Do you believe this statement: "Jesus is YHWH", Yes or No?

[Matthias]

I’m not a fan of AI but when I typed “Is the Shema a trinitarian Creed?” in a search engine, an AI overview came back with the following response -

“No, the Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4 : ‘Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one’) is fundamentally a declaration of radical Jewish monotheism, affirming the absolute oneness and uniqueness of God, which traditionally contrasts with the Christian concept of God existing as three distinct persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). …”

Everyone should know that Jewish monotheism isn’t trinitarian and that Jesus himself is a Jewish monotheist, not a trinitarian. His God is only one person - that’s a unitarian, not a trinitarian.

 

[dak]

I have the classic Trinity position

No, I have separated each into a distinct identity and, as the Shema, stated that they are one.

Sorry but neither statement is true.

1) YHWH is the Father and Trinitarianism does not teach that "Jesus is the Father", in fact, the exact opposite, and it is written on the Trinity Shield.
2) The Shema absolutely does not say "they are one".
3) The name of the Father absolutely is the Tetragrammaton, according to HE HIMSELF, (Exodus 6:3, "And I appeared to Abraham, to Yitzhak, and to Yaakob as El Shaddai: but by My name, YHWH, I was not known to them").

 

[dak]

JESUS stated 'matter-of-FACT' all of mankind is in GRAVE DANGER of the Second Death

Today as we approach the Second Coming of CHRIST, the Holy Spirit is shouting LOUD from the Scriptures to us

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

Again very little sleep last night

i will return in a little while - Thank You

Perhaps you are approaching the second coming but that isn't relevant to this thread.

 

[rockytopva]

Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God. - Luke 22:69

I pray to the Father in the name of Jesus to be filled with the Holy Ghost. And use no other name tags.

 

[marks]

Thank you for voting.

We now have 11 YES votes, and another 3 who confirmed a YES vote in postings within the thread but did not actually cast a vote, all of which also claim to be Christians, for a total of 14 YES votes.

We also have 7 NO votes but three are "other faith", (including myself), which do not count for the purposes of this poll, and also one Christadelphian claiming to be a Christian, and either one or maybe two JW's claiming to be Christians, who also do not count for the purposes of this poll because none of those groups would have been included as evangelicals in the Arizona Poll either. In other words we only appear to have one vote, or maybe two, who claim to be Christians and voted NO in this poll, (so far). That means that out of 15 votes cast by people claiming to be Christians, only one appears to be an actual Trinitarian.

That is a ratio of 14 to 1, (maybe 13 to 2), which is worse than the percentages in the Arizona Poll which was posted earlier in this thread.

That's why I don't vote in polls like this, they tend to skew.

Because I believe Jesus and YHWH are one and the same, you would say I'm not trinitarian? That would be incorrect.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Perhaps you are approaching the second coming but that isn't relevant to this thread.

Every TRUTH is Relevant and ESPECIALLY to this Topic

Every TRUTH is connected to ONE TRUTH

Here is the ONE TRUTH = Revelation chapter 5

You missed the ONE TRUTH with the whole of Scripture Speaks of CHRIST

The TRUTH of GOD is CHRIST

CHRIST/the LAMB, is Standing in the CENTER of the THRONE of His FATHER

No one is permitted there but the FATHER, the LAMB/CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT

If even Michael the Arch-Angel were to even attempt to enter the THRONE, he would be cast out FOREVER, never to return​

 

[David in NJ]

Perhaps you are approaching the second coming but that isn't relevant to this thread.

WE are approaching His Second Coming = No one escapes the TRUTH for the DAY will Declare it

 

[dak]

That's why I don't vote in polls like this, they tend to skew.

Because I believe Jesus and YHWH are one and the same, you would say I'm not trinitarian? That would be incorrect.

Much love!

That's you skewing the facts: it isn't me saying it, it's Trinitarianism.
And the fact that YHWH is the Father is already proven by His Word, not me.

 

[dak]

Every TRUTH is Relevant and ESPECIALLY to this Topic

Every TRUTH is connected to ONE TRUTH

Here is the ONE TRUTH = Revelation chapter 5

You missed the ONE TRUTH with the whole of Scripture Speaks of CHRIST

The TRUTH of GOD is CHRIST

CHRIST/the LAMB, is Standing in the CENTER of the THRONE of His FATHER

No one is permitted there but the FATHER, the LAMB/CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT

If even Michael the Arch-Angel were to even attempt to enter the THRONE, he would be cast out FOREVER, never to return​

I say you have no clue what you are rambling about.

