Reason for The Crusades explained

[Chihuahua]

Every test and procedure puts money in someone’s pocket...in America that is more true than most people imagine.

Is that what you are told? The only issue is that the parasitic nations that feast of the US medical industry say we need to pay for the cost of research or they will import drugs that are produced through intellectual theft.

The researchers have been excited by a new breakthrough that slows down the progression of the disease process, but it seem to have disappeared like a lot of other promising treatments.....perhaps there is not enough money in it. You know what “orphan drugs” are?

The only crooks are those of your nation and others that threaten to import drugs from nations they steal our research.

A good case in point....did you ever see the old 1936 movie “Reefer Madness”? It was a propaganda film designed to make people think that cannabis was an addictive drug that caused people to go crazy.
But because it is now revealed that it has amazing medicinal properties, big pharma has changed its tune and is manufacturing the drug in laboratories and charging $200 for a small bottle on prescription.
But if you can get seeds, you can grow it in your garden and make your own medicine for free....can’t have that now, can we? You’ll get arrested for that. Look how long it took to get the truth out there...?

You can grow natural remedies. In many states you can grow marijuana and no one cares as long as it is not beyond your personal needs. Insofar as other things like cocaine and opium, no. No one is going after folks over garlic.

What happened to that awful addictive drug that made people behave immorally?

Alcohol?

Why did they demonise it when they knew that it’s medicinal properties were well known and used as medicine for thousands of years all over the world? You can’t patent a plant....so they made sure that they had government backing so no one could get hold of it legally, and if they were caught they were arrested and thrown in jail.

Nope. There are two main, real reasons. When alcohol was legalized Federally in 1933 it meant people were out of the job, so we need a new bad guy. This was during the depression. Mexicans were still coming to the US and they liked marijuana. In 1937 you got two power reasons. Also, it was popular among blacks and other less liked people.

Actually cannabis is excellent for IBS as well.....never heard of yoghurt as a cure for that.....

I am suspicious of any attempt to bury legitimate information or to gag doctors.

Information is not being suppressed. There is an issue of false advertisement and professionals misleading patients. A doctor cannot tell a patient they do not need chemo and can eat two cloves of garlic and one cup of ginseng tea per day with weekly reiki treatments. A doctor can inform the patient of medically sound advice and say there are natural methods if you are interested as long as the patient is informed of trials and the science behind it.

You can go to a doctor with IBS and have them offer drugs and you say... is there anything else I can try... yes, yogurt has had remarkable affects based on this that and the other. It is worth a try if you want to avoid pills.

As for the whole non-stick pan thing...perhaps you need to research that a bit too....?
Turns out that the right fats are actually good for you and most seed oils are highly processed poison!


Exposing the truth isn’t giving advice. It’s telling it like it is.....that’s not advice that’s facts....things people can evaluate for themselves if they haven’t got closed minds....you can look up all sorts of information these days....there is plenty to know....

You think the Crusaders were not patriots? Really? Were they just in it for the thrill of the slaughter whilst they were ignoring everything Christ taught about loving their enemies and being peacemakers?

You are just distracting now....are you bored...?

Patriotism was not really part of the motivation for the Crusaders. There really was not a sense of that. Nationalism came about centuries later. For some, it was about adventure. Even in the American Civil War, some had never left their county. Many did it for religious reasons. The Muhammadans were taking Christian lands and attacking Christian pilgrims.

 

[Wrangler]

If previous generations of Christians thought as you do, Christianity would be a relic on the ash heap of history. This is why my fervent prayer is:
2 Samuel 22:35 (REV)
He trains my hands for war.

As I said, there is only peace - and freedom - through military strength. Notice the responsibility we have: ask and it will be given, knock and it will be opened, seek and you shall find. Matthew 7:7-8. And If you don't work, you don't eat. 2 Thessalonians 3:10 The over-spiritualized preach we're supposed to sit around and wait for divine intervention. That's anti-biblical.

I refuse to compromise my faith to preserve the devil’s world system in any way that will violate Christian principles

You are embracing the devil's anti-biblical passivity via over-spiritualization. Turning over tables, whipping at people and having a sword are Christian principles in using force to right what is wrong in this world.

I noticed you did not reply to post #234, that God's most important quality is being the almighty warrior. Without that quality, no other quality matters. We are made in his image and he trains our hands for war. As the great senator from Louisiana, John Kennedy said, "Yes, I believe love is the answer but want to have a gun, just in case."


Trust in God and keep your powder dry
Oliver Cromwell

 

[Wrangler]

Are you listening to yourself Wrangler? Was it necessary for the Christ to suffer?

12 paragraphs of rationalizing and diverting attention doesn't take away from the bottom line, which is that if it were not for the Crusades and other military actions (Battle or Tours 732, Malta 1283, Reconquista 1492, Great Siege of Malta 1565, WWI) we'd be Muslims now and if caught practicing Christianity, we'd be put to death.

