Did the Apostle Paul believe in a forever burning hell?

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Jesus didn't say plucking out your eyes would save you.
No Jack, Jesus did not say that. He literally said:

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out:
He said plucking out your eyes is better than burning in Hell Fire FOREVER!
And he didn't say that either. You're being dishonest with yourself and everyone else reading this thread.

Anyone with the God given ability to reason realizes that Jesus isn't speaking literally here.
By your own response Jack, you proved to us that even you know this to be true.

Yet, I bet, you'll still teach and preach that the "hell fire" is literal.

The truth is Jack, Jesus is speaking of judgment upon belivers in this/their present lifetimes.
 

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No Jack, Jesus did not say that. He literally said:

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out:
Do you think plucking out your eye will save you?
And he didn't say that either. You're being dishonest with yourself and everyone else reading this thread.

Anyone with the God given ability to reason realizes that Jesus isn't speaking literally here.
By your own response Jack, you proved to us that even you know this to be true.
Another Watchtower messenger?

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Yet, I bet, you'll still teach and preach that the "hell fire" is literal.
I sure do!
Matthew 5:22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.
The truth is Jack, Jesus is speaking of judgment upon belivers in this/their present lifetimes.
The Truth is, Hell will be filled with BILLIONS of humans who don't believe in Hell Fire!
 
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No Jack, Jesus did not say that. He literally said:

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out:

And he didn't say that either. You're being dishonest with yourself and everyone else reading this thread.

Anyone with the God given ability to reason realizes that Jesus isn't speaking literally here.
By your own response Jack, you proved to us that even you know this to be true.

Yet, I bet, you'll still teach and preach that the "hell fire" is literal.

The truth is Jack, Jesus is speaking of judgment upon belivers in this/their present lifetimes.
Satan LOVES it when his messengers convince people that there is no Hell Fire!
 

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Satan LOVES it when his messengers convince people that there is no Hell Fire!
Actually, Satan loves when self proclaimed Christians, such as you, teach that he will claim more souls than our Father in Heaven.

You should be ashamed of yourself for declaring that Christ is not the Savior of the world.
 
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Actually, Satan loves when self proclaimed Christians, such as you, teach that he will claim more souls than our Father in Heaven.
Are you preaching Satan's Universalist doctrine?

You should read the Bible some time.

Mt 7 Narrow is the way to life and FEW there be who find it.

Guess Who said that.
You should be ashamed of yourself for declaring that Christ is not the Savior of the world.
Mk 16 He that believeth not shall be DAMNED!

Why would I be ashamed of what Jesus said?

Revelation 20:10

10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 
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Actually, Satan loves when self proclaimed Christians, such as you, teach that he will claim more souls than our Father in Heaven.

You should be ashamed of yourself for declaring that Christ is not the Savior of the world.
It seems that the main apologetic they use for that idea is the broad and narrow way.
"Few there be that find it." As if God is making sport with our souls.
 

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No Jack, Jesus did not say that. He literally said:

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out:

And he didn't say that either. You're being dishonest with yourself and everyone else reading this thread.

Anyone with the God given ability to reason realizes that Jesus isn't speaking literally here.
By your own response Jack, you proved to us that even you know this to be true.

Yet, I bet, you'll still teach and preach that the "hell fire" is literal.

The truth is Jack, Jesus is speaking of judgment upon belivers in this/their present lifetimes.

Hell is real! But…..the topic can be confusing, because of that the Jehovah's Witnesses and others try to use the confusion to deny it’s existence. But Hell is real…..so let’s straighten this out. Hear are some facts….

1. Hell is not mentioned in the Old Testament.

2. The understanding of an eternal fiery place of eternal punishment did not exist during the Old Testament period.

3. Some Christians did not understand why Hell was not in the Old Testament.

4. So they put it there with some of the older translational processes.

5. Some times they used the word Hades. Hades is a Greek word, it cannot be in a Hebrew text.... wrong time period. Hades is a Greek god and reigned over an underworld of the same name. No fire.

6. Hell was new information in the New Testament so there was no word for an eternal fiery place of punishment. The word Hell comes out in the 8th century….Anglo-Saxon-German.

7. Because there was no word for Hell Yeshua and the Apostles referenced it in different ways…. explanations and examples like Gehenna. They also used the Greek word Hades and changed what it meant. This was not uncommon, some call it Christian Greek. The Greek language and culture did not have Christian terms or concepts. So Yeshua and the Apostles improvised using words and modifying the meaning. Like I said, Hades is a Greek god that reigned over an underworld of the same name.

8. Hell is real!

Scriptural references to Hell.....

Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the Gehenna of fire.

Matthew 5:29-30 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into Gehenna. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into Gehenna.

Matthew 8:12 While the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.

Matthew 3:12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”

Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 13:50 And throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of Gehenna as yourselves.

Matthew 23:33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to Gehenna?

Matthew 24:51 And will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Mark 9:43 And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to Gehenna, to the unquenchable fire.

Mark 9:45 And if your foot offend you, cut if off: it is better to you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into Gehenna, into the fire that never shall be quenched.

Mark 9:48 where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.

Luke 3:17 His winnowing fork is in his hand, to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”

Luke 12:5 But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into Gehenna. Yes, I tell you, fear him!

Luke 16:19-31 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.

