A future third temple requires a new prophet

[Davy]

There is no 3rd temple. God isn't visiting it; it is not a rebuild of the old one.

Not to hurt your feelings, but there will be a 3rd stone temple built by the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem for the end of this world for the coming false-Messiah to sit in. Lord Jesus revealed it in Matthew 24:26 with that coming false-Messiah some will say is in the "secret chambers", and Jesus said do not believe it.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, He is in the desert; go not forth: behold, He is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
KJV

(I'm using the 19th British Bible scholar E.W. Bullinger's The Companion Bible, a KJV study Bible. Bullinger capitalized that "He" in those above phrases of Matt.24:26. Was Bullinger correct to do that? I say yes, because even Dr. James Strong recognized Lord Jesus above was speaking of a SINGULAR false-Christ, and not "false Christs" plural like the KJV translators made it. Dr. Strong defined the Greek for "false Christs" as 'a spurious Messiah' in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't disagree with your arguments.

Yet, you still want to disagree with me about something because God forbid you just agree with me about something.

So let me ask this. In 70 AD when the 2nd temple was destroyed, was it still the temple of God?

No.

Because if it wasn't, how can you reasonably argue that an AOD can't take place in future literal temple since it is not the temple of God, but in 70 AD a literal temple that was also not the temple of God, and AOD can place in it and then did?

I have gone over this with you MANY times, so why are you still asking me about this? Did you not ever read any of my previous answers to that question when you've asked me? What would be the point of me answering this question yet again, knowing you will either ignore my answer or soon forget it?

You can't use the argument, that when Jesus said that, the 2nd temple was still the temple of God.

Yes, I can and i have. If you don't accept it, whatever. I couldn't care less. But, why are you acting as if I've never addressed this with you before when I have MANY times?

What He said involved prophecy. Prophecy predicts events in the future.

You can you refer to something that exists at the time the prophecy is given by what it is known as at the time and still prophesy about it at a time when it no longer is called the same thing. I don't buy your argument at all that Jesus making a prophecy about what at the time was still the temple of God means that when the prophecy was fulfilled it has to still be considered the temple of God. I've already told you this MANY times, so explain to me why you want to repeat a discussion we've already had MANY times? Were all the other times I explained this to you not enough for you or do you just not remember any of those MANY times I've explained my view of this to you?

Therefore, you come across as hypocritical here when you are arguing that a literal temple in the future can't be the temple of God but a literal temple in 70 AD can be. Except neither view remotely agrees with 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and what all that verse is connected with.

You are making an utter fool of yourself. Do you just enjoy that or something? I do NOT claim that the literal, physical temple that was still standing in 70 AD before being destroyed was the temple of God. What you're saying would only be true if I claimed that, but I don't.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Not to hurt your feelings, but there will be a 3rd stone temple built by the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem for the end of this world for the coming false-Messiah to sit in. Lord Jesus revealed it in Matthew 24:26 with that coming false-Messiah some will say is in the "secret chambers", and Jesus said do not believe it.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, He is in the desert; go not forth: behold, He is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
KJV

(I'm using the 19th British Bible scholar E.W. Bullinger's The Companion Bible, a KJV study Bible. Bullinger capitalized that "He" in those above phrases of Matt.24:26. Was Bullinger correct to do that? I say yes, because even Dr. James Strong recognized Lord Jesus above was speaking of a SINGULAR false-Christ, and not "false Christs" plural like the KJV translators made it. Dr. Strong defined the Greek for "false Christs" as 'a spurious Messiah' in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.)

You are not delusional, but you are wrong. The orthodox are so lame such that they need a temple. And an antichrist is someone who pretends to be the final messiah including Herod. Since oil instead of flammables are used now, I am not worried about and ante-christ or that modern orthodox Jews know what they are talking about. Modern Jerusalem was a Roman or Midevil city that claimed Jesus to be the God. You can't convince me any of it was Jewish, but it seems related to the crusades.

 

[Scott Downey]

About the indwelling Spirit of God
When Jesus walked with His disciples on earth, that indwelling was still future.

