Can Apologetics become a god? - No question unanswered?

[Behold]

4) Have Apologetics ever failed you?
5) Can Apologetics become a god?

Here is a simple assignment for you @St Steven.

Write ONE Thread, JUST ONE.......... that gives God, Jesus, and The Bible, and the Body of Christ some praise and adoration and RESPECT on a PUBLIC Forum.

See, You've never done this even ONCE, since you've been here for 2 yrs...., so, give it a try just one time @St Steven, as you dont want to meet God never having done this even ONCE on a "christian forum".

Now is your chance, as you claim to be a chrisitan, so, this should not be something you find impossible to do, tho, it has been so far... we've noticed for 2 yrs in a row.

- Best of luck : Mr False Gospel. = (Universalism).

 

[St. SteVen]

Write ONE Thread, JUST ONE.......... that gives God, Jesus, and The Bible, and the Body of Christ some praise and adoration and RESPECT on a PUBLIC Forum.

I don't recall any forum member doing this.
Do you any examples?
Why would you single me out of all the others?

 

[Behold]

I don't recall any forum member doing this.
Do you any examples?
Why would you single me out of all the others?

You are the only forum member here, who NEVER posts anything about GOD, the Bible, or the Church, that does not insult.

And this defines your so called "christianity" on this Forum, = for all to see.

See you there next time @ St Steven.

 

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I have brushed up against this topic on occasion. Time to hit it head-on.​

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Christianity claims to have all the answers. In order to maintain that claim Apologetics were born.​

And to be clear, a reasonable amount of Apologetics aren't a problem. A biblical basis for our faith.​

​

But after I had matured in the faith (go ahead and laugh), I began to notice something about Apologetics.​

Church attenders, and especially those who hadn't memorized all the Apologetics, wanted answers.​

To pastor a church meant being the answer man (or woman). The flock wants answers. ​

​

And in some cases, it seemed that if a Pastor, or Bible commentator, didn't have an answer,​

they made something up. Which left me in a strange place. A loss of trust in the ability of leadership.​

It was never okay to say, "I don't know." ​

The church response might be, "We need to find a new Pastor."​

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Discussion questions:​

1) Is our faith built upon answers?​

2) Are we saved by Apologetics?​

3) Aren't doctrines man-made?​

4) Have Apologetics ever failed you?​

5) Can Apologetics become a god?​

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--- PARODY ---​

​

Christian: We have all the answers.​

Victim: Good; I haven't done today's crossword puzzle yet.​

Christian: I didn't mean those sort of answers.​

Victim: That's okay, I can do my own puzzle games.​

Christian: I mean the really important answers to life.​

Victim: Like how to get my keys out of a locked car?​

Christian: No, like where you will spend eternity.​

Victim: It seems to take an eternity to get my keys out of a locked car.​

Christian: Aren't you concerned about your eternal destiny?​

Victim: Not really. I'm concerned about getting my keys out of a locked car.​

Christian: That is a temporal concern; I'm talking about eternity.​

Victim: I'm late for an appointment. That's my main concern at the moment.​

Christian: Shouldn't you be more concerned about your eternal destiny?​

Victim: Oh good, the police just arrived to rescue me.​

Christian: To rescue you from being locked out of your car?​

Victim: No, to rescue me from you.​

'For we are saved by hope:
but hope that is seen is not hope:
for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
But if we hope for that we see not,
then do we with patience wait for it.
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:
for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:
but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us
with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And He that searcheth the hearts
knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit,
because He maketh intercession for the saints
according to the will of God.'
(Rom 8:24-27)

Hello @St. SteVen,

I believe that faith is based upon Scriptural facts: So that it is not blind, but based on knowledge. The Bible in the hands of the Holy Spirit is the Teacher, and the Bible is the means by which He operates within the heart and mind of the believer. He searches what is the mind of the spirit within, and provides accordingly. It is to Him we are to bring our questions, not to the Pastor or any other man. The Scriptures provide the answers, we must read it (rightly dividing it - 2 Tim. 2:15) and become acquainted with what it says, and experienced in it's use. Lazy Christians remain weak and pulled around by every wind of doctrine (Eph. 4:14).

* The strong amongst must help the weaker members, not condemn or point the finger, but in love edify one another.

'Till we all come in the unity of the faith,
and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
unto a perfect man,
unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children,
tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness,
whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
But speaking the truth in love,
may grow up into Him in all things,
which is the head, even Christ:
From Whom the whole body
fitly joined together and compacted
by that which every joint supplieth,
according to the effectual working in the measure of every part,
maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.'
(Eph 4:13-16)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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St. SteVen said:-
1) Is our faith built upon answers?
2) Are we saved by Apologetics?
3) Aren't doctrines man-made?
4) Have Apologetics ever failed you?
5) Can Apologetics become a god?

