The challenge in Christianity is not to love Jesus, it's to love Judas.

[MonoBiblical]

I would ask @ProDeo too, how was asking and pleading working out for the rich man after he died and was in hell, who Jesus spoke about?

He wanted to help his relatives. He wasn't being justified to know what to ask.

 

[amigo de christo]

14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

Well, first off , JESUS did not give to us a parable with Abraham and Lazarus = they are REAL people and the account is literal. The fact that JESUS clearly named these individuals is clue #1. Clue #2 is that there is no hint or suggestion in this passage that it was a parable. Clue #3 is...

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read the title again .
to love judas
okay .
Now look at how the one who brought this thread
treats the actual words of GOD in the scriptures . cause i dont see love FOR THAT .
remember when JESUS said you cannot love mammon and GOD .
Well you cant love sin and GOD either .
Ye shall hold to the one and hate the other . thus the real GOD is hated , as are his words
and judas , lgbtq and even that which is of anti christ is now loved .
WHEN THE HECK is the church age gonna wake up .
YE cannot have the love of the world AND the Love of the Father .
YE WILL HOLD to the one and hate the other . fact friend . that is a fact .
THIS generation despises the GOD of the bible
THE JESUS of the bible
the apostels of the bible . THEY would run them all out as haters .
WE are being decieved by a love that is of the world , NOT GOD . that is why we see what we see in these
fallen churches .

 

[MonoBiblical]

read the title again .
to love judas
okay .
Now look at how the one who brought this thread
treats the actual words of GOD in the scriptures . cause i dont see love FOR THAT .
remember when JESUS said you cannot love mammon and GOD .
Well you cant love sin and GOD either .
Ye shall hold to the one and hate the other . thus the real GOD is hated , as are his words
and judas , lgbtq and even that which is of anti christ is now loved .
WHEN THE HECK is the church age gonna wake up .
YE cannot have the love of the world AND the Love of the Father .
YE WILL HOLD to the one and hate the other . fact friend . that is a fact .
THIS generation despises the GOD of the bible
THE JESUS of the bible
the apostels of the bible . THEY would run them all out as haters .
WE are being decieved by a love that is of the world , NOT GOD . that is why we see what we see in these
fallen churches .

Most of Israel made it through the GATE. And I don't mean a horror movie. While Jesus was still alive, this wasn't true. But he is no longer the gate, and the numbers those in the book of the life is not as sparse as you might think.

Religiously, I am neither liberal nor conservative.

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm not talking about extremes of man, brother, just Godly wisdom that teaches us to walk in wisdom toward those who are outside, and decently and in order within the church.

Look at the title of this thread .
NOW ask yourself how much love the one who brought it
has had for the truth in scriptures .
It should read lets love judas and hate the words of GOD that expose and correct sin .
You do realize what has happened .
Many now , under guise of these leaders , have the love of the world , NOT THE LOVE OF THE FATHER .
but they think its the LOVE of GOD . That is why we see so much anger
and resentment towards certain scrips that expose sin . And only a twisted v ersion of love
that hollers judge not correct not . Kinda odd they darn sure seem to JUDGE QUITE harshly the very words of GOD
And those who bring such words . This generation is being led into all out rebellion against GOD
against Christ and against the sheep .
ONLY to them being led THEY THINK its a love crusade to bring the world TO GOD . NOT GOD SISTER
it leads them as one to another who first rebelled AGAINST GOD
and is teaching them ONLY TO DO THE SAME .

 

[amigo de christo]

Most of Israel made it through the GATE. And I don't mean a horror movie. While Jesus was still alive, this wasn't true. But he is no longer the gate, and the numbers those in the book of the life is not as sparse as you might think.

i sure hope i misunderstood you . I sure hope you did not mean THAT JESUS IS NO LONGER the gate .
Please , oh please tell me this is NOT what you meant .