Bible Gateway passage: John 14 - New King James Version

The Way, the Truth, and the Life - “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive...

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Jesus Promises Another Helper​

15 “If you love Me, [d]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Indwelling of the Father and the Son​

19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and [f]manifest Myself to him.”

22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”

23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

The Gift of His Peace​

25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the [g]Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because [h]I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

29 “And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe. 30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here.

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After Jesus went back to the Father, He pours out the Holy Spirit for the church.
He came back to them, as the Holy Spirit and forever dwells with His people as we are now the temple of the living God, never anymore some kind of building, as if a building, made by hands, COULD EVER CONTAIN THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD!

 

[Scott Downey]

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Kings 8 - New King James Version

The Ark Brought into the Temple - Now Solomon assembled the elders of Israel and all the heads of the tribes, the chief fathers of the children of Israel, to King Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of the Lord from the City of David, which is Zion. Therefore...

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Solomon’s Prayer of Dedication​

22 Then Solomon stood before the altar of the Lord in the presence of all the assembly of Israel, and spread out his hands toward heaven; 23 and he said: “Lord God of Israel, there is no God in heaven above or on earth below like You, who keep Your covenant and mercy with Your servants who walk before You with all their hearts. 24 You have kept what You promised Your servant David my father; You have both spoken with Your mouth and fulfilled it with Your hand, as it is this day. 25 Therefore, Lord God of Israel, now keep what You promised Your servant David my father, saying, ‘You shall not fail to have a man sit before Me on the throne of Israel, only if your sons take heed to their way, that they walk before Me as you have walked before Me.’ 26 And now I pray, O God of Israel, let Your word come true, which You have spoken to Your servant David my father.

27 “But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built! 28 Yet regard the prayer of Your servant and his supplication, O Lord my God, and listen to the cry and the prayer which Your servant is praying before You today: 29 that Your eyes may be open toward this [f]temple night and day, toward the place of which You said, ‘My name shall be there,’ that You may hear the prayer which Your servant makes toward this place. 30 And may You hear the supplication of Your servant and of Your people Israel, when they pray toward this place. Hear in heaven Your dwelling place; and when You hear, forgive.

31 “When anyone sins against his neighbor, and is forced to take an oath, and comes and takes an oath before Your altar in this temple, 32 then hear in heaven, and act, and judge Your servants, condemning the wicked, bringing his way on his head, and justifying the righteous by giving him according to his righteousness.

Jeremiah 23:24
Can anyone hide himself in secret places, So I shall not see him?” says the Lord; “Do I not fill heaven and earth?” says the Lord.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

About the indwelling Spirit of God
When Jesus walked with His disciples on earth, that indwelling was still future.

Bible Gateway passage: John 14 - New King James Version

The Way, the Truth, and the Life - “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive...

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Jesus Promises Another Helper​

15 “If you love Me, [d]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Indwelling of the Father and the Son​

19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and [f]manifest Myself to him.”

22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”

23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

The Gift of His Peace​

25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the [g]Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because [h]I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

29 “And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe. 30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
After Jesus went back to the Father, He pours out the Holy Spirit for the church.
He came back to them, as the Holy Spirit and forever dwells with His people as we are now the temple of the living God, never anymore some kind of building, as if a building, made by hands, COULD EVER CONTAIN THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD!

Agree completely. Also, scripture is clear that God is done dwelling in temples made with hands. Why would He ever do that again when He can dwell in us instead? What do people who think there will be a third physical temple of God not understand about verses like these...

Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

 

[Scott Downey]

2 Samuel 7:6 - Bible Gateway

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He never actually did dwell in a temple made with hands, but He did walk among His people.

He said His name would be there in the temple and the temple was Holy because of His great Name.

2 Samuel 7:6 records God’s words to David, reminding him that He has never dwelt in a permanent house but has always moved with His people in a tent and tabernacle. The verse emphasizes God’s presence with Israel in their journey and shows that He is not confined to human structures

KJ21
For I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle.
ASV
for I have not dwelt in a house since the day that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle.