Hello @St. SteVen,

1) Our faith is built upon one foundation, the Lord Jesus Christ, His Person and His Work
2) We are saved by hope (Rom. 8:24), on the basis of the promise of God made to us, on the surety of the finished work of Christ.
3) Doctrines found in the Scriptures (rightly divided 2 Ti,. 2:15), which are 'for' us during this present economy, are not man-made, but are of God. (See Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 2 Timothy and Titus).
4) Yes, the words of man have failed me. I have had to both learn and unlearn.
5) Yes, it is possible to place oneself under the authority of man, and fail to search the Scriptures to find out whether what is being said by the Pastor or Teacher is in fact so, and applicable to us within this present economy of grace. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Jack]

Definition of Sociopath​

Sociopath is an informal term often used to describe someone with antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). This condition is characterized by a consistent pattern of behavior that shows a disregard for the rights and feelings of others.

Key Characteristics​

• Lack of Empathy: Sociopaths typically do not understand or care about the emotions of others.
• Manipulative Behavior: They often use deceit and manipulation to achieve their goals.
• Impulsivity: Sociopaths may act without thinking about the consequences of their actions.
• Disregard for Social Norms: They frequently violate laws and social rules without remorse.

That sounds much like someone who claims to be Christian and attacks and insults God of the Bible and Bible believers.

Quoting YOU again: "I'm not convinced that God wanted us to have a Bible".

 

[St. SteVen]

Can Apologetics become a god? - No question unanswered?​

I have brushed up against this topic on occasion. Time to hit it head-on.

Christianity claims to have all the answers. In order to maintain that claim, Apologetics were born.
And to be clear, a reasonable amount of Apologetics aren't a problem. A biblical basis for our faith.

But after I had matured in the faith (go ahead and laugh), I began to notice something about Apologetics.
Church attenders, and especially those who hadn't memorized all the Apologetics, wanted answers.
To pastor a church meant being the answer man (or woman). The flock wants answers.

And in some cases, it seemed that if a Pastor, or Bible commentator,
didn't have an answer, they made something up. Which left me in a strange place.
A loss of trust in the ability of leadership. It was never okay to say, "I don't know."
The church response might be, "We need to find a new Pastor."

Discussion questions:
1) Is our faith built upon answers?
2) Are we saved by Apologetics?
3) Aren't doctrines man-made?
4) Have Apologetics ever failed you?
5) Can Apologetics become a god?


--- PARODY ---

Christian: We have all the answers.
Victim: Good; I haven't done today's crossword puzzle yet.
Christian: I didn't mean those sort of answers.
Victim: That's okay, I can do my own puzzle games.
Christian: I mean the really important answers to life.
Victim: Like how to get my keys out of a locked car?
Christian: No, like where you will spend eternity.
Victim: It seems to take an eternity to get my keys out of a locked car.
Christian: Aren't you concerned about your eternal destiny?
Victim: Not really. I'm concerned about getting my keys out of a locked car.
Christian: That is a temporal concern; I'm talking about eternity.
Victim: I'm late for an appointment. That's my main concern at the moment.
Christian: Shouldn't you be more concerned about your eternal destiny?
Victim: Oh good, the police just arrived to rescue me.
Christian: To rescue you from being locked out of your car?
Victim: No, to rescue me from you.

 

[Jack]

Can Apologetics become a god? - No question unanswered?​

I have brushed up against this topic on occasion. Time to hit it head-on.

Christianity claims to have all the answers.

Yeah, the Bible that you said you don't trust.

In order to maintain that claim, Apologetics were born.
And to be clear, a reasonable amount of Apologetics aren't a problem. A biblical basis for our faith.

But after I had matured in the faith (go ahead and laugh), I began to notice something about Apologetics.
Church attenders, and especially those who hadn't memorized all the Apologetics, wanted answers.
To pastor a church meant being the answer man (or woman). The flock wants answers.

And in some cases, it seemed that if a Pastor, or Bible commentator,
didn't have an answer, they made something up. Which left me in a strange place.
A loss of trust in the ability of leadership. It was never okay to say, "I don't know."
The church response might be, "We need to find a new Pastor."

Discussion questions:
1) Is our faith built upon answers?
2) Are we saved by Apologetics?
3) Aren't doctrines man-made?
4) Have Apologetics ever failed you?
5) Can Apologetics become a god?


--- PARODY ---

Christian: We have all the answers.

