The view of the "Gentleman God" who honors human will above His own.

[Nancy]

St. SteVen said:
Was it shameful to be naked at the end of Genesis chapter two?
They were naked and unashamed.

It's a common position to claim that nakedness is shameful.
Why did God ask Adam to name the one who told him he was naked?

I conclude that it was Satan that told Adam that he was naked in a shaming way.
Once again, because being naked wasn't shameful at the end of Genesis chapter two.

Genesis 2:25 NIV
Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

Genesis 3:11 NIV
And he said, “Who told you that you were naked?
Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

Nakedness was not shameful before the decision to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Your first mention of nakedness being shameful a common position. It has been this way SINCE the fall, not before and it is common because A&E disobeyed God and their eyes were open to both good and evil.

"Why did God ask Adam to name the one who told him he was naked?"

Couldn't tell you. How is that relevant to the issue?

"I conclude that it was Satan that told Adam that he was naked in a shaming way."

Well, you can conclude anything you desire to. It does not make it true...at all.

"Once again, because being naked wasn't shameful at the end of Genesis chapter two."

And, once again that was before the fall that brought about their realization of their nakedness, they were hiding because they were ashamed!

I'm sorry but, I have nothing to add.

God bless

 

[Prycejosh1987]

God is a gentleman, Satan is a bad boy. Most women do not flock to the gentleman but the bad boy thinking he will change. The gentleman is marriage material we should eternaly invest in not the bad boy.

 

[St. SteVen]

God is a gentleman, Satan is a bad boy. Most women do not flock to the gentleman but the bad boy thinking he will change. The gentleman is marriage material we should eternaly invest in not the bad boy.

I wonder if women feel safer with a brute for a mate.
In time of trouble you probably want a pit bull by your side rather than some poodle lap dog. - LOL

I remember when I was courting my wife. We were visiting her relatives and her uncle was tickling her.
She looked up at me and said, "You're supposed to be protecting me."
"Alright." I said as I stood up from the couch. Uncle got away pretty quickly.

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The view of the "Gentleman God" who honors human will above His own.

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward [a]us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9 NKJV In regards to "free-will", I have often heard the argument that God, being the gentleman...

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[St. SteVen]

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[One 2 question]

Man = Volition = limited sovereignty.
God = absolute sovereignty,

It amounted to God making Himself open to the pain of rejection of those He created to love.
Or, the pain of never ending eternal loneliness (which sounds almost like blasphemy).

Yes, and to know that when those who have had their, as you call it, limited sovereignty trumped by the absolute sovereignty of their Creator, will be sentenced to spend time or ages in the lake of fire.

But then to find out more of the Sovereign's script, that He will exercise His sovereignty and draw everyone in there to His irresistible love. Yes, they will repent and be reconciled to their Sovereign Designer and Creator.

 

[St. SteVen]

The view of the "Gentleman God" who honors human will above His own.​

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness,
but is longsuffering toward [a]us, not willing that any should perish
but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9 NKJV

In regards to "free-will", I have often heard the argument that God, being the gentleman that he is,
would never VIOLATE our "free-will" by forcing us to believe in Him.

"and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—" 2 Peter 3:15 NKJV

The Lord is patient (longsuffering) toward us. His patience (longsuffering) is salvation.

Question: Is the will of God subordinate to the will of humankind?

Interesting that those who claim that God is a gentleman, also believe that
He will incinerate those who do not receive the free gift of salvation. What is gentle about that?

To be clear, I still believe that every knee will bow and every tongue acknowledge that Christ is Lord.
But those who believe in the "Gentleman God" claim the confession is forced. What is gentle about that?

Here's my position on that.

Anyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth
and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation,
acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and
returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
(the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,”
and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about")
– properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"),
without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4

 

[Behold]

God, being the gentleman that he is,
would never VIOLATE our "free-will" by forcing us to believe in Him.

God allows us to choose where we end up in eternity.

Welcome to your : free will.........and God will HONOR your "free will" choice to believe and become His Heavenly Son/Daughter while you are still alive.
Once dead having NOT chosen Christ as your Savior then Hell begins your eternity, immediately following your death.
Your spirit will lave your dead body, Judged, Condemned and Damned.......and it will enter Hell, and there is no way back.
This is : You..

