1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 is not talking about world peace and safety

[Truth7t7]

I'm actually only interested in serious and mature responses.

Much love!

Your interested in a pre-trib rapture and millennial kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture, the truth plain and simple

 

[David in NJ]

Per this example, that doesn't depict peace and safety if they are hiding in fear of the wrath of the Lamb. When they are saying peace and safety, they are not fearing the wrath of the Lamb at that point. In 1 Thessalonians 5:3, peace and saftety precede the DOTL. In Revelation 6 it is the DOTL that is in view per the 6th seal. Thus, per the 6th seal, the time of peace and safety has passed. Per the 6th seal they are obviously hiding for a reason

Compare with 1 Thessalonians 5:3

1 Thessalonians 5:3 A) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; B) then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

During A), B) is not paralleling A), B) is putting an end to A). Therefore, the 6th seal is meaning during B), not during A).

Good Morning,

We have a Oil Burner breakdown here in NJ and i was unable to reply yesterday.

Will take a look after coffee

 

[David in NJ]

Per this example, that doesn't depict peace and safety if they are hiding in fear of the wrath of the Lamb. When they are saying peace and safety, they are not fearing the wrath of the Lamb at that point. In 1 Thessalonians 5:3, peace and saftety precede the DOTL. In Revelation 6 it is the DOTL that is in view per the 6th seal. Thus, per the 6th seal, the time of peace and safety has passed. Per the 6th seal they are obviously hiding for a reason

Compare with 1 Thessalonians 5:3

1 Thessalonians 5:3 A) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; B) then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

During A), B) is not paralleling A), B) is putting an end to A). Therefore, the 6th seal is meaning during B), not during A).

What is the KEY to understanding how A leads to B with the fact that they are paralleling with the continuance of the build-up of Tribulation along with the "peace and safety"???

You can find part of the KEY in Revelation chapter 6

 

[marks]

Your interested in a pre-rrib rapture and millennial kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture, the truth plain and simple

I'm interested in serious and mature discussion. If you can do that great, if not don't bother.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm interested in serious and mature discussion. If you can do that great, if not don't bother.

Much love!

Your interested in your false teaching of a pre-trib rapture and millennial kingdom on this earth, it's your desire to promote the false teachings, it's that simple

Jesus Christ Is "Much Love"

 

[JLB]

I've been in pre-trib circles for decades, and I've never heard many of the claims you attribute to pre-trib teaching. Including this one.

It's straw man after straw man after straw man, on and on.

Much love!

‘Do you believe the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night for us?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm interested in serious and mature discussion. If you can do that great, if not don't bother.

Much love!

LOL. You think making false accusations about me supposedly misrepresenting pre-tribs in the original post when I didn't is "serious and mature discussion"? Do you think it's "serious and mature discussion" to accuse me of making repeated strawman arguments against pre-trib in the past without being able to provide even one example "serious and mature discussion"? It'd be nice if YOU could actually take part in serious and mature discussion.

 

[marks]

‘Do you believe the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night for us?

1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 KJV
1) But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2) For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5) Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6) Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Much love!

 

[JLB]

1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 KJV
1) But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2) For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5) Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6) Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Much love!

What is your answer?

 

[marks]

What is your answer?

What that passage says. It comes as a thief, but it should not come that way for us, we are to watch.

Much love!

 

[marks]

What is your answer?

What does the "eagle" designation refer to?

Much love!

 

[JLB]

What that passage says. It comes as a thief, but it should not come that way for us, we are to watch.

Amen I agree.


This is one of many scripture passages that require a balance of understanding.

I mentioned "us" for that reason.


If I would have said... will the Day of the Lord come as a thief in the night?

It could have been answered with either yes or no and be correct.


This is where many get caught up in deception.

Their whole end time mindset is we can't know the day of the hour, He could come any moment, for the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night.


Again, by Jesus saying know one knows the day or the hour, He is using language His followers understood.

He was referring to the feast of trumpets.

He left signs for those who are watching.

 

[JLB]

What does the "eagle" designation refer to?

Much love!

It refers to a team member the staff has created.

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm interested in serious and mature discussion. If you can do that great, if not don't bother.

Much love!

Smiles!

Anything that exposes the false teaching of a pre-trib rapture or millennial kingdom isn't serious discussion as far as your concerned

Try being "Mature" and responding to your opposition, the reason you don't is because there isn't a defense for your beliefs and teachings

Jesus Is The Lord!

 

[Jay Ross]

It is sad to think that so called mature "Christians" can argue over whether or not there can be a 1,000-year period of peace and safety before the Bottomless Pit is unlocked so that Satan, the beast(s), the Little Horn and the kings of the earth can rise up out of the earth to bring havoc during the remaining little while period of the Seventh Age.

In Ezekiel 34 God enters into a covenant of Peace with Israel when He will remove the beasts of the fields, i.e. Satan, the Beast(s), the Little Horn and the Kings of the earth trampling the Israelites, for a period of 1,000 years.

