Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[amigo de christo]

Immanuel = God with us

IMMANUEL , GOD WITH US .
INTERFAITH , anti christ with us .
WHICH ONE YA THINK the sheep chose and do choose . CAUSE IT CANNOT BE BOTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

John has more verses than 20:31. Why do you want to ignore the rest? Yes, Jesus is Christ, but this is not all John ever wrote about Him.

True there are many things recorded about JESUS .
SO my question to you my friend is a simple one .
LETS say i came on here
and began teaching about JESUS and yet i was twisting , omiting things HE said , contradicting them .
TELL ME do you really THINK i am pointing one to CHRIST JESUS
or was i simply SEDUCING THEM ALL with another man made , man invented jesus . that beleive me WONT be saving any of them .
MY JESUS said this
WHY DO YOU CALL ME LORD , and YET DO NOT THE THINGS WHICH I SAY .
HE THEN went on to say exactly what cometh upon those who heeded not HIS sayings , AND MAN i gotta say IT WAS NOT A GOOD
ENDING AT ALL .
As i am kind sure you will agree with this my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Is it necessary to believe in the Trinity to be saved? No, believing in Christ is what saves. However, if one is saved, they are going to grow in knowledge and should eventually come to believe that God is triune in nature.

Yes we are saved soley by FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST . YES in time the true sheep will learn
and learn ONLY T RUTH .
thus WHEN the word said GOD is the word and the word was GOD . OH THEY Dont twist that .
or any other thing JESUS said or the apostels said i might add .
THE PROBLEM never has been with saying FAITH IN JESUS saves .
The problem however has always been , just what JESUS or jesus was our faith in ,
Was it the one who TAUGHT US HIS WORDS
or was it the one who twisted his words . cause the latter one , OH IT CANNOT SAVE . I say again IT cannot save
and now let me tell us why it cannot save . CAUSE IT AINT JESUS , ITS NOT OF GOD
its of the serpent who darn sure , as can his minstirs , preach another jesus with another g ospel unto this people .
Just a friendly reminder to us all . It be bible time and time for the bible . folks
NEED to know if their image of JESUS , OF GOD , was truly OF GOD of CHRIST JESUS , or darn was it of another
that will lead them only to their own destruction .

 

[David in NJ]

Are you saying Ben Franklin wasn't Christian?

Well, Ben is on a $100 bill so he MUST be a christian..................

What do the pastors say? = "a penny for your Benny"

 

[Grailhunter]

What do you have to believe to be a Christian?
The Apostles considered this question and wrote the Apostle's Creed which was a statement of faith that was recited before Baptism. And the 3 in 1 formula for the Trinity or the belief that Yeshua was pre-existing or that He created the heavens and earth are not in the Creeds.

The oldest surviving Creed is called the Old Roman Creed.

The concept of the Trinity includes either the 3 in 1 belief or the Godhead of 3 Gods. The term Trinity was coined around the 1st century but did not include the 3 in 1 belief. The 3 in 1 belief was first formulated by the Roman Catholic Church in the 4th century and forced on Christianity under penalty of death.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well, Ben is on a $100 bill so he MUST be a christian..................

What do the pastors say? = "a penny for your Benny"

David i sent you and others this video . I do not support either side .
THIS IS A SET Up . its all a set up . They want people to explode into violence
SO THE ALL INCLUSVIE CAN SLAM DOWN the laws . I dont support the muslims or this other dude doing all
the ranting . HE even defended homosexaulity , screams get the Fu............out
THEN has the nerve to say JESUS IS KING . that dude dont know JESUS at all .
NOR does the all inclusive . THE ALL INCLUSIVE GOLDEN ROD will slam down and bring down the YOKE upon all .
SO know that this is a set up . THEY want this . tHEY WANT them to go to war , SO THEY can then
SLAM DOWN THE YOKE . and folks will hear and heed the false solution .
ISLAM is of anti christ , and is deadly to the soul of man .
BUT KNOW and understand its the wolf in wool that b e the most dangerous
and that wolf has come decked in wool and from WITHIN CHRISTENDOME ITSELF . to merge all tribes
all religoins , all peoples to be as one , they will holler l ove
BUT THEY WILL NOT BE SHEEP friendly . dONT think for a second da vid
that true sheep like us , ARE NOT ALREADY ON that list as potential terroists .
AND when things get heated and we see them go to war
GUESS WHO they will also come for . MEN LIKE US david . THIS IS ALL A SET up . satan has always known how to decieve .
but teh sheep shall not hear him .

