Reason for The Crusades explained
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Wick Stick
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With a name like Smedley, you know he learned to fight early
The Catholics “saved” Nicene Christianity. Ironically, many Nicene Creed affirming Christians now punch them in the throat while celebrating what they did to Jews, Muslims, and Christians who didn’t affirm the Nicene Creed.
Big Boy Johnson
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And when compared to the teachings of Jesus and His continued teaching ministry thru the writings of the Apostles... we know that catholicism is false doctrine and as such is a different "gospel" leading to another "jesus" which is the devil presenting himself as an angel of light to deceive people so they end up in hell.
Sadly, many "Christians" adhere to what we may think is a false doctrine without examining our own doctrine to check whether or not it is also a false doctrine and that we should not be throwing stones at other "Christians" without checking to see if the splinter in our own eye is not a log instead.
Big Boy Johnson
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They are deceived because they go to some building every now and again where to guy up front claims "I speak for God" and then they believe whatever he tells them kinda like they do when they visit an attorney or a doctor.
Personally I don't believe anything preachers, attorneys, or doctors say because they are all self serving and none of them have my best interests in mind let alone know what they are talking about.
I've found the Lord's Word is far superior to preachers, attorneys, or doctors and He sent the Teacher (Holy Ghost) to do the teaching.
Personally I don't believe anything preachers, attorneys, or doctors say because they are all self serving and none of them have my best interests in mind let alone know what they are talking about.
I've found the Lord's Word is far superior to preachers, attorneys, or doctors and He sent the Teacher (Holy Ghost) to do the teaching.
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I think what brought Nicene Christianity to life in the first place was a Roman emperor who wanted peace regardless biblical truth, and a church that welcomed political power at the cost of spiritual power, and was willing to go to war to defend it. As I mentioned previously, the Aryan nations of the Heruli,the Vandals and the Goths paid the price for their "heresy". Among others.
FredVB
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Having another doctrine does not mean having another gospel. Everyone, and I include myself, would be wrong about something. Most generally it would be eschatological views. No one would miss having salvation over that. But none of eschatology would be called doctrine anyway. But we can have some unity with believers generally anyway, with agreement to the gospel of salvation, restoration to God with repentant faith, through Jesus Christ making it available with all he did and is doing.
That’s a solid stance against the Nicene Creed but it was ignored by those who affirm it. There has to be more offered - preferably and ideally in one of the “Christians Only“ forums - in order for them to even begin considering a change of mind.
Chihuahua
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That wasn't the motive. The Crusades are a term used to describe a series of military campaigns by united Christian nations that were taking over Christian lands and compelling them to conversion. They also blocked holy sites that were previously in Christian hands.
You are completely wrong there. They took over the lands held by Christians in the Middle East. They invaded modern Spain, also Christian, and took over northern Africa, also Christian... all centuries before the Crusades. Muslims were and always have been aggressive invaders.
The Cathars were not Christians. It was led by the French army to restore order.
No on the Waldensians. They just merged with the protestant movement and faded out. Some rejoined the Church as Poor Catholics. I have no idea what "pagan Rome in the east." means. These groups attacked the former eastern Roman Empire, which was Christian, which was all that was left of the Roman Empire when the western Roman Empire fell apart. These groups raided from the north while the Muhammadans attacked the south and eventually made way to conquering all of the (Eastern) Roman Empire.
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The term "Crusade" is used by historians to refer to sets of military action generally meant to spare Christians from the takeover by the Muhammadans. The Pope is not about to come out and shake a pointless stick. The only result would be Christians in the Middle East being further killed and raped. It would give fuel to the angry Muhammadans that want to attack the west too. Making the Crusades out to be attacks of "Christians they didn't agree with" is beyond absurd. The Goths and other tribes were not Christians until they finally conquered parts of the west, settled, and then converted.
Chihuahua
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Hmm, nothing I believe contradicts any scripture. You know it is fake how? Protestants have 40,000 different doctrines and that is just in the mind of any single protestant on any given hour of any given day. Well, they say, we contradict each other and our previous held beliefs as individuals except for the stuff that really matters... then you ask what those are and they have no answer. So protestants don't really believe anything.
Chihuahua
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He didn't care. All Christian communities had a creed, for example the Old Roman Creed:
"I believe in God the Father almighty; and in Christ Jesus His only Son, our Lord, Who was born from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, Who under Pontius Pilate was crucified and buried, on the third day rose again from the dead, ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, whence he will come to judge the living and the dead; and in the Holy Spirit, the holy Church, the remission of sins, the resurrection of the flesh, life everlasting."
Sound familiar? Each community emphasized certain things but did not include others, even though they were in agreement. The Gospels were the same way. Four Gospels, all saying the same thing, but some Gospels did not include what was recorded in another. Some communities only had one of them. The Nicene Creed became a standard for Christians now that they didn't have to go into hiding. The creeds were manmade based upon scripture and so it was compiled into a single version.
The barbarians became an issue long after the Nicene Creed. Your post are incredibly anachronistic and ahistorical. The Vandals and Goths were pagans until they settled down and converted. They were not a persecuted group of Christians, they were raiders, conquers, and then settled in, converted, and were recognized as kings of western Europe by the Pope, which made the Christian Emperor of the (Eastern or Byzantine) Empire unhappy and he consider those lands still part of the Empire.
Chihuahua
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Insofar as the Crusades, they were just like any modern military issue. People make one sided arguments. You could do that with Afghanistan and Iraq. It was about oil, control of the Middle East and Bin Laden was innocent and so was Hussein. It is fine to point out what was justified and if other motives existed. Christianity was being taken over. I cannot believe one poster tried to argue it was about going after Christians who disagreed with them. Say that to a professor of history even at a community college and you'd be laughed at.
I agree the Muslims took over all of the Christian lands you mentioned plus Syria and Turkey. And those lands are Muslim today.
After the Muslims invaded Spain and started to enter into France, I understand that was the tipping point for starting the Crusades. They were very cruel in their torture of Christians including clergy.
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