Reason for The Crusades explained

[GodsGrace]

A lot of British are going back to church due to the Islamification of the UK. Hopefully this will lead to a true saving faith in Christ.

There is a big Christmas carol celebration planned for December 13th in Central London.

Brief video.

I've heard of this.
There was a rally of Christians just recently.
It was called, maybe, England is Christian.
Not too many present.
Robinson is more effective....but everything helps.
My belief is that it will have to be up to the second generation to integrate. They're so steep into their religion that it seems difficult.

There's also a lot of work being done in the conversion side. I think I can assume you know David wood, Jay Ross, godlogic, etc.

There's always hope.
The US seems to be in a good position.
But if the Dems win again??

 

[Chihuahua]

No advice at all....being neutral mean you don’t offer advice that involves the world and it’s politics

....being neutral mean you don’t offer advice that involves the world and it’s politics.
....being neutral mean you don’t offer advice that involves the world and it’s politics.
....being neutral mean you don’t offer advice that involves the world and it’s politics.
....being neutral mean you don’t offer advice that involves the world and it’s politics.
....being neutral mean you don’t offer advice that involves the world and it’s politics.
....being neutral mean you don’t offer advice that involves the world and it’s politics.
....being neutral mean you don’t offer advice that involves the world and it’s politics.
....being neutral mean you don’t offer advice that involves the world and it’s politics.
....being neutral mean you don’t offer advice that involves the world and it’s politics.
....being neutral mean you don’t offer advice that involves the world and it’s politics.

huh. So you shouldn't say anything about Just War, or pharmaceuticals.
You used the word patriot several times. In a topic about the Crusades.

huh

"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth"

 

[Aunty Jane]

BTW- I have a genetic condition that has an increased risk of cancer. I tested myself for... everything in a very big lab. It runs rampant in my family. Spoke with my doctor about it and he recommended screening for it on a regular basis. Why not tell me to wait until it become noticeable at stage 3? Seems more profitable.

Every test and procedure puts money in someone’s pocket...in America that is more true than most people imagine.
I too have a genetic disorder in my family and lost my husband 11 years ago to a neurological monster...I am watching my 55 year old son succumb to the same disease.....Huntington’s Disease. A slow and awful death where they lose control of their limbs, their speech and their their ability to swallow.....

The researchers have been excited by a new breakthrough that slows down the progression of the disease process, but it seem to have disappeared like a lot of other promising treatments.....perhaps there is not enough money in it. You know what “orphan drugs” are?

There are real natural cures or treatments for various conditions and studies are done on them. Some are very legitimate and measurable. Studies were done here in the US about marijuana which has improved many lives and many states legalize its usage medicinally and some just outright legalized it.

A good case in point....did you ever see the old 1936 movie “Reefer Madness”? It was a propaganda film designed to make people think that cannabis was an addictive drug that caused people to go crazy.
But because it is now revealed that it has amazing medicinal properties, big pharma has changed its tune and is manufacturing the drug in laboratories and charging $200 for a small bottle on prescription.
But if you can get seeds, you can grow it in your garden and make your own medicine for free....can’t have that now, can we? You’ll get arrested for that. Look how long it took to get the truth out there...?

What happened to that awful addictive drug that made people behave immorally? It didn’t exist. Cannabis is not addictive but can have a similar effect to alcohol...and yet there is no ban on that. It causes more harm than cannabis ever could. Do you know where the name marijuana came from? Google it.

Why did they demonise it when they knew that it’s medicinal properties were well known and used as medicine for thousands of years all over the world? You can’t patent a plant....so they made sure that they had government backing so no one could get hold of it legally, and if they were caught they were arrested and thrown in jail.

Yogurt can be a miracle for people with IBS-C or IBS-D. The evil yogurt industry does require regular consumption :)

Actually cannabis is excellent for IBS as well.....never heard of yoghurt as a cure for that.....

Natural cures exist and science can do its thing to determine if something is quackery or effective. It is the same with products like "non-stick pan needs no fat or oil" enter science to prove too good to be true. We have commercials in the US, for something like a toothbrush that says "FDA cleared" meaning, it won't kill you, as opposed to FDA approved meaning it has value.

