The Great Tribulation Began in 70AD and Continues to This Very Day

[Earburner]

Not when it's wrong, like your 7 decades nonsense.

Yes, you are correct about that. I suppose I was just running with your casual approach of you saying "for decades".....My bad.

However, the bottom line is the fact that the Jews continued their sacrificing of animals, which was an abomination to God, due to the fact that His Son's sacrifice as the innocent blood of the Lamb of God ended all animal sacrifices.

If all would read and digest Prov. 6:16-19, they would fully understand which abomination towards God highly offended Him.
"The abomination that MAKETH desolate" (Dan. 12) was the crucifixion of God's Son and the shedding of his innocent blood, by the Jews themselves.
Mat. 27
[23] And the governor [Pilate] said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
[24] When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult [Riot] was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye [Jews] to it.
[25] Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. [therein lies the confession of the Jews, taking full responsibility for the crucifixion of Jesus].
[26] Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

See also John 19:6,15.
[6] When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him.
Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.
[15] But they [the Jews] cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priest answered, We have no king but Caesar.

 

[ewq1938]

Yes, you are correct about that. I suppose I was just running with your casual approach of you saying "for decades".....My bad.

Fair enough. We all misspeak.

However, the bottom line is the fact that the Jews continued their sacrificing of animals, which was an abomination to God, due to the fact that His Son's sacrifice as the innocent blood of the Lamb of God ended all animal sacrifices.

O think this needs editing. It didn't end animal sacrifices. It was the last one God wanted.

If all would read and digest Prov. 6:16-19, they would fully understand which abomination towards God highly offended Him.
"The abomination that MAKETH desolate" (Dan. 12) was the crucifixion of God's Son and the shedding of his innocent blood, by the Jews themselves.

Context doesn't support that though. It is clear the bad Prince causing such desolations which is what Christ referred to. The cross was not an abomination anyways. Look how that cannot fit:

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

The cross did not stand in the holy place which is part of the temple. It's clear that someone or something would stand in the temple.

 

[Earburner]

Fair enough. We all misspeak.





O think this needs editing. It didn't end animal sacrifices. It was the last one God wanted.




Context doesn't support that though. It is clear the bad Prince causing such desolations which is what Christ referred to. The cross was not an abomination anyways. Look how that cannot fit:

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

The cross did not stand in the holy place which is part of the temple. It's clear that someone or something would stand in the temple.

Sorry, the correct wording is found in Dan. 12:11 "the abomination that MAKETH desolate".

The "bad prince" (Titus) is the result of the Jews committing the abomination against God (Prov. 6:16-19) that MADE their temple desolate (destroyed and void of God).
Edit- that abomination AGAINST God the Father was: "The shedding of innocent blood".

As it once was for me,
you also have been deceived by "the wisdom of men", who are of the religious realm of church- ianity.
Mat. 24:15-20 is descriptive of 70 AD., the beginning "of great tribulation", aka "the time of Jacob's trouble".

No! But Jesus Himself did stand in the holy place, and was judged by the chief priest.
It was the sign for believers to begin leaving Jerusalem. That time lasted upto 69AD., when the Roman Vespasian came and encompassed the city in 69 AD., one year prior to Titus who came and destroyed it. That temple will NEVER be built again, no matter how much the Jews want it.
Dan. 9:27 "....and for the overspreading of abominations he [Jesus] shall make it desolate [destroyed and void of God], even until the consummation [the end of time],...."

 

[David in NJ]

Sorry, the correct wording is found in Dan. 12: "the abomination that MAKETH desolate".

The "bad prince" (Titus) is the result of the Jews committing the abomination against God (Prov. 6:16-19) that MADE their temple desolate (destroyed and void of God).

As it once was for me,
you also have been deceived by "the wisdom of men", who are of the religious realm of church- ianity.
Mat. 24:15-20 is descriptive of 70 AD., the beginning "of great tribulation", aka "the time of Jacob's trouble".

No! But Jesus Himself did stand in the holy place, and was judged by the chief priest.
It was the sign for believers to begin leaving Jerusalem. That time lasted upto 69AD., when the Roman Vespsian came and encompassed the city in 69 AD., one year prior to Titus who came and destroyed it.

i love you my Brother

Let us break Bread Together on this subject

Two distinct 'princes' are given to us in Daniel ch9

#1 - the PRINCE of LIFE = MESSIAH

#2 - the prince who is to come and his people of desolation

PLEASE refrain from attaching to the PRINCE of LIFE the "desolation/defilement" of the Temple that was destroyed by the Jews and Romans Defilement.

GOD permitted the Temple to stand for approximately 40 years from when Christ began His Work, which HE Finished on the Cross.
HE did so to give time for the elders to Repent, which they refused = and thus the Judgment fell upon them

This is the SAME as when God told Israel to Repent by Sending the prophet Jeremiah BEFORE the destruction of the Temple in OT

SHALOM

 

[Earburner]

i love you my Brother

Let us break Bread Together on this subject

Two distinct 'princes' are given to us in Daniel ch9

#1 - the PRINCE of LIFE = MESIAH

#2 - the prince who is to come and his people of desolation

PLEASE refrain from attaching to the PRINCE of LIFE the "desolation/defilement" of the Temple that was destroyed by the Jews and Romans Defilement.