 

[MonoBiblical]

Look at the title of this thread .
NOW ask yourself how much love the one who brought it
has had for the truth in scriptures .
It should read lets love judas and hate the words of GOD that expose and correct sin .
You do realize what has happened .
Many now , under guise of these leaders , have the love of the world , NOT THE LOVE OF THE FATHER .
but they think its the LOVE of GOD . That is why we see so much anger
and resentment towards certain scrips that expose sin . And only a twisted v ersion of love
that hollers judge not correct not . Kinda odd they darn sure seem to JUDGE QUITE harshly the very words of GOD
And those who bring such words . This generation is being led into all out rebellion against GOD
against Christ and against the sheep .
ONLY to them being led THEY THINK its a love crusade to bring the world TO GOD . NOT GOD SISTER
it leads them as one to another who first rebelled AGAINST GOD
and is teaching them ONLY TO DO THE SAME .

To be fair; he doesn't believe Judas was the worst offender in the four fold gospel. But Judas was.

 

[MonoBiblical]

i sure hope i misunderstood you . I sure hope you did not mean THAT JESUS IS NO LONGER the gate .
Please , oh please tell me this is NOT what you meant .

God determines who is in the book of life.

 

[amigo de christo]

God determines who is in the book of life.

GOD DOES DETERMINE that . YOu spot on right my friend .
Dont expect to see CHRIST DENYING ONES in it .
You think that somehow the BOOK of life , is not the lambs book of life .
As if somehow , maybe somehow you have GOD AND HIS BOOK of life , verses JESUS and has book of life .
NO , oh no and no no .
BUT YOU ARE RIGHT GOD does determine . GUESS WHO ALL JUDG MENT has been given too .
THE SON . AND guess whose words shall be the judge HIS .
and the last time i checked HE said YE MUST BELEIVE IN ME or perish .
SO lets have us a real fast RETHINK friend.

 

[MonoBiblical]

GOD DOES DETERMINE that . YOu spot on right my friend .
Dont expect to see CHRIST DENYING ONES in it .
You think that somehow the BOOK of life , is not the lambs book of life .
As if somehow , maybe somehow you have GOD AND HIS BOOK of life , verses JESUS and has book of life .
NO , oh no and no no .
BUT YOU ARE RIGHT GOD does determine . GUESS WHO ALL JUDG MENT has been given too .
THE SON . AND guess whose words shall be the judge HIS .
and the last time i checked HE said YE MUST BELEIVE IN ME or perish .
SO lets have us a real fast RETHINK friend.

I expect all the naive do-gooders can make it through, even the evangelical idolaters, but not anyone with a bad and evil reputation.

 

[amigo de christo]

I expect all the naive do-gooders can make it through, even the evangelical idolaters, but not anyone with a bad and evil reputation.

THE ONLY ONES that can make it through , DO SO BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
THERE IS no other way or plan of salvation .
DO not let this be your end .
JESUS WILL BE THE JUDGE . THE FATHER COMMITTED ALL JUDGMENT UNTO THE SON .
AND HIS WORDS WILL BE THEIR JUDGE .
For pete sake , PREACH JESUS man . not this anti christ love stuff . AS IF A MAN can reject JESUS
and not have REJECTED GOD . IF one rejects THE SON , THEY DO REJECT THE FATHER .

 

[amigo de christo]

I expect all the naive do-gooders can make it through, even the evangelical idolaters, but not anyone with a bad and evil reputation.

No faith IN JESUS , no entrance in my friend . its that simple .

 

[St. SteVen]

Lizbeth said:
I would ask @ProDeo too, how was asking and pleading working out for the rich man after he died and was in hell, who Jesus spoke about?

He wanted to help his relatives. He wasn't being justified to know what to ask.

Yes.
And to be clear, the Rich Man was in Hades (Sheol) the realm of the dead.
This is before the age of judgement (evaluation) and correction/restoration/redemption

 

[quietthinker]

oh i knew what you meant . we should have wisdom . Just not the wisdom of man but of GOD .
I knew what you meant dear sister .

talking about having wisdom and actually having wisdom are two different things.