John 3:36

Therefore... Reader..
"Faith in Christ" before you die, has chosen to be with God after you die.

So, have you made your Choice?....as if you choose not to decide, you've still made a choice.....

Choose Eternity with God.... Choose eternal forgiveness...... Choose Christ by Faith.

What is Faith? ?

Its Trust.

Trust in Christ today,., the best way you know how and God will take you every time, and keep you always.

 

[St. SteVen]

God allows us to choose where we end up in eternity.

Blame the victim?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Are you claiming that Jesus didn't teach us to love our enemies?

He did, but also teaches in His Word to depart from those who do not abide in Truth (God's Word is Truth)

Sometimes loving those are are in opposition to us needs to be done from afar as we are not required to keep our enemies in our lives so they can continually be used by the devil wreak havoc in our lives.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Blame the victim?

@Behold said "God allows us to choose where we end up in eternity" and this is a correct statement according to what the Lord teaches in His Word.

So you think if someone goes to hell it's God's fault then right?

 

[Wick Stick]

I wonder if women feel safer with a brute for a mate.
In time of trouble you probably want a pit bull by your side rather than some poodle lap dog. - LOL

Certainly, this is true.

But is a gentleman necessarily a lap dog? I say no.

 

[GeneZ]

Yes, and to know that when those who have had their, as you call it, limited sovereignty trumped by the absolute sovereignty of their Creator, will be sentenced to spend time or ages in the lake of fire.

You act like God's absolute sovereignty does not want it the way we find it.
It has been God's sovereign will to have man's involvement in determining the outcome.

For God has produced a miracle when a person (or angel) refuses to believe in the Lord.
For how can a God create a life that was created "out from nothing?"
To be able to think contrary to God's will?

In doing so? God had revealed that He has created a life with a mind of it's own.
One that God did not pre-program as a very advanced form of organic robot.

They key in understanding how God can create a life that is free from God's pre-programming that life?
Is to understand what took place when God created men and angels.
For?
All things were to be created through the Son....

The key to understanding that mystery is revealed in the Incarnation.
For the Lord God of Israel, to make Himself be Jesus,
In doing so, he demonstrated that he was able to deny Himself of His powers of Deity
to make Himself function as a man. (Philippians 2:6-8)

Who, being in very nature God,​

did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;​

rather, he made himself nothing​

by taking the very nature of a servant,​

being made in human likeness.​

And being found in appearance as a man,​

he humbled himself​

by becoming obedient to death—​

even death on a cross!​

In also making Himself to function as a man? (having no omniscience) -
The Son at creation was able to create in his thinking all men to be created.
Create them all to be designed to love the Father as much as He loves God.

Yet, because of the Son voluntarily was not functioning in omniscience?
He was able to create each soul without knowing the outcome of their choice!

FREEDOM.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The view of the "Gentleman God" who honors human will above His own.​

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness,
but is longsuffering toward [a]us, not willing that any should perish
but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9 NKJV

In regards to "free-will", I have often heard the argument that God, being the gentleman that he is,
would never VIOLATE our "free-will" by forcing us to believe in Him.

"and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—" 2 Peter 3:15 NKJV

The Lord is patient (longsuffering) toward us. His patience (longsuffering) is salvation.

Question: Is the will of God subordinate to the will of humankind?

Interesting that those who claim that God is a gentleman, also believe that
He will incinerate those who do not receive the free gift of salvation. What is gentle about that?

To be clear, I still believe that every knee will bow and every tongue acknowledge that Christ is Lord.
But those who believe in the "Gentleman God" claim the confession is forced. What is gentle about that?

Here's my position on that.

Anyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth
and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation,
acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and
returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
(the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,”
and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about")
– properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"),
without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4

I appreciate your probing statements. god is a gentle man. but He is also God and the Supreme sovereign of the universe.

He is a benevolent dictator. His will is supreme and He will not subordinate His will to any other. We are to bend our wills to His or suffer the consequences.

Your response is correct. salvation is not merely saying a prayer and banking a fire inusrance policy! Acknowledging Jesus as Lord is a declaration that we yield to His sovereingty in our livesd and trust and seek to serve HIm.