Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

[Marty fox]

If you believe their is any error in the Scriptures that i posted or in the way i posted them, feel free to elaborate.

Also - when i post i am very specific = especially when a lie is being perpetrated by doctrines of men!!!

Therefore, when a person holds to a doctrinal error, they will feel as if they themself is being attacked.

This was the main obstacle with the pharisees, with Catholics, with Protestants(especially Baptists) with ecumenicalism, with SDA with Watchtower followers and on and on...

Our Heavenly FATHER is Calling us to come out of Mystery Babylon = the place of all false doctrines/teachings

EXAMPLE:
When the Romans destroyed the Temple in 70AD and ransacked Jerusalem = what kings of the earth, hid themselves in caves and rocks???

This TRUTH alone exposes the LIE of "we are in satan's little season now/today"

There is no error in scriptures just in interpretations of men.

I provided the very words of Jesus and you just dismissed them. If Jesus said to you "Son of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’" would you think that He is talking to you?

My point is that you are blind to other interpretations than yours. I used the very same words of Jesus you dismiss it because you can't decipher that kings can also be something besides a king but an position of high authority.

The term kings doesn't mean that its also not just high positions but average people just like Jesus stated and the of Revelations verse is just shows some people.

 

[David in NJ]

I am sorry to hear that and pray for relief for you but the Lord knows our hearts too.

My point is to not just state that we are wrong without hearing our interpretations and for you to consider our interpretations and then come to your own conclusion and not to tell us that we are professing lies of men. That is not graceful debating in love but condemnation.

We, we do not want our interpretations.

We desire our Heavenly FATHER's Truth.

#1 - No condemnation was ever directed at you or anyone!!!

#2 - There is no condemnation in Christ

#3 - There is no condemnation in believing and trusting in His Commandments for our Peace = Matthew 4:4

JESUS warned us of this: Matthew 24:4 = “See to it that no one deceives you."

"satan's little season is now/today" is deception that JESUS warned us of!!!

SEE = And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

SEE = 2 Timothy 2:14-19
Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers.
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.
And their message will spread like cancer.
Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth,
saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.

@Lizbeth @Archie @VictoryinJesus = TRUTH has been given to us by GOD to Save us from every lie and the spirit of error

 

[Marty fox]

We, we do not want our interpretations.

We desire our Heavenly FATHER's Truth.

#1 - No condemnation was ever directed at you or anyone!!!

#2 - There is no condemnation in Christ

#3 - There is no condemnation in believing and trusting in His Commandments for our Peace = Matthew 4:4

JESUS warned us of this: Matthew 24:4 = “See to it that no one deceives you."

"satan's little season is now/today" is deception that JESUS warned us of!!!

SEE = And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

SEE = 2 Timothy 2:14-19
Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers.
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.
And their message will spread like cancer.
Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth,
saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.

@Lizbeth @Archie @VictoryinJesus = TRUTH has been given to us by GOD to Save us from every lie and the spirit of error

This just proves my point, your not looking at our interpretation and then deciphering the truth you are just telling us that we are deceived by satan, that is not debating with an open mind, why is it that you are not the one deceived by satan?

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes their hearts were failing them for fear I'm sure....those were terrible times. Do you think the sun and moon turning black and stars falling from heaven had to be literal? Stars falling from heaven referring to those who were falling away....sun and moon turning black, meant the church and the gospel of Christ were not shining their light...the church was under such heavy persecution at the time....many were martyred, many were falling away, and the rest had to flee Jerusalem as per Jesus' prophetic warning and instruction. No sun and moon left shining in Jerusalem when the faithful were all gone, either dead or fled or fallen into apostasy.....thus Jerusalem was left desolate.

The very future generation that will witness the future signs will also be eyewitnesses of the second coming of Jesus in the heavens

Did the generation of 70AD look up and witness the return of Jesus "No"

Your claim of 70AD fulfillment is 100% false, will you fight against God's very simple words of truth before your eyes?

Luke 21:24-28KJV
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

YES

Okay, thank you for answering the question. So, since you agree that all of the wicked are destroyed when Jesus returns, then who exactly do you believe will populate the earth for a thousand years at that point? You agree that believers will all be changed to put on bodily immortality when He returns, right?

