Chihuahua
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So, theologian or not, you seem to agree that we have flaws, but scripture does not.
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So, theologian or not, you seem to agree that we have flaws, but scripture does not.
Chihuahua
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Cult is a pejorative. They do not go around begging for money or do weird stuff. I know the priests and nuns were rumored to have babies together and they'd eat them on the alter. Kids got hit with bricks on the way home from school. Catholics. The UK discriminated against us into the late 20th Century. Catholics for centuries had to exist underground. Bosses in the US would ask what a person's church is when coming to work.
Cults often go after people for not sharing their beliefs.
Chihuahua
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What is a cult Triumph?
HOW is the CC a cult if it's teaching the same exact gospel YOU believe to be correct?
(do words mean anything anymore??)
The CC, just as any Protestant denomination or non-protestant denomination, is allowed to teach whatever doctrine it deems to be correct- and most of them certainly are.
Because YOU do not agree with its doctrines DOES NOT mean the CC is a cult.
I've sat in services where the bashing of the CC is done.
I've NEVER sat in a Mass where Protestantism is bashed.
Interesting.
Which is doing more what Jesus requested?
MAY WE BE AS ONE AS JESUS AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.
John 17:20-23
Triumph1300
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Wow! Really?
The Roman Catholic Church never bashed Protestantism??????
You say: "Which is doing more what Jesus requested......"
The RCC burned hundreds of Protestants at the stake for refusing to recant their faith.
And not just protestants. Also Jews and Muslims.
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Triumph1300
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I said the Bible has no flaws.
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It takes theologians to mess up the gospel.
Just recently a "theologian" (University degree) was asked about "house churches".
The answer was: "Thats totally wrong, it is not mentioned in scripture. Get out of it!!!!!"
The early churches were house churches.
We're in the 21st century Triumph.
Could you, like, let go of your hatred?
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT BASH PROTESTANTISM.
Unless you could post something that shows that it does.
But they are NOT today.
Jesus didn't tell ALL His disciples to go teach and baptize.
He told the APOSTLES.
God only knows what a house church would teach.
We'd be sliding into cults - which is why it's not advised.
Christians are no longer being persecuted as in the early days.
House churches are no longer necessary.
Hi, I like the way you are discussing the issues.
1Pet 3:21 "There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
The preceding verse 20 sets up the idea of Christ, being an antitype. This "baptism" is an "antitype" of the Lord Jesus, which is a symbol of the water and the ark that saved Adam and the other eight. An antitype is not the literal object but a metaphor of the Object, in this case the Lord Jesus. In literal "water baptism" there is no causality of salvation, nor is it essential for salvation because one is already saved prior to baptizing. Hence the phrase "not the removal of the filth of the flesh" e.g. removing dirt from the body during baptism), "but the answer of a good conscience toward God (which demonstrates a mind clear of sin's guilt).
"Shall be saved," such receive the remission of their sins a justifying righteousness, the privilege of adoption, a right and meetness for heaven now, and shall be saved in Christ, with an everlasting salvation; not that either faith or baptism, are the procuring causes of salvation: not faith, for Christ is the author of salvation; and faith is the grace that looks to him for it, receives the assurance of it now, and that will be the end of it hereafter: faith and eternal life are so connected together, that he that has the one, shall have the other; and it is descriptive of the person that shall enjoy it: and baptism, though it is said to save by the resurrection of Christ, as it is a means of leading faith to Christ's resurrection for justification, yet has no casual influence upon salvation; it is not essential to it; the thief on the cross, went to heaven without it, and Simon Magus to hell with it; but it is the duty of every one that believes, and he that truly believes, ought to be baptized, and prove the truth of his faith, by his obedience to Christ, and such shall be saved:
These verses are obviously a symbolic metaphor, for Christ did not mean His Body and blood literally!
John Gill: The words design a spiritual eating of Christ by faith. To eat the flesh, and drink the blood of Christ, is to believe that Christ is come in the flesh, and is truly and really man; that His flesh is given for the "Life" of His people (Col 3:4), and His Blood is shed for their sins.
I don't understand what you mean here, but we should be concerned about any teaching that claims to be genuine, but in truth it's false.
Chihuahua
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The observation is that at Mass protestantism is rarely, if ever bashed. Does not mean there are not a few fringe weirdos out there. Protestants rarely, if ever openly attack Catholicism at services. However, they certainly are out there. There are plenty of videos out there making Catholicism out to be devil worship, calling it pagan, etc.