 

[dak]

WE are approaching His Second Coming = No one escapes the TRUTH for the DAY will Declare it

Nope, the Gospel is to each in his or her own appointed times, the times appointed of the Father, which no one knows except for the Father, the day when a child becomes an adult, a tried, true, fully tested son of the Father. No intelligent father puts his own untested babe or child in charge of all his goods.

Understand? Your time will not be your brother's time, nor your sister's time, nor your neighbor's time, nor was it my time: each one in his or her own appointed times appointed of the Father.

Walking according to the eyes and mind of the flesh, seeing all things as outward and physical concerning Biblical Prophecy, has landed you where you are. The Gospel is private, individual, and to each in his or her own appointed times. You are watching according to the world, and the news of the world, and the Master is not going to be revealing himself to the outside world who hates him.

John 14:15-23 KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

And here is what you yourself missed:

Revelation 19:10 YLT
10 and I fell before his feet, to bow before him, and he saith to me, 'See--not! fellow servant of thee am I, and of thy brethren, those having the testimony of Jesus; bow before God, for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of the prophecy.'

Understand? the Testimony of the Meshiah is the Spirit of the Prophecy.
And that holy Testimony is Spirit according to John 6:63.

 

[marks]

And the fact that YHWH is the Father is already proven by His Word, not me.

The fact that Jesus is YHWH is likewise proven by Scripture, not me.

Yes, I am in fact trinitarian.

Anyway, this is why I don't answer polls. Oftentimes the author has an agenda, and a "gotcha".

Much love!

 

[dak]

The fact that Jesus is YHWH is likewise proven by Scripture, not me.

Yes, I am in fact trinitarian.

Anyway, this is why I don't answer polls. Oftentimes the author has an agenda, and a "gotcha".

Much love!

Are you not doing the same as JW's, Mormons, Christadelphians, and those who claim to be Christians while you deny their claims concerning themselves? Yes, you are doing the same, the only difference is that your claim is to be a Trinitarian, which you clearly show that you are not: and you've only gotten around the obvious hypocrisy by ignoring and-or subverting the Word of the Father in order to make your theories work.

 

[marks]

Are you not doing the same as JW's, Mormons, Christadelphians, and those who claim to be Christians while you deny their claims concerning themselves? Yes, you are doing the same, the only difference is that your claim is to be a Trinitarian, which you clearly show that you are not: and you've only gotten around the obvious hypocrisy by ignoring and-or subverting the Word of the Father in order to make your theories work.

No, in fact I am trinitarian, I have no idea why you cannot seem to accept that.

Regardless, have a nice day!

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Nope, the Gospel is to each in his or her own appointed times, the times appointed of the Father, which no one knows except for the Father, the day when a child becomes an adult, a tried, true, fully tested son of the Father. No intelligent father puts his own untested babe or child in charge of all his goods.

Understand? Your time will not be your brother's time, nor your sister's time, nor your neighbor's time, nor was it my time: each one in his or her own appointed times appointed of the Father.

My Brother in Christ,

OH YES = i FULLY UNDERSTAND and FULLY AGREE with the TRUTH you stated that i am responding to.

the other passages i must return to as i am busy

Thank You

 

[rockytopva]

Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God. - Luke 22:69
I pray to the Father in the name of Jesus to be filled with the Holy Ghost. And use no other name tags.

John Bunyan was raised in a terrible family circumstance where his father is reported to have used every curse word known to the English language. It was only in jail where he would pick up Martin Luther's commentary on the Book of Galatians where he learned that simple faith in the Lord Jesus Christ was all that needed for salvation and the Holy Spirit. How hard is that? Getting into all these details on the trinity that took decades in study is no way of finding yourself Spirit filled!

