THE CHURCH, THE BODY OF CHRIST, WILL NOT FACE THE WRATH OF THE TRIBULATION

[JLB]

Are you unitarian?

No, I'm Christian.


I believe Jesus Christ will return on the Day of the Lord, which is after the tribulation, to gather His people at the resurrection and rapture, and then He will destroy the wicked, including the antichrist.

 

[MonoBiblical]

No, I'm Christian.


I believe Jesus Christ will return on the Day of the Lord, which is after the tribulation, to gather His people at the resurrection and rapture, and then He will destroy the wicked, including the antichrist.

John says there have been many antechrists. Which one?

[1Jo 2:18 NET] 18 Children, it is the last hour, and just as you heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. We know from this that it is the last hour.

 

[JLB]

John says there have been many antechrists. Which one?

The Antichrist.

The one who goes to the temple to proclaim himself as God.

Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 1 John 2:18

 

[Doug]

There is only one coming of the Lord.

[Mat 24:27 KJV] "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
This does not occur at his coming at the rapture

 

[MonoBiblical]

The Antichrist.

The one who goes to the temple to proclaim himself as God.

Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 1 John 2:18

Oh, the main antichrist whom I think is Herod.

 

[Nancy]

[Matthew 3:7 KJV]
"But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"........What is the wrath to come?

[1Thesalonians 1:10 KJV]
"And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come."........we are said to be delivered from "the wrath to come". Is this the same wrath John spoke of in Matthew 3:7?

[Romans 5:9 KJV]
"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.".........Again we have assurance that we have been saved from wrath.

Wrath needs to be examined to know the extent of our deliverance from it.

[Isaiah 13:9 KJV]
"Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it."

[Isaiah 13:13 KJV]
"Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger."

[Revelations 6:16 KJV]
"And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"[Rev 6:17 KJV]"For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

[Zephaniah 1:18 KJV]
"Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land."

[Romans 2:5 KJV]
"But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;"..........All of these verses speak of the day of the Lord. Without doubt, it can be safely said we will not endure wrath in the day pf the Lord. This is the wrath John the Baptist warned Israel of. The day of the Lord occurs at the end of the tribulation, which Israel will endure. Believing Israel will be preserved in the tribulation and at it's end, when Christ returns, they will enter their prophetic kingdom on earth.

We are spared facing wrath in the day of the Lord, but are we saved from the tribulation?

[2Thesalonians 2:1 KJV]
"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him," [2Th 2:2 KJV] "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."

[2Thesalonians 2:8 KJV] "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:".........The coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to destroy that Wicked Antichrist is the day of Christ; it is not our gathering together (the rapture). The rapture is only revealed to be for the body of Christ. When John declared escaping the "wrath to come" he couldn't have been speaking of the rapture because that was not revealed until Paul did so. The rapture is not the day of Christ; the day of Christ occurs at the same time as the day of the Lord and could be said to be detailing Christ's role in the day of the Lord.

The day of the Lord is not the only time his wrath is revealed. There are other passages to consider in the tribulation that speak of wrath. Since we are told we are saved from wrath, then we have to be saved from all instances of wrath in the tribulation.

"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth." [Revelation 11:18 KJV]

"And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast [it] into the great winepress of the wrath of God." [Revelation 14:19 KJV]

"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God." [Revelation 15:1 KJV]

"And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever." [Revelation 15:7 KJV]

"And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth." [Revelation 16:1 KJV].........All of these verses speak of wrath and are not directly happening at the day of the Lord. The wrath in these verses happen outside of the day of the Lord. If we are saved from wrath, then we are saved from the wrath of the tribulation as well. The tribulation is a time of God's wrath. Our gathering together, the rapture, occurs to deliver us from the wrath of the tribulation.

Hi Doug. This is such a ball of confusion. IMHO...we are NOT appointed to Gods wrath but will be persecuted by Satan and his tribulation being aimed at Christians.