GNV
For I have dwelt in no house since the time that I brought the children of Israel out of Egypt unto this day, but have walked in a tent and Tabernacle.

CSB
From the time I brought the Israelites out of Egypt until today I have not dwelt in a house; instead, I have been moving around with a tent as my dwelling.
CSBA
From the time I brought the Israelites out of Egypt until today I have not dwelt in a house; instead, I have been moving around with a tent as my dwelling.
CEB
In fact, I haven’t lived in a temple from the day I brought Israel out of Egypt until now. Instead, I have been traveling around in a tent and in a dwelling.
CJB
Since the day I brought the people of Isra’el out of Egypt until today, I never lived in a house; rather, I traveled in a tent and a tabernacle.
CEV
I didn't live in a temple when I brought my people out of Egypt, and I don't live in one now. A tent has always been my home wherever I have gone with them.

 

[covenantee]

Not to hurt your feelings, but there will be a 3rd stone temple built by the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem for the end of this world for the coming false-Messiah to sit in. Lord Jesus revealed it in Matthew 24:26 with that coming false-Messiah some will say is in the "secret chambers", and Jesus said do not believe it.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, He is in the desert; go not forth: behold, He is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
KJV

(I'm using the 19th British Bible scholar E.W. Bullinger's The Companion Bible, a KJV study Bible. Bullinger capitalized that "He" in those above phrases of Matt.24:26. Was Bullinger correct to do that? I say yes, because even Dr. James Strong recognized Lord Jesus above was speaking of a SINGULAR false-Christ, and not "false Christs" plural like the KJV translators made it. Dr. Strong defined the Greek for "false Christs" as 'a spurious Messiah' in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.)

Debunked.

I thought you said you weren't dispensational.

Bullinger is as dispensational as it gets.

In fact his, called "bullingerism", is AKA "ultradispensationalism".

The epitome of cultic indoctrination.

Do you reject Baptism and the Lord's Supper, as bullingerites do?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

2 Samuel 7:6 - Bible Gateway

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He never actually did dwell in a temple made with hands, but He did walk among His people.

Not permanently, no. Did you think I was implying that when I said He is done dwelling in temples made with hands? I didn't intend to imply that He has ever permanently dwelt in temples made with hands. He never has.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Debunked.

I thought you said you weren't dispensational.

Bullinger is as dispensational as it gets.

In fact his is called "bullingerism", AKA "ultradispensationalism".

The epitome of cultic indoctrination.

Do you reject Baptism and the Lord's Supper, as bullingerites do?

He also tries to claim he's not a futurist. If he's not a futurist, then no one is.

 

[quietthinker]

A future third temple requires a new profit.​

 

[Scott Downey]

Not permanently, no. Did you think I was implying that when I said He is done dwelling in temples made with hands? I didn't intend to imply that He has ever permanently dwelt in temples made with hands. He never has.

God never dwelled in a human made temple.
That may confuse people who have been told He did.
God can and did manifest His presence in various places on earth, But He never lived there as His 'home'.
I do not believe you can support that idea from any scripture, but you can show the opposite.

Isaiah 66:1 — “Heaven is My throne, and the earth is My footstool. Where is the house you will build for Me? And where is My resting place?”

Acts 7
44 “Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as He appointed, instructing Moses to make it according to the pattern that he had seen, 45 which our fathers, having received it in turn, also brought with Joshua into the land possessed by the Gentiles, whom God drove out before the face of our fathers until the days of David, 46 who found favor before God and asked to find a dwelling for the God of Jacob. 47 But Solomon built Him a house.

48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:

49 ‘Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
Or what is the place of My rest?
50 Has My hand not made all these things?’

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

 

[Davy]

You are not delusional, but you are wrong. The orthodox are so lame such that they need a temple. And an antichrist is someone who pretends to be the final messiah including Herod.

You didn't start that above idea, it's from a doctrine of men that's been used as an excuse to get brethren to look away from Jerusalem about the end that is actually written about in God's Word, and instead look to Rome and a pope, etc.