GOD permitted the Temple to stand for approximately 40 years from when Christ began His Work, which HE Finished on the Cross.
HE did so to give time for the elders to Repent, which they refused = and thus the Judgment fell upon them

This is the SAME as when God told Israel to Repent by Sending the prophet Jeremiah BEFORE the destruction of the Temple in OT

SHALOM

Sorry brother, but I MUST read ONLY the KJV Bible, and listen to what the Holy Spirit teaches, even if others choose to listen to "the wisdom of men", and corrupt themselves with many other Bible versions.

By the way, how is your son doing??

 

[David in NJ]

Sorry brother, but I MUST read ONLY the KJV Bible, and listen to what the Holy Spirit teaches, even if others choose to listen to "the wisdom of men", and corrupt themselves with many other Bible versions.

By the way, how is your son doing??

KJV is fine with me, as that was what i grew UP on after being Born-Again at the age of 23

We have Danny on holistic grade Ivermectin as we have seen signs of parasitic infection.

Tic bytes can transfer both Lymes as well as parasites

Seems to be working as we have seen some improvement = but your prayers are a blessing and still needed

Thank You

 

[Earburner]

KJV is fine with me, as that was what i grew UP on after being Born-Again at the age of 23

We have Danny on holistic grade Ivermectin as we have seen signs of parasitic infection.

Tic bytes can transfer both Lymes as well as parasites

Seems to be working as we have seen some improvement = but your prayers are a blessing and still needed

Thank You

Praise God that you and your son have been directed to that which is improving his health and gives some relief of his suffering. Yes brother, he is in my prayers.

 

[ewq1938]

Sorry, the correct wording is found in Dan. 12:11 "the abomination that MAKETH desolate".

The "bad prince" (Titus) is the result of the Jews committing the abomination against God (Prov. 6:16-19) that MADE their temple desolate (destroyed and void of God).
Edit- that abomination AGAINST God the Father was: "The shedding of innocent blood".

That did not happen in the holy place so it does not match prophecy.

As it once was for me,
you also have been deceived by "the wisdom of men", who are of the religious realm of church- ianity.

That applies to you. Your interp is not aligned with the prophecy.

Mat. 24:15-20 is descriptive of 70 AD., the beginning "of great tribulation", aka "the time of Jacob's trouble".

No. The GT is a short time not a hugely massive time. Yet again what you teach is not what the bible teaches. You teach church- ianity.

No! But Jesus Himself did stand in the holy place, and was judged by the chief priest.

He was not crucified in the temple, nor in the holy place of the temple.

 

[David in NJ]

Dear @Earburner

i am deeply grateful for you love for my son Danny and your prayers for him as well as the respect and kindness you and i have for each other.

i know @ewq1938 and he does not spin scripture as many do on here(not saying you do either).

Can we three work on OT Daniel as well as NT Scripture to align our hearts to Truth.

The LORD prayed to the FATHER for us = John ch17
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

After being Born-Again by the Spirit i began immersing myself into the Holy Scriptures and Prayer = KJV

i SOLD my soul to TRUTH = meaning this, i abandoned all that i was taught as a child about God and Jesus so that i could be FILLED with the Truth of Who They are according to the Word of God = FATHER/WORD-SON/HOLY SPIRIT

My prayer to the FATHER is that others will follow in those same footsteps of faith in the WORD that was GOD.

When we lay down everything in our hearts and minds, the Holy Spirit then has freedom within us to Guide us in all Truth.

SHALOM my Brothers

 

[Earburner]

Dear @Earburner

i am deeply grateful for you love for my son Danny and your prayers for him as well as the respect and kindness you and i have for each other.

i know @ewq1938 and he does not spin scripture as many do on here(not saying you do either).

Can we three work on OT Daniel as well as NT Scripture to align our hearts to Truth.

The LORD prayed to the FATHER for us = John ch17
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

After being Born-Again by the Spirit i began immersing myself into the Holy Scriptures and Prayer = KJV

i SOLD my soul to TRUTH = meaning this, i abandoned all that i was taught as a child about God and Jesus so that i could be FILLED with the Truth of Who They are according to the Word of God = FATHER/WORD-SON/HOLY SPIRIT

My prayer to the FATHER is that others will follow in those same footsteps of faith in the WORD that was GOD.

When we lay down everything in our hearts and minds, the Holy Spirit then has freedom within us to Guide us in all Truth.

SHALOM my Brothers

Dear @David in NJ , as your brother in the Lord, I am more than happy to keep your son, you and family in my prayers, that the will of the Lord may be revealed and established to you all for the healing of your son Dan.

As for all that you said and referenced, I do agree 100%. I can only tell you the same, that I also have sold myself over to the Truth, who is the Lord Jesus Himself.

