Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

[Spiritual Israelite]

Every error leads to more error.

From the error of amil has come the even bigger and deadly error of "satan's Little Season all things fulfilled in 70AD"

You are very ignorant. You are describing full preterism which says all things were fulfilled in 70 AD. Full preterists are not Amils.

 

[David in NJ]

You are very ignorant. You are describing full preterism which says all things were fulfilled in 70 AD. Full preterists are not Amils.

i can't be ignorant as i already knew the difference between the two camps

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

i can't be ignorant as i already knew the difference between the two camps

If you know the difference, then why act as if full preterism came from Amil? It most certainly did not.

 

[David in NJ]

If you know the difference, then why act as if full preterism came from Amil? It most certainly did not.

'satan's little season/70AD' is Amil on steroids

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

'satan's little season/70AD' is Amil on steroids

LOL. You can deny that you're ignorant all you want, but you prove it over and over again. Amils like me believe Satan's little season occurs just before Christ returns in the FUTURE. How does that relate at all to preterism and 70 AD?

 

[David in NJ]

LOL. You can deny that you're ignorant all you want, but you prove it over and over again. Amils like me believe Satan's little season occurs just before Christ returns in the FUTURE. How does that relate at all to preterism?

and you say i'm ignorant = lol

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

and you say i'm ignorant = lol

Yes, because you clearly are. You are ignorantly trying to claim that full preterism (those who say everything was fulfilled in 70 AD) came from Amil. No, it abolutely did not. I'm an Amil and I don't claim that everything was fulfilled in 70 AD at all. Not even close. You have to be 100% ignorant to come to the conclusion that Amil spawned full preterism.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, because you clearly are. You are ignorantly trying to claim that full preterism (those who say everything was fulfilled in 70 AD) came from Amil. No, it abolutely did not. I'm an Amil and I don't claim that everything was fulfilled in 70 AD at all. Not even close. You have to be 100% ignorant to come to the conclusion that Amil spawned full preterism.

oh well, you got me

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

oh well, you got me

Yes, I did. You should try to think first in the future before making false claims about Amil. Try actually making a coherent argument using scripture to support your view for once instead of just making things up about Amil that you can't back up.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, I did. You should try to think first in the future before making false claims about Amil. Try actually making a coherent argument using scripture to support your view for once instead of just making things up about Amil that you can't back up.

you got me - i give up

i admit that Amil err's from the Holy Scriptures
i admit "satan's little season 70AD " is Amil on steroids

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

you got me - i give up

Good deal. Let me know if you ever want to actually back up your view with scripture.

i admit that Amil err's from the Holy Scriptures

You need to admit that you're wrong about that. You certainly have done NOTHING to prove that. You're all talk. The next coherent argument you make using scripture will be the first one.

i admit "satan's little season 70AD " is Amil on steroids

I admit that you lie about Amil, which is shameful.

 

[ewq1938]

just a joke...

 

[WPM]

just a joke...

Your venom is palatable.

 

[WPM]

i can't be ignorant as i already knew the difference between the two camps

You have no clue. If you did you would not keep coming out with such nonsense. You are clearly out of your depth.

 

[Zao is life]

What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that there are two distinct physical resurrection days (the first for the righteous, the second for the wicked) separated by a literal 1000 years+?

What Scripture (including Revelation 20) do you consider definitely teaches there are two distinct future judgement days (that will see all mankind stand before Christ to give account for their lives) separated by a literal 1000 years?

Oh please. Stop with your copy & paste "list of ridiculous blanket questions" posts.

Why must I answer you about something I do not believe when I have already stated what my belief is about it and you have now once again just proved that either you either lack the required intelligence to read what others reply, or simply cannot be bothered because you are so comfortable in your own blindness?

You are indeed extremely lazy aren't you? No wonder you still believe in Amillennialism.

Once again you prove that you neither know what you are talking about, nor what you are asking about.

But you are incapable of hearing so I do not know why I'm answering you, because I don't of necessity need to answer you again regarding your ridiculous questions because many aside from myself have done so previously - but in your hubris you (and your support @Spiritual Israelite ) have merely replied to me with with

My answers regarding your above questions would in any case be too deep for you because you prove over and over that you do not believe scripture without changing its meaning to comply with Amil.