 

[Lizbeth]

@Lizbeth @VictoryinJesus @Archie @Marty fox

We all must KISS the LORD = Keep It Simple Saints


God's Will and Emphasis for us is Prov 30:5-6 and 1 Cor 1:10 and Rev 6:16

I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.

And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

When the Romans destroyed the Temple in 70AD and ransacked Jerusalem = what kings of the earth, hid themselves in caves and rocks???

Reject the BIG LIE of "we are in satan's little season now/today"

Kings of the earth is alluding at least in part to religious leaders (Jewish or Christian) who are ruling over their own little kingdoms in the form of churches/synagogues/ministries. Many living like kings too. Priests who rule by their own means and the people love to have it so. (When we see the word "earth" it is not always talking about the whole world but some who are on the earth or some place/s on it.) The suffering in Jerusalem was terrible back then.... a long siege, starvation and anticipating in fear the inevitable cruelties of Roman invasion....it certainly was a day of wrath to Israel and had long been prophesied.

I don't know when to pinpoint satan's "little season" beginning brother......but I do believe we are in the days leading up to it. Things are getting very dark. And time will tell, but i'm with you on keeping an eye on how things go with DJT.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You guys still get the kings of the Earth and Merchants of the Earth correct.

Sad.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It depends on what exactly He was applying his words to in v. 32. Because v. 24 was all fulfilled in 70 AD before that generation passed away....they did fall by the sword and were led away captive and Jerusalem was destroyed and began to be trodden of the Gentiles from that time onward.

If you conclude that Luke 21:32 relates to 70 AD, then is that what you believe about Luke 21:25-31 as well?

 

[David in NJ]

Kings of the earth is alluding at least in part to religious leaders (Jewish or Christian) who are ruling over their own little kingdoms in the form of churches/synagogues/ministries. Many living like kings too.

That is some serious streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch of Scripture that i have seen so far!!!

The suffering in Jerusalem was terrible back then.... a long siege, starvation and anticipating in fear the inevitable cruelties of Roman invasion....it certainly was a day of wrath to Israel and had long been prophesied.

That was God's Judgment on a specific building/Temple and those who murdered CHRIST

But it was not God's Wrath which is Reserved for the Second Coming of Christ upon the whole world.

Priests who rule by their own means and the people love to have it so.

This is now/today.

(When we see the word "earth" it is not always talking about the whole world but some who are on the earth or some place/s on it.)

Israel is reffered to as "the land"

The "earth" refers to the nations

Isaiah chapter 245 is the OT prophecy that is REPEATED by the LORD in Revelation 6:12-17
It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,
And on the earth the kings of the earth.
They will be gathered together,
As prisoners are gathered in the pit,
And will be shut up in the prison;
After many days they will be punished.
Then the moon will be disgraced
And the sun ashamed;
For the Lord of hosts will reign
On Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
And before His elders, gloriously.

I don't know when to pinpoint satan's "little season" beginning brother......but I do believe we are in the days leading up to it

Lizbeth, we are waiting for the Second Coming of Christ = GOSPEL, 1st and 2nd Thess , 1 Cor chapter 15 and MORE

DO NOT sin against God's words by saying "the Resurrection is past" = 2 Timothy 2:16-18

@Marty fox @Archie @VictoryinJesus

 

[David in NJ]

Okay, thank you for answering the question. So, since you agree that all of the wicked are destroyed when Jesus returns, then who exactly do you believe will populate the earth for a thousand years at that point? You agree that believers will all be changed to put on bodily immortality when He returns, right?

SIMPLE = Matthew 4:4

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

SIMPLE = Matthew 4:4

That's a non-answer. That verse says nothing about who you think would populate a supposed future thousand years on the earth. If you want to be taken seriously, then you'll just answer my simple question. Otherwise, you can't be taken seriously. It's your choice.

 

[David in NJ]

This just proves my point, your not looking at our interpretation and then deciphering the truth you are just telling us that we are deceived by satan, that is not debating with an open mind, why is it that you are not the one deceived by satan?