In 1975 I was born again of God's Holy Spirit through a night dream/vision, concerning the literal book of 2 Timothy, of which I was completely ignorant of its existence.
Long story short, I discovered John 3:3-8 and learned about how we all must repent before God for the forgiveness of sin, through faith in Jesus, and then invite Him into our life, of which He does so through the Gift of the Holy Spirit.

It is not my intention or will to sound obtuse to the unity of the faith in which I was personally chosen to dwell in and share. However, as to the peripheral biblical doctrines that do not affect my salvation in the Lord, we all are free to move about in Him, as God's written words are interpreted to us by His Holy Spirit for our understanding.

We all know that we each learn of Him in different ways, at different speeds and on different levels, knowing also that we all are as equal to the repentant thief on the cross, who lived under the OC., who simply wanted to be "remembered" by Jesus. And that He did then, and continues to so for each of us today.

May God continue to bless us all in the knowledge of the Truth, who is Jesus,
Brother Earburner

 

[GodsGrace]

You obviously did not bother to comprehend my OP @LoveYeshua . Oh well, thanks for visiting and commenting.

The above was to another member.
I'll be receiving the same answer because:

I'd like to know....
Is the tribulation a period of great distress?

So does your theory preclude that BEFORE 70AD everything was good?

or does the term GREAT TRIBULATION have no meaning?

 

[Jay Ross]

The Great Tribulation will not start until around the year 3044 AD when the Bottomless pit will be unlocked releasing Satan, the Beast, The Little Horn and the kings of the earth, all of whom will be judged around the year 2044, gathered together and imprisoned for many days, i.e. for 1,000 years, to await the time of their punishment. This is what Isaiah wrote in Isaiah 24:21-22 for those who care to study their scriptures.

What we are coming to the end of in around 20 years from now will be the end of Jacob's troubles which co-insides with the end of, (a) the visitation of the fathers' iniquities upon their children and the children's children at the end of the 4th age of the existence of the nation of Israel, (b) the end of the trampling of God's earthly hosts by the King's armies given to the Little Horn by the Lord to do the work of the Little Horn, (c) God beginning to draw/gather all of Israel to Himself where He will plant them in His Fertile field and teach them about the rock that comes down out of heaven during the time of these kings to become the largest mountain, i.e. religion, in all of the earth and (d) God will uphold His covenant of Pece with Israel by removing all of the beasts of the field from the face of the earth for a period of times at this time as well, nominally, 1,000 years.

 

[David in NJ]

Dear @David in NJ , as your brother in the Lord, I am more than happy to keep your son, you and family in my prayers, that the will of the Lord may be revealed and established to you all for the healing of your son Dan.

As for all that you said and referenced, I do agree 100%. I can only tell you same that I also have sold myself over to the Truth, who is the Lord Jesus Himself.

In 1975 I was born again of God's Holy Spirit through a night dream/vision concerning the literal book of 2 Timothy, of which I was completely ignorant of its existence.
Long story short, I discovered John 3:3-8 and learned about how we all must repent before God for the forgiveness of sin, through faith in Jesus, and then invite Him into our life, of which He does so through the Gift of the Holy Spirit.

It is not my intention or will to sound obtuse to the unity of the faith in which I was personally chosen to dwell in and share. However, as to the peripheral biblical doctrines that do not affect my salvation in the Lord, we all are free to move about in Him, as God's written words are interpreted to us by His Holy Spirit for our understanding.

We all know that we each learn of Him in different ways, at different speeds and on different levels, knowing also that we all are as equal to the repentant thief on the cross, who lived under the OC., who simply wanted to be "remembered" by Jesus. And that He did then, and continues to so for each of us today.

May God continue to bless us all in the knowledge of the Truth, who is Jesus,
Brother Earburner

Sorry for the delay in responding

LOVE your post here and AGREE - except on this "that we all are as equal to the repentant thief on the cross, who lived under the OC."

This is the BIG Difference = John chapter 4 , John 14:15-18 and Acts

My heart yearns with yours in Christ and i Love you and greatly appreciate your Love

 

[rvmb]

Sorry for the delay in responding

LOVE your post here and AGREE - except on this "that we all are as equal to the repentant thief on the cross, who lived under the OC."

This is the BIG Difference = John chapter 4 , John 14:15-18 and Acts

My heart yearns with yours in Christ and i Love you and greatly appreciate your Love

The Matt 24:21 GREAT TRIBULATION started in 70 AD ?
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be
When did we have a NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST to match NOR EVER SHALL BE ?

 

[David in NJ]

The Matt 24:21 GREAT TRIBULATION started in 70 AD ?
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be
When did we have a NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST to match NOR EVER SHALL BE ?

i do not hold to the 70AD all things fulfilled

the OP says it began in 70AD and continues to this day

 

[David in NJ]

The Matt 24:21 GREAT TRIBULATION started in 70 AD ?
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be
When did we have a NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST to match NOR EVER SHALL BE ?

No disputing Matt 24:21

So why your post here to me???