Can Apologetics become a god? - No question unanswered?

[Behold]

But after I had matured in the faith

No Bible denier, has "matured in the faith".

In fact, if you have any maturity, faithwise........or spiritually, then your Threads would not be starving for answers, trying to pretend they are legitamate questions.

You only post "what do you think"......" let discsuss this".... "what i use to believe"........because you have no theoloical foundation, other than Satanic Universalism @St. SteVen .

 

[talons]

Another time, a different subject, I don't remember what it was, I pointed out a place where different Biblical authors had conflicting directions for a certain situation. Instead of denying that the Bible had contradictions (like I see over and over in here), my pastor's advice for such situations was to choose whenever possible to let love guide my interpretation and actions. I remember that, though I don't think it's always possible.

I would say let the Holy Spirit guide your interpretations and actions . Contradictions , things have been lost in the translations we have has to be part of it IMO . We don't have a "THE BIBLE " , we have many translations .

 

[Behold]

I would say let the Holy Spirit guide your interpretations and actions . Contradictions , things have been lost in the translations we have has to be part of it IMO . We don't have a "THE BIBLE " , we have many translations .

The author of so many Translations, is not God caused., as this actually causes a lot of confusion and God does not author confusion.

One of the best ways to discover "which bible" should i use"" ????... which is the real one......is regarding 3 Situations..


1.) Find out if the bible you are using, says....>>"God is A Spirit".. which is defining God's Spirit as the Holy Spirit......or if your bible says...>>>. """" God is Spirit"......as in that case, the so called "bible' is not making a distinction between the Devil's unholy demoic spirit, and God's Holy Spirit, which is "A" Spirit = God's/
Certainly God would author a Bible that makes that distinction, and would not be the source of a "bible" that doesn't.

Next.

2.) Does your bible say......>"God was manifested in the Flesh"......or does it say.....>>"HE, was manifested in the Flesh". ?????

So, if it says "HE"....then "He who?"".......as the bible is not defining that "God" was "manifested in the Flesh".

And one more..

3.) Discover which Bible is under attack, most of all on Forums and from Pulpits, and in Commentaries......... and you've discovered the one that Satan's hates.. and that is a revelation for you.

 

[quietthinker]

One can be enthusiastic (love) about the Bible and about their Church ie, their selective theology; This is evidenced by what is spoken but does it mean there is a love for God? It might appear like that on the surface. Jesus says this, '
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. John 5:39-40

...and here is the same text from the Message

“You have your heads in your Bibles constantly because you think you’ll find eternal life there. But you miss the forest for the trees. These Scriptures are all about me! And here I am, standing right before you, and you aren’t willing to receive from me the life you say you want.

Listening/ hearing is not that difficult. Men speak of what they love and those whose love is the Bible will quote it and argue it turning it this way and that way endlessly.
It means little to me because their love is not for its author even while they make out it is; if it were they would seek to present Jesus in the most favourable light, but they do not because they can not and they can't because they do not know him.

John continues in 5:41-44
I do not receive glory from men; but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves. I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?

 

[Behold]

You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. John 5:39-40

When Jesus spoke His verse, noone at that time in Jerusalem knew that He was Eternal Life incarnate

So, His words are TRUE, and John testifies of their Truth, by telling Christians..>"you can KNOW you have Eternal LIFE< and this life is in JESUS (God's Son).""

Christians can know always that they are going to heaven, BECAUSE = all Chrisitans have Eternal life and that is proof of their eternal citizenship IN Heaven... as born again.

And this is why, John 14:6 says......."I AM.... The Way ..... The TRUTH.......and THE LIFE"...

Notice that this life is THE life.......as that is signifing Jesus as ETERNAL LIFE, as John Explains.

And Jesus explaines it and defines Himself again, when He says........"All who believe in me, i give unto them eternal life, and they shall never go to HELL (Perish)".

 

[quietthinker]

When Jesus spoke His verse, noone at that time knew that He was Eternal Life incarnate.

So, His words are TRUE, and John testifies of their Truth, by telling Christians.......>"you can KNOW you have Eternal LIFE< and this life is in JESUS (God's Son).""

And this is why, John 14:6 says......."I AM.... The Way ..... The TRUTH.......and THE LIFE"...

Notice that this life is THE life.......as that is signifing Jesus as ETERNAL LIFE, as John Explains.