 

[amigo de christo]

What do you have to believe to be a Christian?
The Apostles considered this question and wrote the Apostle's Creed which was a statement of faith that was recited before Baptism. And the 3 in 1 formula for the Trinity or the belief that Yeshua was pre-existing or that He created the heavens and earth are not in the Creeds.

The oldest surviving Creed is called the Old Roman Creed.

The concept of the Trinity includes either the 3 in 1 belief or the Godhead of 3 Gods. The term Trinity was coined around the 1st century but did not include the 3 in 1 belief. The 3 in 1 belief was first formulated by the Roman Catholic Church in the 4th century and forced on Christianity under penalty of death.

This is all a s et up . watch this . They want a holy war between the religoins . WHY .
WHY you might ask . WHEN all they do is non stop chant we all serve the same GOD .
I WILL tell us why this inclusive ecumenical WHORE and her co workers do desire
a war . SO THEY CAN THEN SLAM DOWN the YOKE UPON ALL .
and call all who claim their way as the onl y way AS ExTREMISTS . they will come for the true sheep .
I dont support that evil man , or evil islam . But the man who so called represented JESUS and so called white america
IS FULL OF DELUSION , of hate .
But it dont matter that i warn against such a man , FOR SOON even folks like you
will think i am just as deadly , just as dangerous .
WE ARE ALL BEING SET UP . the all inclusive ecumenical harlot of i nterfaith IS NOT the answer , IT b e of anti christ .
And the devil gonna stir up zealots to do deadly things against one the o ther and against society .
AND THEN SLAM HOME his own CHRIST DENYING SOLUTION .
GET OUT of any ecumenical churches NOW . Let us start afresh in just the bible my friend .

 

[GodsGrace]

while it is true that the GODHEAD can be a bit complex to understand in the beginning .
WHAT I ALSO KNEW way back then and even now still do know .
WHY ON EARTH WOULD ANYONE have twisted and omitted ANY PART of the SCRIPTURES .
In other words
WHEN i first read Where JOHN stated tthe WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD . I BELEIVED IT as wri tten .
I also beleived where JESUS said the FATHER is greater than I .
I did not understand , BUT I STILL BELEIEVED what was written .
Then in time I was given understanding .
HOWEVER tell me . HOW ON earth is anyone ever gonna get understanding
IF THEY TWIST AND OMIT what is already WRITTEN . THEY WONT , in fact they are running too and flirting with BLASPHEMY
and know it not .
I DONT need to chANGE the scriptures to fit my understanding
I NEED ONLY BELEIVE what is written and GOD giveth understanding of things IN TIME . THA TSIMPLE . that SIMPLE
BUT WOE unto any and unto all WHO TWIST and omit THEM WORDS
in order to fit ANYTHING . WE should simply BELEIVE what is written , NOT CHANGE what is written .

Correct.
I've said many times that we don't have to understand the Trinity....we just have to accept it.
I don't understand how I get light in my house...but when I flip the switch, the light goes on.
Whether or not I understand it.

 

[GodsGrace]

Which Christians?

Orthodoxy….The Roman Catholic Church was into orthodoxy and they persecuted, tortured, and murdered in that pursuit. Belief control and promoting prescribed beliefs.

Now with over 30,000 Protestant denominations the term orthodoxy has lost it meaning.