I am not aware of any Jews or Muslims being burned at the stake for their faith. That was reserved by both Catholics and protestant for heretics. Queen Elizabeth made it a thought crime to be Catholic and used hanging, drawing, and quartering for Catholic men, and burning offending women.
Chihuahua
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So the bible has no flaws and humans have flaws in understand scripture, yes? If we are in agreement, I am not seeing why you pointed that out?
Theologians and anyone can be historically or theologically wrong.
Chihuahua
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They can certainly get creepy, like a guy that reads the bible and believes he is called to preach, with no real theological education or endorsements by any reputable group. Then you have the folks that passed only certificates and present it as real. My favorite is when someone says the are Dr. So and So and they went to an online non-accredited diploma mill and paid out 1-2k for a piece of paper.
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Chihuahua
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I am a bit confused. A chaplain is generally a person endorsed by an organization with an accredited degree, such as an MDiv that serves in a spiritual and professional capacity outside of a religious organization which includes hospitals, military, prisons, schools, and even a workplace. In a hospital they are employees and they'd introduce themselves to patients, visit on request (sometimes just to talk), maybe offer a religious service, and go over Do not Resuscitates and other end life ending requests. If a person is involved with a church and employed or even volunteers there, they are considered a minister or pastor in some capacity (Youth Pastor, Music Minister, etc)
I am also unfamiliar with saying one uses their ordination for teaching scripture/doctrines. An ordination is, to my knowledge, an endorsement by a religious organization (or some cheesy fake $25 gets.you.legally.ordained.com) It is not to my knowledge as something said is used for a specific function. People who teach have a degree which is what qualifies them in a church with ordination being reserved for positions of leadership.
I agree. This is why i believe that the Holy Spirit exists and inspires the writers. Because flawed men and women, wrote parts of the bible, as journals. Which speak to us today.
Fortunately regardless of some minor errors, saved today remains as only by faith/trust/belief in the death/burial/resurrection of Christ - Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4.
Not sure why you're so concerned with my situation, but my diploma is from NACM (National Association of Christian Ministers 20 years ago). To avoid any potential problems concerning my situation I will not be answering any more about my Chaplaincy. I cannot understand your interest in it!
There's a reason so many of us have him on MUTE, apparently you are also finding out why
Could be, thanks.There's a reason so many of us have him on MUTE, apparently you are also finding out why
Chihuahua
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Not concerned as much puzzled by your claim to be something and your use of terms. No one claims they are an "ordained chaplain". That is redundant. Real chaplains are endorsed and ordained by a faith organization (non-denominational, Lutheran, Charismatic, Catholic, etc) , employed by an organization, like the ones I mentioned, they have an MDiv or something similar, and in some cases further degrees from a real, accredited school, and go through a Clinical Pastoral Education program.
I am not concerned with your personal life, but by your claims, which do not add up. Have you heard of stolen valor? "Stolen valor involves a military impostor fabricating or exaggerating their military record. This can include falsely claiming service in a combat zone or specific unit, wearing unauthorized uniforms or medals, and fabricating stories about combat experiences or ranks. The intent is to deceive and exploit the respect associated with genuine military service." -google
People in the military tend to get really ticked off when people go around pretending to be military. Real chaplains have put in a lot of time, hard work, sacrifice, and money to get where they are. Given what you have stated, you could not be a real chaplain in hospitals, military, prisons, schools, or workplace. Yet, you give insult to all the sacrifices made by people that are real ones. You have a diploma? What is that? I had to peak at the organization for what I knew it would be get-you-ordaination-here.com. When you said you "use" your ordination to teach... I knew you were neither ordained nor a chaplain. I like that they have others from their ordination/diploma mill ready to lay hands on you in person or virtually. I got a kick out of this:
This is not a "get ordained today" type of organization. Our process usually takes seven days.
I have to hand it to you, at least you aren't like those that shell out a few thousand for a PhD from an online, unaccredited scam and refer to yourself as "Dr. Chaplain." Just to be very clear, this is not in response to your views. People sacrifice and ask their loved ones to make sacrifices and you have the audacity to claim to be something you are not. I take my faith seriously and those that have given much to earn a real title of Chaplain, regardless of affiliation, when they have a real organization approving them. If you called yourself a minister, I'd think nothing of it.
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