How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

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So, do angels also obey the will of God?
Most do, some fell out of Heaven due to rebellion.

Is angle also fully God and fully angle?
No not fully God. However, some fallen angels may pretend to be a false god.

Satan is called the god of this world.

2 Corinthians 4:4​

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4 The ruler[god] of this world has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They cannot see the light of the Good News—the message about the divine greatness of Christ. Christ is the one who is exactly like God.


God said from the beginning that the two shall become one flesh.

Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit.

So why did God establish this arrangement of the two becoming one?

Is it only about husband and wife becoming one?

What about children?

Are these arrangements related to Jesus saying, "I and the Father are one"?

Do not use the Trinity to explain, as that is a flawed teaching and completely disregards the authority of God's Word.

Perhaps this is why the son of God wanted to marry a human woman. They might also have wanted to become something of a being.
 
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Revelation 20:9-10
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9 I saw Satan’s army march across the earth and gather around the camp of God’s people and the city that God loves. But fire came down from heaven and destroyed Satan’s army.
10 And he (the one who tricked these people) was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur with the beast and the false prophet. There they would be tortured day and night forever and ever.
11 Then I saw a large white throne. I saw the one who was sitting on the throne. Earth and sky ran away from him and disappeared. 12 And I saw those who had died, great and small, standing before the throne. Some books were opened. And another book was opened—the book of life. The people were judged by what they had done, which is written in the books.

Revelation 21:24-25
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24 The peoples of the world will walk by the light given by the Lamb. The rulers of the earth will bring their glory into the city. 25 The city’s gates will never close on any day, because there is no night there.

Jesus is hte Judge there.
Thank you for these scriptures, they help me have a broader understanding. I agree that any words in Revelation are very important. Thank you I agree with you Jesus is the Judge.

Revelation 20:10 still applies to the devil, the beast and the false Prophet, doesn't it?
 
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Did you read Verse One of Revelation?
Revelation 1:1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, NIV

Thanks for the scripture and the correction. :hearteyes:
 
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God said from the beginning that the two shall become one flesh.

Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit.

So why did God establish this arrangement of the two becoming one?

Is it only about husband and wife becoming one?

What about children?

Are these arrangements related to Jesus saying, "I and the Father are one"?

Do not use the Trinity to explain, as that is a flawed teaching and completely disregards the authority of God's Word.

Perhaps this is why the son of God wanted to marry a human woman. They might also have wanted to become something of a being.
So why did God establish this arrangement of the two becoming one?

humor: there was no one them.

Is it only about husband and wife becoming one?

It creates a legal contract, now days.

What about children?

That is their choice.

Are these arrangements related to Jesus saying, "I and the Father are one"?

The "I and the Father are one" statement about both having a divine, God nature.
 

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How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?​

Let's discuss "Trinitarianism as the outgrowth of the early Church’s effort to understand and explain its own experience of the risen Christ in philosophical terms." - @RedFan

Open discussion on the development of the Trinitarian doctrine.
 

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Let's discuss "Trinitarianism as the outgrowth of the early Church’s effort to understand and explain its own experience of the risen Christ in philosophical terms." - @RedFan

Open discussion on the development of the Trinitarian doctrine.

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I have been dealing with this issue for more than a decade now.


My original model that I think is better than most was that the Trinity doctrine was a harmonization of scriptural truth and conflict namely between the Old Testament Shema that describes God as "One" (Echad) vs. Trinitarian passages of the New Testament naming "Father, Son and Holy Spirit (3 beings) that looks like a contradiction of that, but could be rationalized and harmonized with Stoic and Greek Philosophy that resolves the situation a little like 8 Blind Sufi-Wisemen and the Elephant except in this case the Wisemen, aka Nicene Church Fathers theorized and understood the basic theoretical elephant compared to Judaism.


But a year or two after giving this basic idea online I ran into Michael Heiser on YouTube and I heard about "Two Powers in Heaven". I had heard about "Binitarianism" before but thought it was just an early Christian position, basically Arianism before and after Nicaea. Anyway my belief now is Biniatianism coming out of Judaism was the starting point (Two Powers in Heaven), and that verses addressing that were interpreted through that notion/insight to make a Subordinated Trinity of Tertullian very early on, and then more study of the Scriptures would lead to specific Nicene Trinitarianism, but that some of the early Fathers would have had that insight early on or from the get go, but that would not be on the radar so to speak with all the problems the Church had with survival, persecution etc. Basically it took an official Church doctrinal controversy to put it on the radar dogmatically speaking.
 