Orthodoxy has always been wrong thinking. Better to know the truth rather than a popular belief or belief prescribed by men. And one of the greatest enemies of truth is false beliefs.

How many believe in the 3 in 1 formula for the Trinity, which is false?

How many people believe that the ten summaries in chapter 20 of Exodus are the Ten Commandments when the Ten Commandments are in chapter 34 of Exodus.

How many believe the Ten Commandments and the Mosaic Law pertain to Christians?

How many believe in the doctrine of Original Sin?

How many believe that Baptism is just for show?

How many believe that the Bread and Wine ritual is optional for Christians? Or that it is not a miracle in itself.

How many believe that charity and Good Deeds are optional for Christians?

How many people believe the scriptures say you have to have a wedding ceremony to be married?

How many people believe that polygamy and concubinage and slavery was ended by the scriptures?

Polygamy and concubinage and slavery was ended much later and it was the Protestants that made a church wedding a requirement to be married. All good stuff.

How many support the second rate status of women?

How many believe that sex married or not is dirty, nasty, and sinful?

False beliefs are powerful and they have been around for a long time and can corrupt how you understand the scriptures. Best to seek the truth.

For example on the beliefs that the Trinity is 3 in 1 or that it is a Godhead of 3 Gods. I don’t care. If the scriptures supported the 3 in 1 formula I would agree but there are over a hundred scriptures that prove that there are 3 Gods by name. Very few beliefs have that much support by the scriptures. And the 3 in 1 formula skews the meaning of so many scriptures.

And if Yahweh would have said...Yeshua and I created the heavens and earth I would agree. But the whole rewriting history thing....no.

The Gnostics really had no use for Yahweh and contributed every thing to Yeshua. I am not Gnostic.

You have just proved my point.
So if I say I AM CHRISTIAN...
it has lost all meaning?

HOW has this happened?
Because persons like what is simple to understand...
they think God thinks like they do...
they think He's finite like they are.

God is not a human being...
He is a divine being and does not require adhering to our standards.
God can be what He is and does not need our permission to be so.

Christiandom always believed Jesus is God until very recently.

And orthodoxy IS the correct thinking.
What the early church taught IS the correct thinking...
not what came about very recently.

 

[GodsGrace]

This is all a s et up . watch this . They want a holy war between the religoins . WHY .
WHY you might ask . WHEN all they do is non stop chant we all serve the same GOD .
I WILL tell us why this inclusive ecumenical WHORE and her co workers do desire
a war . SO THEY CAN THEN SLAM DOWN the YOKE UPON ALL .
and call all who claim their way as the onl y way AS ExTREMISTS . they will come for the true sheep .
I dont support that evil man , or evil islam . But the man who so called represented JESUS and so called white america
IS FULL OF DELUSION , of hate .
But it dont matter that i warn against such a man , FOR SOON even folks like you
will think i am just as deadly , just as dangerous .
WE ARE ALL BEING SET UP . the all inclusive ecumenical harlot of i nterfaith IS NOT the answer , IT b e of anti christ .
And the devil gonna stir up zealots to do deadly things against one the o ther and against society .
AND THEN SLAM HOME his own CHRIST DENYING SOLUTION .
GET OUT of any ecumenical churches NOW . Let us start afresh in just the bible my friend .

He's not full of hate.
He's afraid that his country is changing...
and he's right.

Islam changes wherever it goes.

 

[GodsGrace]

Are you saying Ben Franklin wasn't Christian?

Already replied to.

 

[GodsGrace]

Odd mystical separation of the person who was born 2,000 years ago (capitalization not required as ‘person’ is a common noun).

Person is capitalized.
Apparently you don't know why because you're not familiar with Christian theology.

There is ONE GOD.
In three Persons.

Each Gospel emphatically proclaims who this person is, God’s anointed. Nothing more. Nothing less.