Yeah, the Bible that you said you don't trust!

Victim: Good; I haven't done today's crossword puzzle yet.
Christian: I didn't mean those sort of answers.
Victim: That's okay, I can do my own puzzle games.
Christian: I mean the really important answers to life.
Victim: Like how to get my keys out of a locked car?
Christian: No, like where you will spend eternity.
Victim: It seems to take an eternity to get my keys out of a locked car.
Christian: Aren't you concerned about your eternal destiny?
Victim: Not really. I'm concerned about getting my keys out of a locked car.
Christian: That is a temporal concern; I'm talking about eternity.
Victim: I'm late for an appointment. That's my main concern at the moment.
Christian: Shouldn't you be more concerned about your eternal destiny?
Victim: Oh good, the police just arrived to rescue me.
Christian: To rescue you from being locked out of your car?
Victim: No, to rescue me from you.

Don't believe in Hell yet? You will, everybody SOON will!

 

[Behold]

But after I had matured in the faith

You believe and teach a Satanic Gospel : UNIVERSALISM.

So, you have not matured "in the faith", you have only become "doubled down" deceived GALATIANS 1:8.... would like to do the same to as many as you can possibly mislead @St. SteVen

 

[St. SteVen]

You believe and teach a Satanic Gospel : UNIVERSALISM.

Universalism
The Prevailing Doctrine​

Of The Christian Church During
Its First Five Hundred Years

(and showing the influence of Greek Mythology
and pagan philisophy on Christian Doctrine)

--I Corinthians xv. 28

tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html

 

[Jack]

Universalism​

The Prevailing Doctrine​

Of The Christian Church During
Its First Five Hundred Years

(and showing the influence of Greek Mythology
and pagan philisophy on Christian Doctrine)

--I Corinthians xv. 28

tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html

So your god is myth and pagan? Is that why you won't tell us who your god is?

 

[Pavel Mosko]

I have brushed up against this topic on occasion. Time to hit it head-on.

Christianity claims to have all the answers. In order to maintain that claim Apologetics were born.
And to be clear, a reasonable amount of Apologetics aren't a problem. A biblical basis for our faith.

But after I had matured in the faith (go ahead and laugh), I began to notice something about Apologetics.
Church attenders, and especially those who hadn't memorized all the Apologetics, wanted answers.
To pastor a church meant being the answer man (or woman). The flock wants answers.

And in some cases, it seemed that if a Pastor, or Bible commentator, didn't have an answer,
they made something up. Which left me in a strange place. A loss of trust in the ability of leadership.
It was never okay to say, "I don't know." The church response might be, "We need to find a new Pastor."

Discussion questions:
1) Is our faith built upon answers?
2) Are we saved by Apologetics?
3) Aren't doctrines man-made?
4) Have Apologetics ever failed you?
5) Can Apologetics become a god?


--- PARODY ---

Christian: We have all the answers.
Victim: Good; I haven't done today's crossword puzzle yet.
Christian: I didn't mean those sort of answers.
Victim: That's okay, I can do my own puzzle games.
Christian: I mean the really important answers to life.
Victim: Like how to get my keys out of a locked car?
Christian: No, like where you will spend eternity.
Victim: It seems to take an eternity to get my keys out of a locked car.
Christian: Aren't you concerned about your eternal destiny?
Victim: Not really. I'm concerned about getting my keys out of a locked car.
Christian: That is a temporal concern; I'm talking about eternity.
Victim: I'm late for an appointment. That's my main concern at the moment.
Christian: Shouldn't you be more concerned about your eternal destiny?
Victim: Oh good, the police just arrived to rescue me.
Christian: To rescue you from being locked out of your car?
Victim: No, to rescue me from you.

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I guess most of the time I'm on the other side of the issue, but I guess I can understand the sentiment based on seeing a certain amount of pat unsatisfying answers coming from "Apologetics". But on my end it seems to me that Skepticism and Iconoclasm has an unfair advantage in society. There is a basic rule of Common Sense and Epistemology that "the person brining the claim has the burden of the proof". This basic rule of thumb is there to keep some Johnny Come Lately from causing trouble when that person has not even paid their dues. Furthermore, if you are cagey you can try to game the system when it comes to this, kind of like how atheism has been redefined in the recent decades (lack of belief in gods or God, rather than believing there is no god or Gods).

Anyway, it seems like there is a lot of cheap and easy skepticism. You got people that haven't really studied a topic seriously questioning it and it can be like an exercise in the Dunning and Krueger affect from folks who see things in terms of stereotypes etc. I used to see this a lot, even dealing with atheists-on-atheists forums and such.