Paul taught justification by faith in Christ Jesus, without the deeds of the Law. He reported this to the disciples at Antioch. Among the disciples were some that had been brought up in the ancient customs of the Jews. These rose against Paul in quick indignation, accusing him of propagating a gospel of lawlessness. Great dissension followed. Paul and Barnabas stood up for the truth. They testified: "Wherever we preached to the Gentiles, the Holy Ghost came upon those who received the Word. This happened everywhere. We preached not circumcision, we did not require observance of the Law. We preached faith in Jesus Christ. At our preaching of faith, God gave to the hearers the Holy Ghost." From this fact Paul and Barnabas inferred that the Holy Ghost approved the faith of the Gentiles without the Law and circumcision. If the faith of the Gentiles had not pleased the Holy Ghost, He would not have manifested His presence in the uncircumcised hearers of the Word. - Penelope: Or Love’s Labour Lost, vol. 3 | Project Gutenberg (Martin Luther's commentary on the Book of Galatians Chapter 2)

But... I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. - 2 Corinthians 11:3

 

[David in NJ]

John Bunyan was raised in a terrible family circumstance where is father is reported to have used every curse word known to the English language. It was only in jail where he would pick up Martin Luther's commentary on the Book of Galatians where he learned that simple faith in the Lord Jesus Christ was all that needed for salvation and the Holy Spirit. How hard is that? Getting into all these details on the trinity that took decades in study is no way of finding yourself Sprite filled!

Paul taught justification by faith in Christ Jesus, without the deeds of the Law. He reported this to the disciples at Antioch. Among the disciples were some that had been brought up in the ancient customs of the Jews. These rose against Paul in quick indignation, accusing him of propagating a gospel of lawlessness. Great dissension followed. Paul and Barnabas stood up for the truth. They testified: "Wherever we preached to the Gentiles, the Holy Ghost came upon those who received the Word. This happened everywhere. We preached not circumcision, we did not require observance of the Law. We preached faith in Jesus Christ. At our preaching of faith, God gave to the hearers the Holy Ghost." From this fact Paul and Barnabas inferred that the Holy Ghost approved the faith of the Gentiles without the Law and circumcision. If the faith of the Gentiles had not pleased the Holy Ghost, He would not have manifested His presence in the uncircumcised hearers of the Word. - Penelope: Or Love’s Labour Lost, vol. 3 | Project Gutenberg (Martin Luther's commentary on the Book of Galatians Chapter 2)

But... I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. - 2 Corinthians 11:3

Equally as well, today their are counterfeit manifestations of the Holy Spirit

Most christians are persuaded AWAY from the Holy Spirit Baptism as they are point blank lied to, as religion masters twist scripture.

Thus the DANGER many are in today = Matthew 25:1-13

 

[JesusFan]

(Poll) A simple Yes or No answer:
Do you believe and agree with the following statement: "Jesus is YHWH."
Yes or No?

Feel free to post and explain why or why not in the thread.

Yes, as he in the Incarnation was God in Human flesh

 

[dak]

Yes, as he in the Incarnation was God in Human flesh

Duly noted: but why no vote? It forces me to keep track of in-thread votes by scattered posts rather than by the actual poll.

 

[dak]

@Hazelelponi , thank you for voting, (and I see that you are a genuine Trinitarian).

 

[rockytopva]

John Bunyan was raised in a terrible family circumstance where his father is reported to have used every curse word known to the English language. It was only in jail where he would pick up Martin Luther's commentary on the Book of Galatians where he learned that simple faith in the Lord Jesus Christ was all that needed for salvation and the Holy Spirit. How hard is that? Getting into all these details on the trinity that took decades in study is no way of finding yourself Spirit filled!

Paul taught justification by faith in Christ Jesus, without the deeds of the Law. He reported this to the disciples at Antioch. Among the disciples were some that had been brought up in the ancient customs of the Jews. These rose against Paul in quick indignation, accusing him of propagating a gospel of lawlessness. Great dissension followed. Paul and Barnabas stood up for the truth. They testified: "Wherever we preached to the Gentiles, the Holy Ghost came upon those who received the Word. This happened everywhere. We preached not circumcision, we did not require observance of the Law. We preached faith in Jesus Christ. At our preaching of faith, God gave to the hearers the Holy Ghost." From this fact Paul and Barnabas inferred that the Holy Ghost approved the faith of the Gentiles without the Law and circumcision. If the faith of the Gentiles had not pleased the Holy Ghost, He would not have manifested His presence in the uncircumcised hearers of the Word. - Penelope: Or Love’s Labour Lost, vol. 3 | Project Gutenberg (Martin Luther's commentary on the Book of Galatians Chapter 2)

But... I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. - 2 Corinthians 11:3

If today's generation continues to complicate the simplicity that is in Christ the end result will be that God will not be able to get a blessing in there edgewise because of it. People will cease coming to Christ for the looks of the Saducee (noting... sad... you..see)