And this person has a name that is not the name of the one true God of Scripture.

The office of POTUS may be occupied by a different person every 4 years, the office of God’s anointed is an eternal appointment. Yet, Jesus became the son of God, which means not eternally so. See the difference?

I posted scripture...
but YOU have decided to only accept certain parts of the New Testament.
I have accepted all of it, as have all Christians.

Jesus is not an office.
Jesus is God and this is what Christians believe.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Well, Ben is on a $100 bill so he MUST be a christian..................

What do the pastors say? = "a penny for your Benny"

He was also a unitarian deist.

 

[amigo de christo]

Correct.
I've said many times that we don't have to understand the Trinity....we just have to accept it.
I don't understand how I get light in my house...but when I flip the switch, the light goes on.
Whether or not I understand it.

Why on earth cant they just say THE GODHEAD , like paul and other said .

 

[GodsGrace]

Not even God can raise himself from the dead. This is because God cannot die.

Scripture does not say that Christ raised himself but that God raised him. Romans 10:9.

Again,,,you are not familiar with Christian theology.

Both raised Jesus from the dead:
God Father
God Son raised Himself.

God Father raised Jesus:

Romans 10:9b
...and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;


God Son raised Himself:

John 2:19
19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."


There is no contradiction...
because both Father and Son are God.
They have the same will, and the Son does what He sees the Father doing.
John 5:19

 

[amigo de christo]

He's not full of hate.
He's afraid that his country is changing...
and he's right.

Islam changes wherever it goes.

He is only partially right on things .
But his beleif is messed up big time .
I can tell you this much
if a war is declared , i bet that young man would run to the trenchs
and kill muslims .
But you are correct he is afraid that his country is changing and that fear is causing anger and hate to rise up in him .
I got good news . MY COUNTRY cannot be changed , it cannot be moved , ITS HEAVENLY
so i am gonna simply point folks to the KING of my country and preach the dire need to repent and beleive .
But remember this day my f riend .
Because if such exploits do occur an d the peoples
do rage against each other in the streets
THE IRON YOKE and its solution will come down by LAW and be enforced .
REMEMBER me on that day my friend . cause most of you all
are g onna be blaming men like me , cAUSE I wont bend the knee to the solution .
SO remember I NEVER did encourage dangerous things . BUT it wont ma tter, this converged ecumenical grouip
WILL SEE me as the problem and dangerous .

 

[GodsGrace]

False. I already explained this. Dig into the actual words, you will find God said he is eternal, cumbersomely expressed as more than “I am” but “I was, am and am becoming.”

Of course I AM means
I WAS
I AM
I WILL BE

Exactly because it is an eternal title.
Jesus said I AM.
Because Jesus is eternal.

Everyone says I am. Doesn’t mean they are God OR are claiming to be God.

Not everyone says BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS....I AM.

 

[GodsGrace]

Why on earth cant they just say THE GODHEAD , like paul and other said .

Godhead is fine.
But non-Christians will not accept that either.

The problem is that they refuse to believe that Jesus is God.

The Trinity is only important because it explains HOW Jesus is God.
It can be called anything, but the word Trinity was accepted because it means THREE - TRI.

The word means nothing...
it's the concept that's important.
Every concept requires a name.

We have a whole entire language since the invention of the computer.
I don't see anyone complaining that it shouldn't be called THE WEB,,,
or THE MOUSE.

The words just represent something that is true,
and ACCEPTED by those that use computers.

 

[GodsGrace]

He was also a unitarian deist.

Then when asked his religion, the reply is:
I'M A UNITARIAN DEIST.

BTW, Christians also don't believe in Deism.
Which is why I AM CHRISTIAN would be an incorrect reply.

 

[David in NJ]

Correct.
I've said many times that we don't have to understand the Trinity....we just have to accept it.
I don't understand how I get light in my house...but when I flip the switch, the light goes on.
Whether or not I understand it.

AMEN