Are the promises in John 14:12-14 true?

[Ezra]

I hesitated but eventually went to the elder of our Church, he was surprised, nobody ever asked him, it was new for him, but he agreed. So I was anointed exactly following James 5:14:15 and was healed, no more colds.

i have seen that take place its all bible

 

[St. SteVen]

Don't.

Don't is a contraction of do not.
Won't is a contraction of will not.
Can't is a contraction of can not. (cannot)

 

[St. SteVen]

i have seen that take place its all bible

Does it happen because of Christian authority?

 

[Cyd]

μένω

1. to remain, abide
   1. in reference to place
      1. to sojourn, tarry
      2. not to depart
         1. to continue to be present
         2. to be held, kept, continually
   2. in reference to time
      1. to continue to be, not to perish, to last, endure
         1. of persons, to survive, live
   3. in reference to state or condition
      1. to remain as one, not to become another or different
2. to wait for, await one

I long time ago, in the long-defunct Ekklesia forum, I started a thread on what it means to be "IN Christ". That and the prayer request for my son are the only threads I've ever started myself, and both get brought up in this one. Full circle.

Hi Lambano,
To me this scripture required 2 things abiding was one but it says "and" requiring Christs words to be in you:
John 15:7 (KJV) If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

That to me was the key, most quote Paul not Christ or out of the mouth of God. Now @St. SteVen he started with quoting Jesus but didn't maybe notice teaching continued in the next chapter spelling things out clearer at least was how I saw it. If you search the KJV for "my words" "my sayings" the Lord mentions them more than just this once. All I can say is it changed my prayer life.
God Bless you for doing some digging.

 

[St. SteVen]

Now @St. SteVen he started with quoting Jesus but didn't maybe notice teaching continued in the next chapter spelling things out clearer at least was how I saw it.

I think that is what @Lambano was referring to as "the fine print". (the hidden clause)

 

[ProDeo]

i have seen that take place its all bible

And with a 100% positive result ?

 

[St. SteVen]

And with a 100% positive result ?

Exactly. ???

If I follow the recipe when I am cooking I get the desired result.

If I follow the directions when I am assembling something I get the desired result.

If I meet the Bible requirements for ministry I get nothing.

What's wrong with this picture?

If the cooking doesn't turn out, I'm told it's a bad recipe.

If my assembling doesn't turn out, I'm told it's a bad product.

If the ministry doesn't work, I'm told it's my fault.

 

[St. SteVen]

If the ministry doesn't work, I'm told it's my fault.

What did I do wrong?
- Perhaps I'm not "really" a believer?
- Could I be MORE of a believer? (sure)
- Am I enough of a believer to participate in miracles? (who knows?)
- Or maybe I'm not REALLY living totally "in Jesus' name"?
- Could I be living MORE "in Jesus' name"? (sure)
- Am I living enough "in Jesus' name" to participate in miracles? (who knows?)

What sort of game is this? Reminds me of the broad and narrow gate game. (few find it)

 

[Ezra]

And with a 100% positive result ?

why would i say i have seen this and it not be positive results

 

[Ezra]

Exactly. ???

If I follow the recipe when I am cooking I get the desired result.

If I follow the directions when I am assembling something I get the desired result.

If I meet the Bible requirements for ministry I get nothing.

What's wrong with this picture?

If the cooking doesn't turn out, I'm told it's a bad recipe.

If my assembling doesn't turn out, I'm told it's a bad product.

If the ministry doesn't work, I'm told it's my fault.

so its your point that if you pray in Jesus name for someone to be healed ..its guaranteed results ? this is far as i go with my comment till i see the answer

 

[Ezra]

Does it happen because of Christian authority?

it happens because God did the healing ...NOT man

 

[complete]

I've been suppressing my level of disappointment for some time.
- We are promised to do greater things than Jesus did.
- And whatever we ask in His name, He will do it. (sigh)

'Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that believeth on me,
the works that I do shall he do also;
and greater works than these shall he do;
because I go unto my Father.
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
that will I do,
that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
(Joh 14:12-14)

Hello @St SteVen,

It is necessary to ask to whom these words were spoken. at what time, with what intent, and in what circumstance, considering what comes before, and what follows after.