I am suspicious of any attempt to bury legitimate information or to gag doctors.
As for the whole non-stick pan thing...perhaps you need to research that a bit too....?
Turns out that the right fats are actually good for you and most seed oils are highly processed poison!

being neutral mean you don’t offer advice that involves the world and it’s politics.

huh. So you shouldn't say anything about Just War, or pharmaceuticals.

Exposing the truth isn’t giving advice. It’s telling it like it is.....that’s not advice that’s facts....things people can evaluate for themselves if they haven’t got closed minds....you can look up all sorts of information these days....there is plenty to know....

You used the word patriot several times. In a topic about the Crusades.

You think the Crusaders were not patriots? Really? Were they just in it for the thrill of the slaughter whilst they were ignoring everything Christ taught about loving their enemies and being peacemakers?

You are just distracting now....are you bored...?

 

[GodsGrace]

Wow.
@Aunty Jane found someone she could REALLY talk to!
@Chihuahua

Have fun!!

 

[Wrangler]

You seem to like the “God of war”

My God would not be God if here were not the God of war (no quotes). Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a warrior;
the LORD is his name.

And we were made in the image of God, a warrior. That gives us sanction enough.

And I am impressed that the first thing Jesus will do in his 2nd coming is militarily conquer. It can be no other way.

 

[Debp]

I've heard of this.
There was a rally of Christians just recently.
It was called, maybe, England is Christian.
Not too many present.
Robinson is more effective....but everything helps.
My belief is that it will have to be up to the second generation to integrate. They're so steep into their religion that it seems difficult.

There's also a lot of work being done in the conversion side. I think I can assume you know David wood, Jay Ross, godlogic, etc.

There's always hope.
The US seems to be in a good position.
But if the Dems win again??

Tommy Robinson had a rally in the Spring and I understand they had a million people show up... Christians and some just patriots.

Yes I know of David Wood, Godlogic, Sam Shamounian and Apostate Prophet. I think Jay has a different last name... can't recall it right now.

I read some comments alongside the videos. About the Christmas carol service, a Jewish person said they are going to attend. Maybe some seeds will be planted?

 

[GodsGrace]

Tommy Robinson had a rally in the Spring and I understand they had a million people show up... Christians and some just patriots.

Yes I know of David Wood, Godlogic, Sam Shamounian and Apostate Prophet. I think Jay has a different last name... can't recall it right now.

I read some comments alongside the videos. About the Christmas carol service, a Jewish person said they are going to attend. Maybe some seeds will be planted?

Yeah. Might be wrong on Jay's last name, but you know who I mean.
The're all doing a good job - waking up Muslims to what they're being taught.

As to seeds being planted...
absolutely.


I just would hope that it's fast becasue time is running out.

(hate to be negative, but I live here and I can feel what's happening better than those in the US that just read about it).
(not that they don't understand).

 

[Aunty Jane]

My God would not be God if here were not the God of war (no quotes). Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a warrior;
the LORD is his name.

Your first sentence there is a worry....what is your obsession with war, if you are a disciple of the Prince of Peace? Where does that come from?

Isaiah’s prophesy about our day shows that all who come to Christ in these last days will have put down their weapons, turning them into gardening implements....(Isa 2:2-4) so you better like gardening or you won’t have a place in God’s new world. No one will have weapons or go to war because wars will cease. Every basis for war will be eliminated.

For Israel, Jehovah was a warrior...as your Scripture in Exodus reveals....but I explained why. It was the time and the reason that made it appropriate back then. But when on earth, was Jesus ever involved in military activity? Did his people Israel even have a military force at that time?

Did Christians serve in the military under Roman domination? Hardly...they would have been fighting for their enemy......despised like the tax collectors who worked collecting tax money for the Romans, and adding their commission. So in the early years, were Christians involved in military service? The answer is NO! And his apostle Paul made it clear that they were not to “avenge” themselves by “returning evil for evil”. Vengeance would be meted out by God so that Christ’s disciples would not have blood on their hands. (Rom 12:17-21)
In the later Bible accounts we see Jesus is also depicted as a warrior, but not in the flesh....he returns with his angelic army to deliver justice to all disobedient ones....”those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about the Christ.”

We know that the later Christians basically ignored Christ’s teachings on bloodshed and violence and participated in some very bloody conflicts......yet Jesus never once advocated for his earthly disciples to participate in war or bloodshed of any kind.

And we were made in the image of God, a warrior. That gives us sanction enough.