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Theophilus of Antioch (189 AD) is the earliest Christian to invoke the concept of "the Trinity:" and his version is not the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but rather "God, God"s Word (Christ), and God's Wisdom (not "the Holy Spirit1')." Matthew's tripartite baptismal f ormula does not use the tern "Trinity."
 

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Theophilus of Antioch (189 AD) is the earliest Christian to invoke the concept of "the Trinity:" and his version is not the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but rather "God, God"s Word (Christ), and God's Wisdom (not "the Holy Spirit1')." Matthew's tripartite baptismal f ormula does not use the tern "Trinity."
quotes please
 

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Theophilus of Antioch (189 AD) is the earliest Christian to invoke the concept of "the Trinity:" and his version is not the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but rather "God, God"s Word (Christ), and God's Wisdom (not "the Holy Spirit1')." Matthew's tripartite baptismal f ormula does not use the tern "Trinity."
It's still 3 Persons because they are spoken of as Persons in the NT.

What is Matthew's triparte baptismal formula?
You mean 28:19?
The Father
The Son
The Holy Spirit

What would that be called if not the Trinity?
A rose by any other name....
 

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Let's discuss "Trinitarianism as the outgrowth of the early Church’s effort to understand and explain its own experience of the risen Christ in philosophical terms." - @RedFan

Open discussion on the development of the Trinitarian doctrine.

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Why do you even care since you said you don't trust the Bible????????????
 
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Theophilus of Antioch (189 AD) is the earliest Christian to invoke the concept of "the Trinity:" and his version is not the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but rather "God, God"s Word (Christ), and God's Wisdom (not "the Holy Spirit1')."
From Athenagoras's Plea for Christians (ca. 177 AD):

"CHAP. X.--THE CHRISTIANS WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY GHOST.

That we are not atheists, therefore, seeing that we acknowledge one God, uncreated, eternal, invisible, impassible, incomprehensible, illimitable, who is apprehended by the understanding only and the reason, who is encompassed by light, and beauty, and spirit, and power ineffable, by whom the universe has been created through His Logos, and set in order, and is kept in being--I have sufficiently demonstrated. [I say "His Logos"], for we acknowledge also a Son of God. Nor let any one think it ridiculous that God should have a Son. For though the poets, in their fictions, represent the gods as no better than men, our mode of thinking is not the same as theirs, concerning either God the Father or the Son. But the Son of God is the Logos of the Father, in idea and in operation; for after the pattern of Him and by Him were all things made, the Father and the Son being one. And, the Son being in the Father and the Father in the Son, in oneness and power of spirit, the understanding and reason (nous kai logos) of the Father is the Son of God. But if, in your surpassing intelligence, it occurs to you to inquire what is meant by the Son, I will state briefly that He is the first product of the Father, not as having been brought into existence (for from the beginning, God, who is the eternal mind [nous], had the Logos in Himself, being from eternity instinct with Logos [logikos]; but inasmuch as He came forth to be the idea and energizing power of all material things, which lay like a nature without attributes, and an inactive earth, the grosser particles being mixed up with the lighter. The prophetic Spirit also agrees with our statements. "The Lord," it says, "made me, the beginning of His ways to His works." The Holy Spirit Himself also, which operates in the prophets, we assert to be an effluence of God, flowing from Him, and returning back again like a beam of the sun. Who, then, would not be astonished to hear men who speak of God the Father, and of God the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and who declare both their power in union and their distinction in order, called atheists? Nor is our teaching in what relates to the divine nature confined to these points; but we recognise also a multitude of angels and ministers, whom God the Maker and Framer of the world distributed and ap pointed to their several posts by His Logos, to occupy themselves about the elements, and the heavens, and the world, and the things in it, and the goodly ordering of them all."

Athenagoras of Athens: A Plea for the Christians

Matthew's tripartite baptismal f ormula does not use the tern "Trinity."
No, and that doesn't matter. What matters is that that "name" is singular in reference to three distinct "persons."
 
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