We all should be humble enough to understand that many "Christians" are not the sharpest tools in God's toolbox and are not as "smart" or "learned" as what they think or believe.

1 Thess 5:1-11: - 1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober/self-controlled. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.​

11Therefore comfort/encourage each other and edify one another/build each other up, just as you also are doing.​

We know from scripture when the sudden destruction will come after the Bottomless Pit is unlocked.

Until then we are to bring the full harvest of Souls into God's Everlasting Kingdom.

Shalom

 

[Douggg]

It is sad to think that so called mature "Christians" can argue over whether or not there can be a 1,000-year period of peace and safety before the Bottomless Pit is unlocked so that Satan, the beast(s), the Little Horn and the kings of the earth can rise up out of the earth to bring havoc during the remaining little while period of the Seventh Age.

What bible passage, chapter and verse, are you referring to ?

 

[Jay Ross]

What bible passage, chapter and verse, are you referring to ?

Daniel 7:12 gives us a clue

 

[Douggg]

It is sad to think that so called mature "Christians" can argue over whether or not there can be a 1,000-year period of peace and safety before the Bottomless Pit is unlocked so that Satan, the beast(s), the Little Horn and the kings of the earth can rise up out of the earth to bring havoc during the remaining little while period of the Seventh Age.

Jay, what bible passage, chapter and verse(s), are you referring to as being a 1000 year period of peace and safety ?

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 7:12 gives us a clue

Not clear, Jay. Is what you are referring to as the little while period...as the little season (kjv) of Revelation 20:3 that Satan will be released from from the bottomless pit?

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit at Jesus's return. Then a 1000 years later...

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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The little season of Satan's final deception of nations as the last rebellion of Revelation 20:7-9, I show in red on this chart I made.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, what bible passage, chapter and verse(s), are you referring to as being a 1000 year period of peace and safety ?

Isaiah 24:21-22.

Matthew 24:32 = a season is near = Rev 20:1-3 = 1,000 years

Ezekiel 34:25-31: - 25 "I will make a covenant of peace with them and cause wild/evil beasts [1] to cease from the earth; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods. 26 I will make them and the places all around My hill [2] a blessing; and I will cause showers to come down in their season; there shall be showers of blessing. 27 Then the trees of the field shall yield their fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase. They shall be safe within my fertile soil/field; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I have broken the bands of their yoke and delivered them from the hand of those who enslaved them. 28 And they shall no longer be a prey for the nations, nor shall beasts of the earth devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and no one shall make them afraid. 29 I will raise up for them a garden of renown, and they shall no longer be consumed with hunger on the earth, nor bear the shame of the Gentiles anymore. 30 Thus they shall know that I, the Lord their God, am with them, and they, the house of Israel, are My people," says the Lord God.'"​

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31 "You are My flock, the flock of My pasture; you are men, and I am your God," says the Lord God.​

Perhaps you have considered these verses before and saw how they were related to each other.

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[1] This is a reference to God’s judgement of the beastly Heavenly Hosts who will be judged during the time that God is turning His attention once more towards the Israelites in our near future, around the year 2044 AD give or take a year or so either way because of the uncertainty in the understanding of the relationship between God’s timeframe and man’s understanding.

Isaiah 24:21-22 speaks of God Judging the Heavenly Hosts in Heaven and the kings of the earth on the earth and that they will be gathered together with the kings of the earth and imprisoned in a cistern/pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.

Daniel 7:11-12 also speaks of the time of the judgement of the four Beasts, referred to as the four winds of Heaven in Daniel 7:2 that causes a manifestation of the four respective beasts to rise up out of the sea of humanity with the dominate characteristic of the four respective beasts.

In Revelation 16:12-16 we are told that the kings of the earth after the signs performed by the three foul frog like spirits when they went out from the mouth of the Dragon, the False Prophet and the Beast would be to assemble them for battle, on the great day of God the Almighty at Armageddon where they will be judged as Isaiah 24:21-22 prophesied.

Paul wrote in Romans 11:25-26, that when the fullness with respect to time, that has been set for the Gentiles to trample God’s Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts, has drawn to its conclusion, after the 2,300-year period, and the subsequent judgement of the kings of the earth, all of Israel will be saved.

Ezekiel 34:28 repeats this same theme, where it points a second time to the beasts being removed from the face of the earth and not troubling Israel for a period of 1,000-years.

[2] God is using a metaphor to reference the Religion that will be establish as an integral part of His Everlasting Kingdom during the time of the kings mentioned in the Statue prophecy in Daniel 2 as He begins gathering Israel to Himself after the completion of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers of the nation of Israel are visited upon their children and the children’s children to the end of the fourth age. The basis of this hill/religion with be the foundation stone that will come down out of heaven for the nation of the Israelites is that Jesus/Christ is the Son of God. The stone that comes down out of heaven we are told in Daniel will become a great mountain and fill the whole earth (Daniel 2:35)​