Oh dear...I don’t think anyone would make that application....made in God’s image means reflecting his qualities...love, justice, wisdom and power.
Jesus said “blessed are the peacemakers” not “the war mongers”.

And I am impressed that the first thing Jesus will do in his 2nd coming is militarily conquer. It can be no other way.

Who is he conquering with his angelic forces at that juncture? Disobedient humans who like to rewrite Scripture and “under spiritualize” everything so as to make God into their own image.....good luck with that....

True Christians have already turned their weapons into gardening implements. They refuse to learn war anymore....Jesus does the fighting for us.

 

[Matthias]

Could faithfully following the Messiah and living according to his teaching get an obedient disciple killed?

Oh yes.

 

[Matthias]

“Yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers service to God.”

(John 16:2, WEB)

Don’t believe it? You better wake up. They‘re among us; even in this thread. They‘re armed, prepared to kill, and think they’re offering service to God.

 

[Matthias]

“Behold, I send you out as sheep among wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.”

(Matthew 10:16, WEB)

The man who is armed and prepared to kill - even teaching that you must be so too in order to be a disciple of Jesus - is most assuredly not harmless as a dove.

 

[Matthias]

There is a thread in one of the “Christians Only” forums titled “Make Sure You’re Following the Real Jesus”. Make sure, indeed.

The real Jesus is not teaching his disciples to kill their enemies. The real Jesus is teaching his disciples to love their enemies, to do no harm to them, even if and when their enemies do harm to them.

 

[Wrangler]

Your first sentence there is a worry....what is your obsession with war

I’m OK with you being worried. I live a purpose driven life and have my priorities. I put the right to life - and defending that life and cultural liberty and honorable lifestyle - at the very top. The very top!

I’m sure the over-spiritualized will reply with a language I don’t speak, like proselytizing on their spiritual priorities. At John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. Following him is aligned with my top priority.

He also said to buy a sword. This too aligns with my top priority.

His top priority upon his return, is to eliminate enemies with extreme prejudice. This too aligns with my top priority.

His God, YHWH, is a warrior and we are made in his image, given dominion over the Earth. This too aligns with my top priority for in this world, there is only peace through strength, military strength.

It is only when the civilized retain the capacity and willingness to militarily defeat the barbarian does civilization live, endure, survive, is sustained.

Being a passivist, you probably put no value in cultural liberty and noble lifestyle, what I value MORE than life itself. As an American, we value our life less than our liberty and honor.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

 

[Wrangler]

made in God’s image means reflecting his qualities...

His most important quality is being almighty warrior. Without that quality, no other quality matters.

I was reading revelation where it said there is an angel guarding every gate of God’s temple and they will not allow evil in. The only reason to guard is because there remains a threat to guard against.

 

[Wrangler]

No one will have weapons or go to war because wars will cease. Every basis for war will be eliminated.

This is how you know you are over spiritualized. I’m dealing with the reality today not the prophecy of last days.

 

[Wrangler]

For Israel, Jehovah was a warrior...as your Scripture in Exodus reveals....but I explained why

Existence requires no explanation. YHWH is a warrior - regardless of why. So am I. So are humans, generally.

 

[Wrangler]

True Christians have already turned their weapons into gardening implements.

Untrue. See present company.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I’m OK with you being worried. I live a purpose driven life and have my priorities. I put the right to life - and defending that life and cultural liberty and honorable lifestyle - at the very top. The very top!

Jesus didn’t....and neither did all the martyrs who died victorious because they refused to disobey the Christ.
Peter’s words explain what our responsibility is, and how we should view it...it is the complete opposite to how you view things.....

1 Pet 4:12-19....ESV...
“Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And “If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” Therefore let those who suffer according to God's will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.”

Was Peter “over spiritualized”? Did he reflect Christ’s teachings or man’s?

What is the “test” of our “Christianity” Wrangler? To give into slaughter as a first response to attack? Or was the real test to maintain our peace and refuse to give in to emotions as a reaction to what Satan’s world brings upon Christ’s disciples? How is it a victory if we respond in kind? We have descended to their level and God has disappeared behind the weapons in our hands.