The twelve did go on to perform miracles, by the power of God, and to do many wonderful things in Jesus name.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[St. SteVen]

The twelve did go on to perform miracles, by the power of God, and to do many wonderful things in Jesus name.

What happened to "He that believeth on me,"
Does that only include the twelve?

 

[complete]

What happened to "He that believeth on me,"
Does that only include the twelve?

'Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that believeth on me,
the works that I do shall he do also;
and greater works than these shall he do;
because I go unto my Father.
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
that will I do,
that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
(Joh 14:12-14)

Hello again,

i believe that it was time related. The context is all: It is not relative to believers generally, in any dispensation other than that in which they found themselves at the time these words were spoken, and in the approx. forty years that followed the crucifixion. in which many were martyred, and others performed the ministries they were called upon to perform under very difficult circumstances. They would need the assurance these words gave, and I am sure the ascended Lord kept His word to them, though it went un-recorded.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[St. SteVen]

i believe that it was time related. The context is all: It is not relative to believers generally, in any dispensation other than that in which they found themselves at the time these words were spoken, and in the approx. forty years that followed the crucifixion.

I'm sorry, that's ridiculous.

 

[Cyd]

Exactly. ???

If I follow the recipe when I am cooking I get the desired result.

If I follow the directions when I am assembling something I get the desired result.

If I meet the Bible requirements for ministry I get nothing.

What's wrong with this picture?

If the cooking doesn't turn out, I'm told it's a bad recipe.

If my assembling doesn't turn out, I'm told it's a bad product.

If the ministry doesn't work, I'm told it's my fault.

SteVen, what kind of ministry are you in? Are you a Pastor or elder? Can you give example? There was one the disciples couldn't heal Jesus told them why. So are we talking about healing? Also, I was shocked to find out it is my responsibility to call the church and elders for them to anoint me with oil and to pray the prayer of faith. Also that it provides forgiveness of sins.

James 5:14-15 (KJV) Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

If it is healing you are talking about, let me ask you a question, can an individual receive healing if they really think it was for the 12 chosen and not for them? If the faith to believe is missing shouldn't we ask as this man did to help his unbelief?
Mark 9:24 (KJV) And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
I think Jesus helped his unbelief.

 

[David in NJ]

You can always ask but you know for sure it's by Jesus' power and authority when it happens.

The LORD Jesus Christ healed me of cancer = without doctors/hospital/medicine = without organized religion

@St. SteVen - A person recovers from organized religion when that person believes the words of God and is set FREE by the TRUTH

 

[shepherdsword]

The LORD Jesus Christ healed me of cancer = without doctors/hospital/medicine = without organized religion

@St. SteVen - A person recovers from organized religion when that person believes the words of God and is set FREE by the TRUTH

Sounds like the power of Jesus gave you the gift of healing.

 

[David in NJ]

'Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that believeth on me,
the works that I do shall he do also;
and greater works than these shall he do;
because I go unto my Father.
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
that will I do,
that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
(Joh 14:12-14)

Hello @St SteVen,

It is necessary to ask to whom these words were spoken. at what time, with what intent, and in what circumstance, considering what comes before, and what follows after.

The twelve did go on to perform miracles, by the power of God, and to do many wonderful things in Jesus name.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

And many since the 12 Apostles.

Just not many in the capacity of "observable scientific enquiry", since faith in the Word is required by God for all who come to Him.

There is also the fact that God determines the outcome = the Apostle Paul was healed and also was not healed

 

[David in NJ]

Sounds like the power of Jesus gave you the gift of healing.

i do not know nor claim that i have the gift of healing

But i did receive Mercy from God the night i cried from the depth of my pain, overwhelming sorrow and wishing to die.