 

[rebuilder 454]

So you believe Christian Jews will be persecuted.


Why not Christian’s Gentiles?

The fact the ac kills all refusing the mark would be persecution against EVERY believer left behind.

That is HOW the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled and Jacob's trouble begins.
Only pretrib rapture addresses all dynamics

There is only one coming of the Lord.

Rev 14:14 totally blows that false concept out of the water.
You are forced to say God is confused and can't tell "Jesus Sitting on a cloud holding a sickle", is not the same thing as Jesus sitting on a horse with a sword in a warrior attitude with millions of horses, accompanying HIM..
You just flat out are lying to yourself

Then the grand canyon stretch that all rapture verses are normal life and you guys actually convinced yourselves that normal life as Jesus prophesied, is running from cave to cave futilly....AS THE AC , ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE , KILLS ALL REFUSING THE MARK!!!!!!!

How can you guys convince yourselves of the opposite of the bible?????

 

[rebuilder 454]

Hi Doug. This is such a ball of confusion. IMHO...we are NOT appointed to Gods wrath but will be persecuted by Satan and his tribulation being aimed at Christians.

Wrath would be the LOF...total annihilation.

The JOB of the ac is to kill the saints.
The bible says POWER WAS GIVEN THE AC TO DO JUST THAT
ONCE It is realized the rapture is the gathering of the bride, the ENTIRE picture comes in focus.

It is a shame that the TRUE starting place to discern eschatology is the bride/groom dynamic, along with the Jewish wife Gomer, has been TOTALLY skipped over in the eschatological students here in this board.
Apparently I am the only one here with that base of study.

The MAIN FOUNDATION STONE OF ESCHATOLOGY......off the table.

 

[Doug]

Hi Doug. This is such a ball of confusion. IMHO...we are NOT appointed to Gods wrath but will be persecuted by Satan and his tribulation being aimed at Christians.

Yes
There is no clear-cut statement in regard to a pre trib rapture
i dont see how the time of Jacob's trouble can be applied to us seeing it only involves Israel

 

[MonoBiblical]

Yes
There is no clear-cut statement in regard to a pre trib rapture
i dont see how the time of Jacob's trouble can be applied to us seeing it only involves Israel

I don't believe in turning the other cheek for self=defense.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes
There is no clear-cut statement in regard to a pre trib rapture
i dont see how the time of Jacob's trouble can be applied to us seeing it only involves Israel

Pretrib rapture .

Mat 24
" Before the flood one is taken the other left behind watch and be ready"

Jesus said " Because you have kept the word of my testimony. I will also keep you from the hour of trial as about to come up on the whole world."

Jesus said "but pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the earth and stan before the son of man".
In acts1 the angels prophecied..." Why stand ye here? Can you sing to heaven? This same Jesus shall return in like manner"

 

[JLB]

Oh, the main antichrist whom I think is Herod.

The antichrist will be revealed when he goes to the temple of God and proclaims himself as God.

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8

The number one thing that is unmistakable is, the Lord Jesus Christ will personally destroy the antichrist by the brightness of His coming.

• whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

 

[JLB]

The fact the ac kills all refusing the mark would be persecution against EVERY believer left behind.

That is HOW the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled and Jacob's trouble begins.
Only pretrib rapture addresses all dynamics

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8

The number one thing that is unmistakable is, the Lord Jesus Christ will personally destroy the antichrist by the brightness of His coming.

• whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Do you believe the Lord Jesus Christ will destroy the antichrist at His coming, before the tribulation?

 

[Doug]

There is only one coming of the Lord.

Here is my post

IS THERE ONE OF THE LORD JESUS OR TWO?

 

[rebuilder 454]

The antichrist will be revealed when he goes to the temple of God and proclaims himself as God.

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8

The number one thing that is unmistakable is, the Lord Jesus Christ will personally destroy the antichrist by the brightness of His coming.

• whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

The white horse rider of the seals is the ac

He carries a bow ( bow = covenant) and wears a crown.
He is revealed possibly before that. Revealed as Obama was over a year before he took power.
So the REVEALING of the ac is years before the temple desecration.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8

The number one thing that is unmistakable is, the Lord Jesus Christ will personally destroy the antichrist by the brightness of His coming.

• whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Do you believe the Lord Jesus Christ will destroy the antichrist at His coming, before the tribulation?

You have been taken to school on your one coming fallacy where you guys think 3 vivid distinct SEPARATE comings are one.
Then you take that false debunked thought into some smoking gun, when you can not, nor ever will be able to unpack acts1 or Rev 14 :14.

Your 1 coming deal is easily debunked.
How did it ever have an ounce of traction.????

 

[rebuilder 454]

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8

The number one thing that is unmistakable is, the Lord Jesus Christ will personally destroy the antichrist by the brightness of His coming.

• whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Do you believe the Lord Jesus Christ will destroy the antichrist at His coming, before the tribulation?

QUOTE
""The number one thing that is unmistakable is, the Lord Jesus Christ will personally destroy the antichrist by the brightness of His coming""

Both sides have believed that for many years.

 

[JLB]

The white horse rider of the seals is the ac

He carries a bow ( bow = covenant) and wears a crown.
He is revealed possibly before that. Revealed as Obama was over a year before he took power.
So the REVEALING of the ac is years before the temple desecration.

‘The antichrist will be destroyed at the coming of the Lord.


Do you honestly believe that will take place before the great tribulation?

 

[rebuilder 454]

‘The antichrist will be destroyed at the coming of the Lord.


Do you honestly believe that will take place before the great tribulation?

Do you honestly or dishonestly deny the 3 comings from the bible?


I have never believed your false assertions.

Your statement is incorrectly based on "one coming"..... (the concept where ALL postribs get owned)
We see two comings where he never touches the earth. 1 these 4, Matt 25, acts 1,

The coming, AFTER the trib, is TO THE EARTH WITH THE SAINTS.

So your error leads you to outlandish conclusions.

Why do you think postribbers change mat 24 ("before the flood ,one taken, one left"), mat 25 ("the 5 foolish virgins") and acts 1( "like manner")?
WHY do you think your doctrine can not comprehend the word "revealed" , concerning the AC?
Why do they CHANGE IT to "in power"?

Why do they deny God's word that "ALL TAKE THE MARK not written in the book"?
Then deny God's word that says "they take the mark or die."

Because their imagination says God's word CAN NOT BE TRUE.

Look what you guys do to "like manner"
That one is vividly descriptive of the pretrib rapture.
Vivid ....but so elusive to the deceived teachers you guys blindly follow.
IOW, since your ENTIRE DEAL depends on one coming, your error is in your failure to investigate.
I have very rarely seen a postrib seriously address my position

You and your colleagues run from the components of the pretrib rapture.

Bizarre how investigation is your enemy.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8

The number one thing that is unmistakable is, the Lord Jesus Christ will personally destroy the antichrist by the brightness of His coming.

• whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Do you believe the Lord Jesus Christ will destroy the antichrist at His coming, before the tribulation?

Both sides believe and use those verses.
Only one side sees,and understands the word "revealed".
Your side can not read for context.
You would be wise to look up the word "revealed".
That would be an excellent starting place for basic investigation.
Try it.
Do a tiny bit of investigation.

Then do a tiny bit of investigation on the meaning of "before" and "after" found in mat 24.

Then do a tiny bit of investigation on the 3 comings.

Stay away from teachers that say rev 14:14
Is not Jesus sitting on a cloud, but instead is ( wink,wink) Jesus sitting on a horse with millions of horses accompanying Him.
( yet Another component, where failure to investigate, ends in some wild ascribing of , millions of horses, to the rapture of the Jews in Rev 14;14.)

SMH