If you like you can go and read what I wrote on THIS page and on THIS page and THIS page and THIS page and THIS page - because I have spoken about those same Biblical facts in posts here before

- which in you hubris you merely replied to either with or a list of stupid questions like in your posts above which showed you do not even read what people reply to you because your mind is locked, closed, incapable of growing further in the knowledge and understanding of the Word of God because you are incapable of breaking free from your faith in your Amil doctrine.

You have once again just proved that you are so lazy with your "copy & paste post" questions lists that you cannot even copy and paste a post like that without even considering the fact that you are asking blanket questions - some of which falsely state what the person you are talking to believes - like the questions above.

As for the rest of your questions, all this has already been given to you by myself and many others - over and over and over. You have proved you do not believe scripture so why must it be done yet again just because you demand it - yet do not read or hear, and are blind?

Because though it has been proved to you over and over and over that you promote a doctrine that has zero corroboration with scripture, you respond by merely continuing to change the meaning of all scriptures that prove Amil false, in order to force scripture to comply.

For example, though Revelation 20:4-6 and a number of other scriptures have been cited for you, you have determined and are determined to continue to change what it means and to tell scripture what scripture means in order that you may refuse to acknowledge the fact that Revelation 20:4-6 is talking about souls who had been beheaded who were once again physically alive [zao] in their bodies following their own bodily resurrection [anastasis] from the dead at the time of the return of Christ.

You have proved that you are incapable of acknowledging Biblical truth when it's given to you. So why are you asking?

So now in order to help you not to reply with another copy and paste post with statements like "no corroboration with scripture" that you obtain when looking in your mirror, I'm going to copy and paste one of your usual replies for you:

Once again, no corroboration. Just ad hominem, deflection and avoidance..

Click reply, and copy & paste the above now into your next post - then you won't have to reach for it in your files in your PC (or wherever you keep all your copy & paste posts).

But just to complete it let me help you with something else you normally answer with:



While I'm about it, here's one for your support @Spiritual Israelite who always supports your ignorance with his own ignorance produced in his own hubris :

 

[Zao is life]

oh well, you got me

He thinks he did but he got himself because he cannot tell the difference between X, and Y being spawned form X, so fails to notice the words "spawned from" the way Amils always fail to notice whatever words in scripture they choose not to notice. His mind has been trained by his faith in Amil doctrine.

 

[WPM]

Oh please. Stop with your copy & paste "list of ridiculous blanket questions" posts.

Why must I answer you about something I do not believe when I have already stated what my belief is about it and you have now once again just proved that either you either lack the required intelligence to read what others reply, or simply cannot be bothered because you are so comfortable in your own blindness?

You are indeed extremely lazy aren't you? No wonder you still believe in Amillennialism.

Once again you prove that you neither know what you are talking about, nor what you are asking about.

But you are incapable of hearing so I do not know why I'm answering you, because I don't of necessity need to answer you again regarding your ridiculous questions because many aside from myself have done so previously - but in your hubris you (and your support @Spiritual Israelite ) have merely replied to me with with

My answers regarding your above questions would in any case be too deep for you because you prove over and over that you do not believe scripture without changing its meaning to comply with Amil.

If you like you can go and read what I wrote on THIS page and on THIS page and THIS page and THIS page and THIS page - because I have spoken about those same Biblical facts in posts here before

- which in you hubris you merely replied to either with or a list of stupid questions like in your posts above which showed you do not even read what people reply to you because your mind is locked, closed, incapable of growing further in the knowledge and understanding of the Word of God because you are incapable of breaking free from your faith in your Amil doctrine.

You have once again just proved that you are so lazy with your "copy & paste post" questions lists that you cannot even copy and paste a post like that without even considering the fact that you are asking blanket questions - some of which falsely state what the person you are talking to believes - like the questions above.

As for the rest of your questions, all this has already been given to you by myself and many others - over and over and over. You have proved you do not believe scripture so why must it be done yet again just because you demand it - yet do not read or hear, and are blind?

Because though it has been proved to you over and over and over that you promote a doctrine that has zero corroboration with scripture, you respond by merely continuing to change the meaning of all scriptures that prove Amil false, in order to force scripture to comply.

For example, though Revelation 20:4-6 and a number of other scriptures have been cited for you, you have determined and are determined to continue to change what it means and to tell scripture what scripture means in order that you may refuse to acknowledge the fact that Revelation 20:4-6 is talking about souls who had been beheaded who were once again physically alive [zao] in their bodies following their own bodily resurrection [anastasis] from the dead at the time of the return of Christ.

You have proved that you are incapable of acknowledging Biblical truth when it's given to you. So why are you asking?