 

[Wrangler]

Could faithfully following the Messiah and living according to his teaching get an obedient disciple killed?

Oh yes.

Similarly, could faithfully following the Messiah and living according to his teaching keep an obedient disciple alive?

Oh yes.

The man who is armed and prepared to kill - even teaching that you must be so too in order to be a disciple of Jesus - is most assuredly not harmless as a dove.

Context. Don't you over-spiritualized know Ecclesiastes 3:8
A time to love and a time to hate. A time for war and a time for peace.

I am peaceful, not harmless. That's why Christ wanted us to have a sword.

 

[Wrangler]

I refuse to compromise my faith to preserve the devil’s world system in any way that will violate Christian principles

It's not Christian principles you live by but a pacifist, over-spiritualized world view that is anti-Biblical. You don't have a sword, act in the image of God as a warrior, acknowledge that God trains your hands for war or acknowledge Christian nations is the natural consequence of the Great Commission - make disciples of all what? Individuals having nothing to do with government? No. To all nations.

Your imbalance is shown in ignoring these verses to only put up verses that support over-spiritualization. Love, yes. But there is also a time for hate and a time for war. Therefore, the Crusades.

 

[Matthias]

Similarly, could faithfully following the Messiah and living according to his teaching keep an obedient disciple alive?

Oh yes.

Of course. The point is that the disciples of the Messiah - who himself didn’t resist his enemies and was slain - must be prepared to follow his example. The apostles did. The early Christians did. I am, and I teach others to do the same.

Context. Don't you over-spiritualized know Ecclesiastes 3:8
A time to love and a time to hate. A time for war and a time for peace.

I am peaceful, not harmless.

Following the example set by the Messiah, the apostles, and the early Christians isn’t being over-spiritual. You have the heart, mind, and spirit of the world. You‘re armed with the weapons of the world - despite Paul expressly stating that the disciples of the Messiah don’t use the weapons of the world - and you‘re fully prepared to use them.

You even went so far as to say “you are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” (post #107). You’ve established a worldly criteria for following Jesus.

Let’s read Paul again. “The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world.”

The Messiah’s disciples wage war with spiritual weapons, not with the weapons of the world. Not only do you possess and would you use the weapons of the world against your enemies, you’ve audaciously made it a requirement to do so in order to be a follower of Jesus.

That's why Christ wanted us to have a sword.

I stated why the Messiah told them - not every disciple through the thousands of years that have since passed - to buy swords (which are weapons of the world), and why only two swords for the entire group was enough to fulfill the messianic prophecy. Jesus didn’t command Peter to use the sword, nor did he commend Peter for using the sword; he rebuked him for using the sword. The only other sword in their possession wasn’t used.

The Messiah’s teaching: “Put away your sword; those who use the sword will die by the sword” is incompatible with your teaching: “You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed with the sword [which is a weapon of the world], prepared to kill.”

Jesus disarmed his disciples; he took the sword out of their hands. You arm the disciples, putting the sword back in their hands. You aren’t following Jesus. You’re following the world.

 

[Chihuahua]

Would you like a ticket to what is called Somali?

 

[Matthias]

Would you like a ticket to what is called Somali?

Would you obey Jesus and put away your weapons of the world?

 

[Matthias]

A few days ago I asked how many people the apostles killed with the sword and I received an answer to my question. The correct answer is zero.

 

[Matthias]

Does anyone wonder why clergy / chaplains are noncombatants in war?

You who want the followers of Jesus to kill their enemies, what is your understanding of “the priesthood of all believers”?

 

[Chihuahua]

Would you obey Jesus and put away your weapons of the world?

Jesus did not command us to be devoid of weapons. Peter, sword, remember? I do not have any, because there are brave people that defend me.

 

[Matthias]

“By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, …” -> you are armed with the weapons of the world and ready to kill?

 

[Matthias]

Jesus did not command us to be devoid of weapons. Peter, sword, remember?

Jesus rebuked Peter and told him to put away the sword. Remember?

Paul said the disciples of Jesus are armed with spiritual weapons, not the weapons of the world. Remember?

I do not have any, because there are brave people that defend me.

Now we’re getting somewhere. The state, not the disciple of Jesus, has been given the authority to use the sword.

 

[Chihuahua]

A few days ago I asked how many people the apostles killed with the sword and I received an answer to my question. The correct answer is zero.

The correct answer would be how many people were killed in incidents recorded? That is a fallacy of a question on several levels. Did Jesus poop? He was God, so did God poop? If Jesus pooped, you have no biblical evidence. Did Jesus need to poop? He is God, so did God need to poop? Did Jesus just poop and pee all over the planet?