And Jesus explaines it and defines Himself again, when He says........"All who believe in me, i give unto them eternal life, and they shall never go to HELL (Perish)".

You constantly talk about METHODS. Do you talk about your wife like that?

 

[Behold]

You constantly talk about METHODS.

I didnt teach about "methods"......its simply your incapacity to comprehend, that led you to think that....regarding what i taught.

Im not certain you are a Christian, as your posts that ive seen around for the last 3-4 yrs.... literally dont indicate that you could even begin to explain what the Blood of Jesus has accomplished as the blood atonement, but, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt...ok ? ....And in that case, you should rejoice that God has given all Christians, "the gift of Eternal life" and that is found In His Son.

And @quietthinker ........that is not a "METHOD".........that is a "Gift" from God.

This is also what it means to become 'IN Christ".

 

[quietthinker]

I didnt teach about "methods"......its simply your incapacity to comprehend, that led you to think that....regarding what i taught.

Im not certain you are a Christian, as your posts, dont indicate that you could even begin to explain what the Blood of Jesus has accomplished as the blood atonement, but, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt...ok ? ....And in that case, you should rejoice that God has given all Christians, "the gift of Eternal life" and that is found In His Son.

This is also what it means to become 'IN Christ".

Your pride and arrogance are gob-smacking Behold, they have disabled your ability to discern.

 

[Behold]

Your pride and arrogance are gob-smacking Behold, they have disabled your ability to discern.

You use bible phrases, like "discern", yet you dont understand them.

You are one of those Religious people who comes to a "christian" forum, and can't add anything to any Thread, that is useful, or is related to the New Testament.
What you write is very confused......often its not even related to the Topic of the Thread or to the very post you are responding to, @quietthinker .

 

[quietthinker]

You use bible phrases, like "discern", yet you dont understand them.

You are one of those Religious people who comes to a "christian" forum, and can't add anything to any Thread, that is useful, or is related to the New Testament.
What you write is very confused......often its not even related to the Topic of the Thread or to the very post you are responding to, @quietthinker .

as expected, mudding the water under the guise of clarification is your style, in fact it's the signature of lack of discernment.

 

[Behold]

as expected, mudding the water under the guise of clarification is your style, in fact it's the signature of lack of discernment.

Actually, i was only speaking about you.
Consider.
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And regarding the Thread's topic..

Well, a student of the word, can't learn too much of Paul's Doctrine., as by learning it, the NT teaches that we become this..

"As many as be PERFECT"...... (Paul's verse).

I'll tell you @quietthinker ....where real Christians, get into a bad situation. and become lost in it.

Its based on them :

1.) Spending WAY too much time with commentaries, until the author's theology becomes their bible. (Calvinism, for example). Or the Book of Mormon.....is another example.... or commentaries that teach "Univeralism", or "Mormonism".

2.) Listening to anyone who tries to prove "errors in the bible" "errors in the word of God"... as that is the devil's work, that began in the Garden with Satan Himself........who said of God's word... "Hath God said"?... "listen there is more then one interpretation"... "let me show you the NEW meaning". 'Here is a better version"...

3.) Listing to someone who has decided that the "koine Greek" is superior to the word of God. (The Bible).


Reader.......specifially avoid those 3 and you'll probably save yourself from being faith ruined, for the rest of your life.

 

[Lambano]

I would say let the Holy Spirit guide your interpretations and actions .

Perhaps this was her way of showing me how to distinguish the Holy Spirit's voice above the rest of the clamor vying for my attention.

 

[St. SteVen]

Christianity claims to have all the answers.
In order to maintain that claim Apologetics were born.
And to be clear, a reasonable amount of Apologetics aren't a problem.
A biblical basis for our faith.

But after I had matured in the faith (go ahead and laugh),
I began to notice something about Apologetics.
Church attenders, and especially those who hadn't memorized
all the Apologetics, wanted answers.
To pastor a church meant being the answer man (or woman).
The flock wants answers.

And in some cases, it seemed that if a Pastor, or Bible commentator, didn't have an answer,
they made something up. Which left me in a strange place. A loss of trust in the ability of leadership.
It was never okay to say, "I don't know." The church response might be,
"We need to find a new Pastor."