 

[MonoBiblical]

talking about having wisdom and actually having wisdom are two different things.

Wisdom means wit domain. I think the word is either worthless or used in the wrong contexts.

 

[Brakelite]

QUOTE....The challenge in Christianity is not to love Jesus, it's to love Judas.

I disagree. Easy to love someone who persecuted someone else. Try loving someone who's persecuting you.

 

[Brakelite]

Judas was possessed by Satan when he turned on Jesus.Therefore,Judas wasn't responsible.

That's why when he realized what happened in that state he returned the 30 pieces of silver to the demonic pharisees, and then hanged himself.

It isn't a matter of live.It is a matter of feeling compassion. While Satans possession was obviously done because otherwise Judas would have never betrayed Jesus otherwise.

And we know this because Satan chose to enter him and that's when "Judas" betrayed Jesus.

The thing is, in those days there were a lot of fake prophets. And they performed tricks meant to be miracles. Even turning water to wine.

Why then would the Sadducees and Pharisees want this one man dead? And so much so as to collude with Rome to get it done?

And after,curse themselves and their future generations for having done so?
"Let his blood be upon our heads and those of our children."

Live Judas? No. Empathize and sympathize with his plight,yes.

His possession was the way Jesus achieved his mission to earth. Maybe love Satan in that instance as God's emissary once more, for having insured Gods plan of Salvation began with having Jesus to die on the cross.

Two things. First, Jesus did not need Judas in order that He could die. Jesus could have died of old age in His bed and your redemption be just as secure.
Second, Satan enters only those who welcome him. He cannot do anything in your life except you open the door. Judas was absolutely responsible for his actions.

 

[Brakelite]

For our God is a consuming fire. ”
Hebrews 12:29 KJV
Is not God also eternal? What is eternal by nature other than God Himself? Certainly not mortal man. Not even angels. But surely that which is touched by that fire is consumed, yet the fire itself remains. There is however the following...

“The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? ”
Isaiah 33:14 KJV
https://www.unfeignedbible.app/Isaiah.33.14
Who survives being in the presence of God? Who survives being in the presence of everlasting eternal flame? Who survives “And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire"...

Who can stand in the midst of those everlasting burnings?..

“....them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. ”
Revelation 15:2 KJV

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Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? The next verse tells us.


“He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil; ”
Isaiah 33:15 KJV
What is destroyed by the presence of God, the devouring consuming fire, is sin. God does not plan to immortalize sin and those who cleave to it. They are consumed by the presence of God Himself, and those that survive are those covered by the blood of the Lamb. Sin, evil, wickedness, rebellion cannot, will not, survive when God Himself comes down from heaven in the holy City and Satan convinces all the resurrected wicked to attack the camp of the saints in order to take over the throne of God. They are destroyed. Completely and utterly obliterated from existence and the earth is then restored and recreated to its former Edenic glory and beauty without any "hell" or pain or sin or sinner or suffering or agony or crying to mar its perfection.

“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ”
Matthew 10:28 KJV
The wages of sin is death. The second death in revelation is for the wicked only: that death is destruction.

“7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; ”​

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 KJV

 

[ProDeo]

read the title again .
to love judas

Huh ?

I was asked for my opinion on the parable of Lazarus and the rich man.

 

[Lizbeth]

The role of prophecy has changed since Pentecost.

1 Corinthians 14:3 NIV
But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.

There are divers administrations as well as operations of that gift.

 

[Lizbeth]

14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

Well, first off , JESUS did not give to us a parable with Abraham and Lazarus = they are REAL people and the account is literal. The fact that JESUS clearly named these individuals is clue #1. Clue #2 is that there is no hint or suggestion in this passage that it was a parable. Clue #3 is...

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I'm not sure why you linked me to your post, but whether that story was a parable or literal, it seems apparent that the rich man wasn't going anywhere but where he was in hell, in spite of asking.