Just so you know, those you are listening to about that got that idea from the "synagogue of Satan" crept in unawares. That's who will setup the coming false-Messiah in Jerusalem for the end, which will cause the 3rd stone temple to be built in Jerusalem for him to sit in.

What this means per God's written Word, is that even among the unbelieving Jews today, there is a group among them in high position as leaders that actually represent Satan's elect and work for him, and they are not of the true bloodline of Israel. Jesus revealed this group in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. Jude revealed them in Jude 4. (For example, per 1 Chronicles 2:55, a foreign people from the land of Canaan called Kenites became Israel's scribes, and were one of the groups that joined with the particular Pharisees that wanted Jesus executed.)

For the end, just as those blind Pharisees and scribes stirred up the Jews to agree to have Lord Jesus crucified, they also will be behind setting up the coming false-Christ as king in Jerusalem, and re-institute old covenant worship there again, which means temple worship with sacrifices. This event is actually revealed in the Daniel 11 chapter about those Jews who make the "league" with the "vile person". That symbolic "vile person" represents the coming false-Messiah in Jerusalem for the end, i.e., the Antichrist.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God never dwelled in a human made temple.
That may confuse people who have been told He did.
God can and did manifest His presence in various places on earth, But He never lived there as His 'home'.

Right. That's why I said "no, not permanently". I was agreeing with you. He has never permanently dwelt in a temple made with hands, but He was spiritually in the presence of the high priest in the most holy place of the temple on the day of atonement each year when the high priest entered there. Those were obviously just temporary visits by God to the temple, if you will, and He never actually dwelt there permanently or even for any significant length of time at all.

I do not believe you can support that idea from any scripture, but you can show the opposite.

I don't, either, which is why I was agreeing with you about this.

Isaiah 66:1 — “Heaven is My throne, and the earth is My footstool. Where is the house you will build for Me? And where is My resting place?”

Acts 7
44 “Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as He appointed, instructing Moses to make it according to the pattern that he had seen, 45 which our fathers, having received it in turn, also brought with Joshua into the land possessed by the Gentiles, whom God drove out before the face of our fathers until the days of David, 46 who found favor before God and asked to find a dwelling for the God of Jacob. 47 But Solomon built Him a house.

48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:

49 ‘Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
Or what is the place of My rest?
50 Has My hand not made all these things?’

Yep.

 

[CTK]

Right. That's why I said "no, not permanently". I was agreeing with you. He has never permanently dwelt in a temple made with hands, but He was spiritually in the presence of the high priest in the most holy place of the temple on the day of atonement each year when the high priest entered there. Those were obviously just temporary visits by God to the temple, if you will, and He never actually dwelt there permanently or even for any significant length of time at all.


I don't, either, which is why I was agreeing with you about this.


Yep.

I think the only place one might contend that God does dwell with man on a pernanent basis is when we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior and have His Holy Spirit live within us.... but I know what you meant...

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I think the only place one might contend that God does dwell with man on a pernanent basis is when we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior and have His Holy Spirit live within us....

Of course. I didn't say He never permanently dwells in a temple at all, I said "He has never permanently dwelt in a temple made with hands". Obviously, I was referring to physical temple buildings made by human hands there.

but I know what you meant...

Okay.

 

[Davy]

I think the only place one might contend that God does dwell with man on a pernanent basis is when we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior and have His Holy Spirit live within us.... but I know what you meant...

You both are showing disbelief in that part of God's written Word. The Father Himself will also dwell on earth with us. It is written, and it is written that He even dwelt here on earth before Adam and Eve sinned.

The idea that The Father has no 'substance', shape or form, is an idea that comes from the pagan doctrine of Pantheism. They believe that God is everything because He is in everything, the trees, the rocks, the bugs, thus they worship the creature instead of worshiping Him, like Paul said in Romans 1.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

A future third temple requires a new profit.

Yes, they'll probably be charging admission to get in to receive deception so they can make a profit from the endeavor.