

[rvmb]

I don't have any private views or opinions, about anything in the Bible. God never called anyone to put Him on trial, and look for faults or lies or false doctrines or false promises. Those who do that are an abomination in His sight and Gods wrath abides upon them.

I simply live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, I have never questioned a single thing he has said. I simply trusty and obey Him, and His Spirit leads me into all truth.

I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect you might be holding on to a false gospel. You seem to be suggesting that God lied when He said that salvation is "by grace". I get the sense that you follow the teaching of Jacob Arminius, who taught a false "saved by works" version of the gospel.

Please reveal which of the two you believe, and bare in mind that those scriptures which you referred to, were all exhortations for saved people. None of them spoke about some silly offer of salvation, there was no alter call or invitation in them. You interpreted them as such, ,in a vein attempt to justify your "saved by works false gospel".

 

[rvmb]

""I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect you might be holding on to a false gospel.""
I accept/believe/trust the teachings of Christ through Paul that teach how believers 'today' enter eternal life 'tomorrow'
Christ selected Paul - Acts 9:10-15.
Paul confirms who he is - Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16
As do the other Apostles - Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9.
How is Salvation attained today ? Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4
What are the conditions ? Titus 3:5, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1
It's not a "private view or opinion", it's what's written in the Bible.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Seriously?? What an asinine argument.

Take it up with the bible.

Another moronic argument . . .
Peter was Mark’s father in Jesus Christ.

Again the Greek word uios proves biology. You are just wrong and ignoring prima scriptura.

1 Cor. 4:14–15

Tekna is more related anything born by a surrounding material, and is used in this context. You are simply wrong with this comparison.

Just like His name wasn’t Jesus Christ.

Yes, his name was Jesus, but Immanuel is just a call line and not a name. But you evidently don't understand what I wrote.

No - YOU won’t discuss it because you LOST this argument.

No, it is because I don't tolerate losers who cannot admit they are wrong. You think I am angry because I am using my free speech to destroy your worthless arguments.