What makes a doctrine false?

[brightfame52]

The general understanding is that people are tortured forever by God seeking retribution

Okay, I believe that's going to be the case. I believe the bible teaches it. 2 Thess 1 9

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

2 Thess 1:8

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

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Not all have had the opportunity.
Countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge of Christ.

Hello @St.SteVens,

God has provisioned for that, as we see in Romans 2:

'Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing
seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth,
but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil,
of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good,
to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law:
and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God,
but the doers of the law shall be justified.
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law,
do by nature the things contained in the law,
these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness,
and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ
according to my gospel.'
(Rom 2:6-7)

* When God judges the secrets of men's hearts, those who have not heard the gospel will be judged according to their works:-
'Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing
seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
(Rom. 2:6-7

* I think we will be surprised when that day comes, for God will judge all men justly. The believer in the Lord Jesus Christ will not come under condemnation (Rom. 8:1), but will pass from death into life. Yet those who do pass through judgement, as Romans 2 shows will still have the hope of life. For all things will be taken into consideration. He is both the Just and the justifier. He has foreknowledge, and I believe He therefore knows how a person would have responded had they heard.

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[St. SteVen]

Yet those who do pass through judgement, as Romans 2 shows will still have the hope of life. For all things will be taken into consideration.

Good post, thanks.

The bad works (wood, hay, stubble) will burn up; but the good works will be rewarded.
And even those with no good works will be saved. (1 Corinthians 3:12-15)

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[St. SteVen]

* I think we will be surprised when that day comes, for God will judge all men justly.

I agree.

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'... ... ...ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
According to the grace of God which is given unto me,
as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation,
and another buildeth thereon.
But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid,
which is Jesus Christ.
Now if any man build upon this foundation
gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
Every man's work shall be made manifest:
for the day shall declare it,
because it shall be revealed by fire;
and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon,
he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss:
but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.'
(1Cor. 3:9b-12)

 

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Okay same thing

'And it was so,
that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job,
the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite,
"My wrath is kindled against thee,
and against thy two friends:
for ye have not spoken of Me the thing that is right,
as My servant Job hath."'
(Job 42:7)

Hello @brightfame52,

No. It is not the same thing, and it is that dismissive attitude which breeds error.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[St. SteVen]

What makes a doctrine false?

Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.

1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)

2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)

3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)

4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)

5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)

7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)

 

[Hiddenthings]

What makes a doctrine false?

Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.

1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)

2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)

3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)

4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)

5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)

7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)

Take the doctrine of universalism as an example.

Does it:

Distort who God is?
How he saves?
How his people are to live?

If it pulls people away from the One True God, then its false.

 

[quietthinker]

Take the doctrine of universalism as an example.

Does it:

Distort who God is?
How he saves?
How his people are to live?

If it pulls people away from the One True God, then its false.

I would say it pulls away people's right to choose death.
Imagine if God said to Judas, sorry fella, you can't dispose of yourself; I insist you live and will negate the consequences of your choices even when you insist on them.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I would say it pulls away people's right to choose death.
Imagine if God said to Judas, sorry fella, you can't dispose of yourself; I insist you live and will negate the consequences of your choices even when you insist on them.

For example:

Imagine someone is deceived into believing that universalism is true. Instead of taking seriously the many warnings about making their calling and election sure (2 Peter 1:10), they live however they want, assuming they will still be saved when Christ returns.

This false doctrine has deceived them and robbed them of salvation, for they do not truly know God or His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. Now, what does Jesus say about those who lead others away from the truth?


Powerful imagery!

 

[St. SteVen]

If it pulls people away from the One True God, then its false.

I question your definition of the "One True God,".
Does it:
Distort who God is? Yes. Makes Him out to be a merciless tyrant.
How he saves? Any who "refuse" the free gift will be incinerated.
How his people are to live? In fear of losing their salvation.

No, thanks.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I question your definition of the "One True God,".
Does it:
Distort who God is? Yes. Makes Him out to be a merciless tyrant.

It looks like it’s your own addenda, which is odd!

How he saves? Any who "refuse" the free gift will be incinerated.

Again, your addenda - "perish" is the word and you know its meaning but you like to play the ignorant card!

How his people are to live? In fear of losing their salvation.

Fear is important aspect of faith - if Christ feared, so should you!

No, thanks.

And it was night...

 

[Hiddenthings]

@St. SteVen @quietthinker

For by doing this (doing what?) you will never stumble into sin. 1:11 For thus an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be richly provided for you. 2 Pe 1:10–11.

What is needed to remain in this saved state?
Who does Peter define as unsaved?

If your conclusion agrees with Peter, are you the one mentioned?

 

[rvmb]

@St. SteVen @quietthinker

For by doing this (doing what?) you will never stumble into sin. 1:11 For thus an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be richly provided for you. 2 Pe 1:10–11.

What is needed to remain in this saved state?
Who does Peter define as unsaved?

If your conclusion agrees with Peter, are you the one mentioned?

Peter in Gal 2:7-9 & Acts 15:6-25 confirmed that Paul teaches the Gospel to the heathen, gentiles << You & I .
What does Paul teach this is required to be saved/justified/sealed ? Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4.
Can you list any verses where Paul teaches a saved/sealed/justified believer today can become unsaved ?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Peter in Gal 2:7-9 & Acts 15:6-25 confirmed that Paul teaches the Gospel to the heathen, gentiles << You & I .
What does Paul teach this is required to be saved/justified/sealed ? Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4.
Can you list any verses where Paul teaches a saved/sealed/justified believer today can become unsaved ?

Clearly didn't read my post

 

[rvmb]

Clearly didn't read my post

Do you accept that only Paul has the Christ given role to teach how a believer today enters eternal life ?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Peter in Gal 2:7-9 & Acts 15:6-25 confirmed that Paul teaches the Gospel to the heathen, gentiles << You & I .
What does Paul teach this is required to be saved/justified/sealed ? Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4.
Can you list any verses where Paul teaches a saved/sealed/justified believer today can become unsaved ?

Let me help you.

"‘If you do these things" these things cannot be accomplished unless epignosis, a full and experiential knowledge, has become the driving force of our spiritual life. Only a precise understanding of Christ’s sufferings and triumph, coupled with the conviction that the same power that worked so effectively in him will also work in us through the Word, can transform us into ‘doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving ourselves’ (James 1:22)."

What phrase does Peter use for those who deceive themselves in his context and for those here who believe in such false doctrines as universalism?

 

[rvmb]

Let me help you.

"‘If you do these things" these things cannot be accomplished unless epignosis, a full and experiential knowledge, has become the driving force of our spiritual life. Only a precise understanding of Christ’s sufferings and triumph, coupled with the conviction that the same power that worked so effectively in him will also work in us through the Word, can transform us into ‘doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving ourselves’ (James 1:22)."

What phrase does Peter use for those who deceive themselves in his context and for those here who believe in such false doctrines as universalism?

How do the teachings of James 1:1 to the 12 tribes apply to how the Body Of Christ today enters eternal life ?
Where was James given the role of Paul ?

 

[Hiddenthings]

How do the teachings of James 1:1 to the 12 tribes apply to how the Body Of Christ today enters eternal life ?
Where was James given the role of Paul ?

It's extremely sad when a person cannot enter the Word of God which is another form of self-deception.

 

[rvmb]

It's extremely sad when a person cannot enter the Word of God which is another form of self-deception.

It's extremely sad when a person cannot correctly divide the teachings of the Bible to the correct age & audience