Whose "interpretation" ??? = no one has the Rights to Interpretation except the HOLY SPIRIT = 1 Peter 1:20

"Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things"

The ONLY thing that matters to GOD is that you DO NOT add or take away from His words
AND
that you BELIEVE His every word = Matthew 4:4

 

[David in NJ]

That's a non-answer. That verse says nothing about who you think would populate a supposed future thousand years on the earth. If you want to be take seriously, then you'll just answer my simple question. Otherwise, you can't be taken seriously. It's your choice.

That is JESUS Answer directly to you, me and everyone!

But i see that you do not like the Answer from the LORD

 

[Marty fox]

That is some serious streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch of Scripture that i have seen so far!!!


That was God's Judgment on a specific building/Temple and those who murdered CHRIST

But it was not God's Wrath which is Reserved for the Second Coming of Christ upon the whole world.



This is now/today.


Israel is reffered to as "the land"

The "earth" refers to the nations

Isaiah chapter 245 is the OT prophecy that is REPEATED by the LORD in Revelation 6:12-17
It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,
And on the earth the kings of the earth.
They will be gathered together,
As prisoners are gathered in the pit,
And will be shut up in the prison;
After many days they will be punished.
Then the moon will be disgraced
And the sun ashamed;
For the Lord of hosts will reign
On Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
And before His elders, gloriously.


Lizbeth, we are waiting for the Second Coming of Christ = GOSPEL, 1st and 2nd Thess , 1 Cor chapter 15 and MORE

DO NOT sin against God's words by saying "the Resurrection is past" = 2 Timothy 2:16-18

@Marty fox @Archie @VictoryinJesus

The bible shows that the world meant Isreal

John 12
17 Now the crowd that was with him when he called Lazarus from the tomb and raised him from the dead continued to spread the word. 18 Many people, because they had heard that he had performed this sign, went out to meet him. 19 So the Pharisees said to one another, “See, this is getting us nowhere. Look how the whole world has gone after him!”

 

[Marty fox]

Whose "interpretation" ??? = no one has the Rights to Interpretation except the HOLY SPIRIT = 1 Peter 1:20

"Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things"

The ONLY thing that matters to GOD is that you DO NOT add or take away from His words
AND
that you BELIEVE His every word = Matthew 4:4

We all have our ideas of understanding the scriptures then come together to discuss and test them against other scriptures so that God can reveal the truth to us

 

[David in NJ]

The bible shows that the world meant Isreal

John 12
17 Now the crowd that was with him when he called Lazarus from the tomb and raised him from the dead continued to spread the word. 18 Many people, because they had heard that he had performed this sign, went out to meet him. 19 So the Pharisees said to one another, “See, this is getting us nowhere. Look how the whole world has gone after him!”

You are really streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetching the words of the pharisees BEYOND Scriptural TRUTH

 

[David in NJ]

We all have our ideas of understanding the scriptures then come together to discuss and test them against other scriptures so that God can reveal the truth to us

The Rule/Commandment of the LORD remains the SAME for everyone when we read, compare or speak God's words/Scripture

 

[TribulationSigns]

It depends on what exactly He was applying his words to in v. 32. Because v. 24 was all fulfilled in 70 AD before that generation passed away....they did fall by the sword and were led away captive and Jerusalem was destroyed and began to be trodden of the Gentiles from that time onward.

Classic Preterist confusion. You treat ‘that generation’ like a vague footnote, have no clue what ‘the sword’ really means, and your ‘led away captive’ sounds like a tourist trip. Which Jerusalem are you imagining? And those ‘Gentiles’—please, do enlighten us, since Scripture clearly tells a different story than your assumptions.

 

[Marty fox]

You are really streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetching the words of the pharisees BEYOND Scriptural TRUTH

How so? I quoted their own words?

If that’s a stretch then ever scripture would be a stretch in your view

 

[TribulationSigns]

We all have our ideas of understanding the scriptures then come together to discuss and test them against other scriptures so that God can reveal the truth to us

Ahem.