So now in order to help you not to reply with another copy and paste post with statements like "no corroboration with scripture" that you obtain when looking in your mirror, I'm going to copy and paste one of your usual replies for you:



Click reply, and copy & paste the above now into your next post - then you won't have to reach for it in your files in your PC (or wherever you keep all your copy & paste posts).

But just to complete it let me help you with something else you normally answer with:



While I'm about it, here's one for your support @Spiritual Israelite who always supports your ignorance with his own ignorance produced in his own hubris :

First, there is nothing of theological worth to rebut here. It is just all noise.

Second, I will certainly not take any lectures from you on cut-and-paste. Many of your posts are that.

If I repeat anything it is because it is being ignored. It is normally being ignored because to answer correctly would actually reinforce my thesis - namely Premil is an non-corroborative theory. You and your fellow Premils avoid these questions because they expose the whole foundation of Premil - it is built on a private interpretation of Rev 20. The mantra of Premils is: what saith Rev 20. Expose that and the straw house falls.

All the rest of your post is just noise and ad hominem. I will not engage in that.

Third, you and Premils' constant avoidance actually shows more than an Amil can that do that your position is untenable and extra-biblical. So, you are acting advancing the Amil cause by this constant avoidance and ad hominem.

 

[claninja]

presuppositions, dogmatism of doctrines along with intellectualism cannot unlock the wealth in the Scriptures

Failure to abide under the Ordination of Scripture results in circumvention fueled by religion, respect of persons and counterfeit apostles, prophets and teachers

When a theological system can’t answer Scripture, it often changes the subject to motives. That doesn’t resolve the textual problem—it just confirms it exists. Thanks for demonstrating that with your generic response that provides no evidence for your own position nor addresses anything i posted.

 

[David in NJ]

When a theological system can’t answer Scripture, it often changes the subject to motives. That doesn’t resolve the textual problem—it just confirms it exists. Thanks for demonstrating that with your generic response that provides no evidence for your own position nor addresses anything i posted.

"generic response" = lol x100

keep em coming for you are making some real good lol = thank you

 

[Marty fox]

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


I mainly want to focus on this portion---which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands

A) a time before the millennium begins

B) a time during the millennium

C) a time after the millennium ends

During which of these, A), B) and C), can we assume they are martyred because they did none of these things at the time?

Does it make sense they can be martyred during A) for refusing to do this? Yes.


What about during C)? No.

That leaves B). What about during B) then? No. And here are some reasons why.

In order to be martyred for the reasons they are, it involves everything in Revelation 13 having been fulfilled. Except how could anything in Revelation 13 involve the millennium when both Premil and Amil have satan in the pit during the millennium, and that Amil also has the beast in the pit during the millennium?

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.


Does this sound like the beast is still in the pit at this point? Until the beast rises up out of the sea, where is it logically located in the meantime if not in the pit? And why can't 'sea' here simply be code for the bottomless pit? Compare Revelation 13:1 with Revelation 17:3, 8.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up (anabaino) out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns , and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy


Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend (anabaino) out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.



In my opinion, the 10 crowns upon the 10 horns that are all on the head that was wounded and is healed, can be explained per the following. After all, do not crowns and kings go together.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Based on all of the above, and what else can be added to the OP that hasn't been added yet, how is it reasonable that Amil can be a valid view? Revelation, plus passages elsewhere outside of Revelation, reveal that it is the 42 month reign of the beast that precede the 2nd coming. Therefore, in order for Amil to be a valid position, the 42 month reign of the beast must occur during satan's little season. But how can it when Revelation 20:4 already reveals that the 42 month reign of thebeast precede satan's little season?

I’m not sure how many times we can over this but this has been answered before they are killed “B“ during the thousand years. You have also been told what the pit actually is.

The beast is a demonic being influencing nations and their leaders just like we see demonic beings influencing nations in Daniel chapter 10.

The beast is allowed to come out of the abyss for a purpose just like the beast destroys Babylon the great for Gods purpose in Revelation chapter 17. For the beast to be in the abyss means that God put it in there in the first place

The pit is a spiritual condition as the great chain is the power of the gospel that spirituality binds satan from deceiving the nations (those who believe in the gospel) because the gospel reveals the truth of Jesus. Thus satan can be in the pit during the thousand years and also deceive those who don’t have the gospel.

The thousand years startEd at the cross and resurrection. The beast comes out of the abyss and enters Nero who persecutes the church is then judged and sent to the lake of fire.