Jesus never condemned defense of yourself. Angels did not descend from the Heavens to save all the horrible things done by humans. God showed Himself in those that liberated the camps, the slaves, etc.

 

[Chihuahua]

Jesus rebuked Peter and told him to put away the sword. Remember?

Peter, like Judas, wanted things his way. Did Jesus tell him to drop the sword or put it away?

Paul said the disciples of Jesus are armed with spiritual weapons, not the weapons of the world. Remember?

If you want to be a martyr, go for it. Go into Somali and stop hiding behind mommy's skirt. If you had any conviction in your nonsense, you'd put yourself in danger for the Lord. But, you feel good condemning others, hiding.

Now we’re getting somewhere. The state, not the disciple of Jesus, has been given the authority to use the sword.

An individual is not to take justice into their own hands.

 

[Chihuahua]

“By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, …” -> you are armed with the weapons of the world and ready to kill?

Well, take the martyr train down to martyr town.

 

[Matthias]

The correct answer would be how many people were killed in incidents recorded?

The answer is zero. Remember, the argument that has been set before us: “you are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.”

If we accept that argument then you, who have just told me that you are not armed, are not a follower of Jesus.

Now you want to argue from silence that the apostles - who were without question followers of Jesus - killed, or may have killed, an unknown number of people?

That is a fallacy of a question on several levels. Did Jesus poop? He was God, so did God poop? If Jesus pooped, you have no biblical evidence. Did Jesus need to poop? He is God, so did God need to poop? Did Jesus just poop and pee all over the planet?

Jesus never condemned defense of yourself. Angels did not descend from the Heavens to save all the horrible things done by humans. God showed Himself in those that liberated the camps, the slaves, etc.

How did Jesus and the apostles defend themselves?

 

[Chihuahua]

The answer is zero. Remember, the argument that has been set before us: “you are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.”

My position is clear - if you want to hide behind mommy and suck your thumb, that is fine. The apostles were called to martyrdom with the exception of John of Patmos.

If we accept that argument then you, who have just told me that you are not armed, are not a follower of Jesus.

That is called a strawman. You made up something I did not claim. I never claimed a follower of Jesus is compelled to having weapons. I clearly stated I have no weapons.

Now you want to argue from silence that the apostles - who were without question followers of Jesus - killed, or may have killed, an unknown number of people?

Your logic train doesn't really go far, does it? Scripture that is available to us does not deny or confirm they killed anyone. Did Jesus smell His farts? I have no idea! Maybe he wanted to see if He had health issues, or just liked the smell of His own brand.

How did Jesus and the apostles defend themselves?

They generally traveled throughout the Roman Empire.
Are you not going to Somalia? Do you no want to witness?

 

[Matthias]

Peter, like Judas, wanted things his way.

Listen again to the argument: “you are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.”

Peter was armed and wanted to kill. Now listen to yourself, “Peter, like Judas, wanted things his way.“

You’re right. The argument urged upon us is wrong.

Did Jesus tell him to drop the sword or put it away?

Put it away. A weapon of the world that is put away is a weapon of the world that is not used.

If you want to be a martyr, go for it.

There is a difference between willing to be a martyr, and wanting to be a martyr. Many of the early Christians desired earnestly to be martyred. Some of them were, not all of them were.

All of the apostles, with the exception of John, were martyred.

Go into Somali and stop hiding behind mommy's skirt.

Grow up.

If you had any conviction in your nonsense …

Don’t be a hypocrite. Go and buy a weapon of the world.

… you'd put yourself in danger for the Lord.

I have.

But, you feel good condemning others hiding.

You’re speaking about something based on a false assumption.

An individual is not to take justice into their own hands.

That’s right.

 

[Matthias]

My position is clear - if you want to hide behind mommy and suck your thumb, that is fine. The apostles were called to martyrdom with the exception of John of Patmos.

Your position is hypocritical. At least the man who is arguing that the disciples of Jesus must be armed and prepared to kill is doing what he is teaching others to do.

That is called a strawman. You made up something I did not claim. I never claimed a follower of Jesus is compelled to having weapons. I clearly stated I have no weapons.

You didn’t make the claim that a follower of Jesus is compelled to have weapons. @Wrangler did. I’m writing against him.

Your logic train doesn't really go far, does it? Scripture that is available to us does not deny or confirm they killed anyone. Did Jesus smell His farts? I have no idea! Maybe he wanted to see if He had health issues, or just liked the smell of His own brand.

You’re a nasty character.

They generally traveled throughout the Roman Empire.

Yes.

Are you not going to Somalia? Do you no want to witness?

Among other things, I’m a retired pastor. I’ve been to Malawi, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, and Kenya. I’ve witnessed in all of them, and did so without being armed with the weapons of the world. I have no plans to return to the African continent at this time.