Discussion questions:
1) Is our faith built upon answers?
2) Are we saved by Apologetics?
3) Aren't doctrines man-made?
4) Have Apologetics ever failed you?
5) Can Apologetics become a god?


--- PARODY ---

Christian: We have all the answers.
Victim: Good; I haven't done today's crossword puzzle yet.
Christian: I didn't mean those sort of answers.
Victim: That's okay, I can do my own puzzle games.
Christian: I mean the really important answers to life.
Victim: Like how to get my keys out of a locked car?
Christian: No, like where you will spend eternity.
Victim: It seems to take an eternity to get my keys out of a locked car.
Christian: Aren't you concerned about your eternal destiny?
Victim: Not really. I'm concerned about getting my keys out of a locked car.
Christian: That is a temporal concern; I'm talking about eternity.
Victim: I'm late for an appointment. That's my main concern at the moment.
Christian: Shouldn't you be more concerned about your eternal destiny?
Victim: Oh good, the police just arrived to rescue me.
Christian: To rescue you from being locked out of your car?
Victim: No, to rescue me from you.

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[St. SteVen]

Can Apologetics become a god? - No question unanswered?​

I have brushed up against this topic on occasion. Time to hit it head-on.

Christianity claims to have all the answers. In order to maintain that claim Apologetics were born.
And to be clear, a reasonable amount of Apologetics aren't a problem. A biblical basis for our faith.

But after I had matured in the faith (go ahead and laugh), I began to notice something about Apologetics.
Church attenders, and especially those who hadn't memorized all the Apologetics, wanted answers.
To pastor a church meant being the answer man (or woman). The flock wants answers.

And in some cases, it seemed that if a Pastor, or Bible commentator, didn't have an answer,
they made something up. Which left me in a strange place. A loss of trust in the ability of leadership.
It was never okay to say, "I don't know." The church response might be, "We need to find a new Pastor."

Discussion questions:
1) Is our faith built upon answers?
2) Are we saved by Apologetics?
3) Aren't doctrines man-made?
4) Have Apologetics ever failed you?
5) Can Apologetics become a god?

 

[Archie]

1. My faith is built upon Christ
2. Christ is my salvation
3. John 7:14-18
4. ἀπολογία of Christ, no never
5. Intellectual idol yes, god no

 

[St. SteVen]

5. Intellectual idol yes, god no

Agree.
A reasonable amount of Apologetics aren't a problem. A biblical basis for our faith.

What do you use apologetics for?

BTW: Welcome to the forum.

 

[Archie]

Agree.
A reasonable amount of Apologetics aren't a problem. A biblical basis for our faith.

What do you use apologetics for?

BTW: Welcome to the forum.

Honestly brother, its been quite some time since I've had a need to make any defense whatsoever of the Gospel. But I'm not an Evangelist, not that I don't evangelize, its just not my gift.

The Lord has taught me instead to lift up beforehand in prayer those whom He has chosen to cross my path, when they do, the ground has usually been tilled and its merely up to me to toss a few seeds or do a little watering.

Not long ago He placed a name upon my heart, I prayed for this brother for two months without the slightest clue who He was, and then he finally came along. He was hungry for a bible, which being an agnostic cultural Muslim he had never once even held in his hand.

He has one now, and I still pray for him regularly, though I have yet to meet him again, I fully expect to see Him one day in the Kingdom.

I'm no scholar, but neither am I a novice. Should apologetics ever be required I trust that Our Father will give me the proper words to say at that time.

Thanks for the welcome.
Yours in Christ.

 

[St. SteVen]

The Lord has taught me instead to lift up beforehand in prayer those whom He has chosen to cross my path, when they do, the ground has usually been tilled and its merely up to me to toss a few seeds or do a little watering.

Not long ago He placed a name upon my heart, I prayed for this brother for two months without the slightest clue who He was, and then he finally came along. He was hungry for a bible, which being an agnostic cultural Muslim he had never once even held in his hand.

He has one now, and I still pray for him regularly, though I have yet to meet him again, I fully expect to see Him one day in the Kingdom.

Fantastic testimony, thanks.

 

[Jack]

Agree.
A reasonable amount of Apologetics aren't a problem. A biblical basis for our faith.

Seriously?

Quoting YOU: "no wonder I don't trust the Bible"

 

[St. SteVen]

Seriously?

Quoting YOU: "no wonder I don't trust the Bible"

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