You misquote Scripture to justify what Christ told us not to do.
The “swords” that Jesus told his disciples to buy, were to illustrate a very important principle....that though they were armed, they would refuse to resort to violence. Peter was very impulsive by nature and so allowed his emotions to kick in before Jesus had a chance to explain....which he did once he had healed the ear of the man he attacked. Jesus reprimanded Peter and told his to “return your sword to its place”.....”those who take up the sword will perish by the sword”. Replace the word “sword” with any weapon....it’s still true.

In telling his disciple to buy swords and that “two” was “enough”....was Jesus actually expecting two swords to combat an armed mob? It would have opened up the way to wholesale slaughter. Think things through, because it is apparent that you see everything on a surface level. Christianity is not superficial...it requires a depth of character that is reflected in Jesus and in the apostles after his death. One that required actions that did not involve retaliation. (Rom 12:17-21)

In the Roman arenas, Christians were offered a way out of being eaten by starved lions....all they had to do was put a pinch of incense on the alter as an act of worship to the Emperor and they could walk free. They were in that arena with their children as an extra incentive to compromise......but they refused......why?

What kind of courage are we talking about here? The kind that trigger happy war mongers will never understand.

I’m sure the over-spiritualized will reply with a language I don’t speak, like proselytizing on their spiritual priorities. At John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. Following him is aligned with my top priority.

He also said to buy a sword. This too aligns with my top priority.

His top priority upon his return, is to eliminate enemies with extreme prejudice. This too aligns with my top priority.

His God, YHWH, is a warrior and we are made in his image, given dominion over the Earth. This too aligns with my top priority for in this world, there is only peace through strength, military strength.

It is only when the civilized retain the capacity and willingness to militarily defeat the barbarian does civilization live, endure, survive, is sustained.

You see that this response is from a man of flesh, not spirit. You have to fight for God when he never asked you to.....neither did his son. If the god you worship needs you to fight his battles, he’s not much of a god.

Being a passivist, you probably put no value in cultural liberty and noble lifestyle, what I value MORE than life itself. As an American, we value our life less than our liberty and honor.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

You know, I shake my head at statement like this.....you live in a nation (as I do) that values freedom, but in the big picture when have any of us lived in actual freedom? We have been slaves to satan’s world all our lives ...the “freedom” he has given to many is an illusion.....we slave for our masters and we have been conditioned to do as we are told. The masters get the reward and we get to work our guts out to please them and keep our jobs....and maybe we will get a bonus that will cover the cost of Christmas if we are lucky....

I refuse to compromise my faith to preserve the devil’s world system in any way that will violate Christian principles......we are to live “in the world” as Jesus did, but we are to be “no part” of its governance or lifestyle. We are to work for a living...not to finance a lifestyle. Our efforts and rewards are spiritual not material....these are the “treasures in heaven” where our spiritual bank is located. Where are your deposits going?

If our priorities are right, we won’t be slaving for the wrong masters.....and with the wrong remuneration.

 

[Wrangler]

Therefore let those who suffer according to God's will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.”

Was Peter “over spiritualized”?

No, you are over spiritualized. Imagine the possibility that it is NOT God’s will for those to suffer.

 

[Aunty Jane]

No, you are over spiritualized. Imagine the possibility that it is NOT God’s will for those to suffer.

Are you listening to yourself Wrangler? Was it necessary for the Christ to suffer? Was it necessary for the martyrs to be torn apart by hungry lions with their children? Did God require that his servants suffer? What kind of God would do that?

Who was it that made sure that God’s servants would suffer? Some grievously? Not God!

Yahweh assures his servants that their suffering would not be in vain.....that if they could stand firm against the one bringing the suffering, without retaliation...that would be a victory...a genuine one, involving no bloodshed on their part, though they themselves might lose their lives....a life easily restored in the resurrection to come...therefore we have no fear of death or of God’s enemies and what they are permitted to do. God will deal with them in his due time, and then reward the courage of those who refused to compromise on Christ’s teachings.

If you reduce yourself down to the level of your enemies then you are judged to be just like them. You “return evil for evil”. What superiority do you have if you defeat the enemy for five minutes, with much loss of innocent life, only to have him come back with a different uniform? Do you not see the futility of war? Yet it feeds something in you. Why?

God does not sanction war in the Christian Era.....man’s wars are nothing to do with him.....he is allowing the devil a relatively free hand as we saw with Job.....because it shows up his motives and ours. How much do we trust God compared to how much we trust in our nation’s weapons?

You seem to have answered that question.....sadly.