John 5:28-29 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

2nd Thessalonians 1:8-9 In flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

2nd Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; Tartarus means deep abyss.

Jude 1:7 Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, they serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Revelation 1:18 And the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

Revelation 14:10 He also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:12-15--- 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

You can look the scriptures up and see what words was actually used.
 
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Hell is real! But…..the topic can be confusing, because of that the Jehovah's Witnesses and others try to use the confusion to deny it’s existence. But Hell is real…..so let’s straighten this out. Hear are some facts….

1. Hell is not mentioned in the Old Testament.

2. The understanding of an eternal fiery place of eternal punishment did not exist during the Old Testament period.

3. Some Christians did not understand why Hell was not in the Old Testament.

4. So they put it there with some of the older translational processes.
Doesn't that tell you that hell is NOT real?
Why would it NOT be mentioned in the OT?

5. Some times they used the word Hades. Hades is a Greek word, it cannot be in a Hebrew text.... wrong time period. Hades is a Greek god and reigned over an underworld of the same name. No fire.
Doesn't that tell you that hell is NOT real?

6. Hell was new information in the New Testament so there was no word for an eternal fiery place of punishment. The word Hell comes out in the 8th century….Anglo-Saxon-German.
Doesn't that tell you that hell is NOT real?

7. Because there was no word for Hell Yeshua and the Apostles referenced it in different ways…. explanations and examples like Gehenna. They also used the Greek word Hades and changed what it meant. This was not uncommon, some call it Christian Greek. The Greek language and culture did not have Christian terms or concepts. So Yeshua and the Apostles improvised using words and modifying the meaning. Like I said, Hades is a Greek god that reigned over an underworld of the same name.

8. Hell is real!
Doesn't that tell you that hell is NOT real?
 
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Doesn't that tell you that hell is NOT real?
Why would it NOT be mentioned in the OT?


Doesn't that tell you that hell is NOT real?


Doesn't that tell you that hell is NOT real?


Doesn't that tell you that hell is NOT real?

No it does not tell us that Hell is not real. Read the scriptures given. Yeshua made it clear that Hell is real. Things changed. Satan is not defined as a demon in the Old Testament but in the New Testament he is.

The Jews do not believe in a devil or Hell....then or now. But in the New Testament the devil and Hell are real. Yeshua explained that both are real and are a threat.
 
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Which begs the question:
Did the Apostle Paul believe in a forever burning hell?


What?
I believe in Eternal Damnation…
ie: separation From God and burning.

Where?
Lake of Fire.

Who?
Lifeless human bodies ash, continual burning
Living Fallen Spirit Angels, continual burning

When?
End of Human Existence.

Why?
Effect:
* “a Phase” of: Gods Will be Accomplished.
ie…
* Eternally Restored Heaven
* Eternally Restored Earth
* Barrier between Heaven and Earth Removed.
* True Love Accomplished Between God and All His Creations On Heaven and Earth.

What next?
With Lord God Almighty Forever…
Peace, Joy, Beauty…
Expectation of never ending Goodness…
(And suspect…more knowledge and understanding).

QUESTION: Did Paul Believe in THIS?
ANSWER: I trust he Did.

Glory to God,
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From the CYB Statement of Faith:

"Eternal separation from God occurs in hell."

That's Biblical FACT!
 

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Did the Apostle Paul believe in a forever burning hell?​


Of course he did. He was taught directly by Jesus who warned us of Hell several times!
 

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Thanks for the link.
Of what value is eternal conscious torment?
Isn't God in the business of redemption?
You are welcome.
It is not valuable (read the book), but is rather a malicious mischaracterization (a slander and libel) of God's justice & love (read the book) by the devil foisted upon God.
Yes.
 
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BILLIONS of humans will burn in Hell FOREVER who don't believe in Hell! Jesus said so.
 

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1. Hell is not mentioned in the Old Testament. ...
What are you talking about?

Deu_32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
2Sa_22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;
Job_11:8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?
Job_26:6 Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.
Psa_9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


Psa_16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Psa 15:10 Origen's Greek Hexapla - ὅτι οὐκ ἐγκαταλείψεις τὴν ψυχήν μου εἰς ᾅδην οὐδὲ δώσεις τὸν ὅσιόν σου ἰδεῖν διαφθοράν.

This OT verse, is even directly cited in the NT texts (Act. 2:27-31, 13:35-38):

Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:27 GNT TR - οτι ουκ εγκαταλειψεις την ψυχην μου εις αδου ουδε δωσεις τον οσιον σου ιδειν διαφθοραν
Act 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Psa_18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.
Psa_55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
Psa_86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.
Psa_116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.
Psa_139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Pro_5:5 Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.
Pro_7:27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.
Pro_9:18 But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.
Pro_15:11 Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?
Pro_15:24 The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.
Pro_23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
Pro_27:20 Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.
Isa_5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Isa_14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Isa_14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa_28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Isa_28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
Isa_57:9 And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell.
Eze_31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
Eze_31:17 They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
Eze_32:21 The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.
Eze_32:27 And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.
Amo_9:2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:
Jon_2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
Hab_2:5 Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:
 

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You are welcome.
It is not valuable (read the book), but is rather a malicious mischaracterization (a slander and libel) of God's justice & love (read the book) by the devil foisted upon God.
Yes.
Good to hear.
I thought you were going the other direction with this.