Are You a Carnal Christian?

[GodsGrace]

The over-spiritualized imply it if not say it outright. You know them by their fruit in denying the needs of the body OR in contemptuously treating attending to these needs as inherently sinful, aka fleshy, worldly.

One way they deny the needs of the body is to ignore those passages of Scripture that address them. For instance, Jesus did not start by saying give to God what is God's; he started by saying Give to Caesar what is Caesar's. In the same way, he did not say to first give your gift to God; he said to go make amends with a brother who is in conflict, reconcile with them first AND THEN bring your gift to God.

This soulful attention is a reflection of Creation. God did not rest first. God worked first for the furtherance of the material world. We are to do the same 6 days per week. This is why we are supposed to Sabbath 1 day per week; we aren't supposed to be all spiritual and Sabbath 6 days per week. As Paul said, those who don't work shall not eat. The over-spiritualized shutter at such harshness as justice requires.

Look where I live Wrangler....
I don't know any such people.
Italy is pretty much an atheist country.

You've made very good points.

In another post you were mentioning about watching YouTube videos.
Well, I'm here to say that I like scary movies (not horror)
and I really would fall into a depression if I couldn't take care of those things that make life worth-while,
yes...it could be watching YouTube.
Taking a trip every now and then can't hurt either!

I think we're on the same wave-length.

 

[GodsGrace]

your second sentence needs to be HE said that if we walk in the Spirit we would not be walking in THE FLESH .
you said spirit on accident .

Amigo...I reread it and I can't see what you're speaking of.
If it's important, yes, I'd like to fix it - but I don't KNOW WHAT TO FIX!

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes sir.
I certainly agree that we are not to follow gnosticism.
ANY form of gnosticism or anything else that does not agree with scripture.

The SPIRIT IS T RUTH and thus TESTIFIES ONLY TRUTH . ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
For as the FATHER IS TRUTH and is LIFE so too is the SON and all JUDGMENT has been given
unto the SON . not most , not a lot , ALL JUDGMENT .
And now a word about HE who will judge .
MY WORDS WILL BE YOUR JUDGE on the last day . HE who rejects my words
has ONE who judges HIM .
Ever wonder why it says in revelation OUTTA HIS MOUTH cometh a two edged sword .
HE even makes war , war against THOSE who rejected HIM .
BUT UNTO ALL who do recieve him , ET ERNAL LIFE . pretty simple if ya ask me .
GOD cannot lie , The SPIRIT cannot lie , JESUS cannot lie . TRUTH IS TRUTH and FROM T RUTH
cometh the words of TRUTH .
IT is man who lies , its the dark one who lies , but NOT GOD .
ITS JESUS preaching time in the building .

 

[GodsGrace]

That be the will of this god who by means of a false sensual love
has convinced many .
NO MENTION OF JESUS . the love god will gather all not in the lambs book of life
as one heart and one mind . And it wont BE UNDER GOD or HIS CHRIST
but under el dragon himself . one collective love has been sold
and it is a love that will mention DOING some good things
BUT NOT THE TRUTH . IT will not correct things contrary to GOD , TO CHRIST
it will allow leaven and only more error unto this people . For it desires the death of all .
OH its the dragon all right . Only many seem to think its GOD and HIS LOVE .
Not looking good at all my friend .
But JESUS HAS the sheep and we have overcome them for greater is HE that is in the sheep
than he that is in the world . They are of the world and therefore they hear what is of the world .
But HE who is of GOD hears Us . The SPIRIT of TR UTH , the SPIRIT of error .
And many follow the spirit of e rror and not of TRUTH .

How does a choir sing songs about Christmas - and Jesus is not mentioned in the introduction?
I really miss the churches I went to over there.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amigo...I reread it and I can't see what you're speaking of.
If it's important, yes, I'd like to fix it - but I don't KNOW WHAT TO FIX!

I'll define it but Paul already did.
He said that if we walk in the spirit we will not be walking in the spirit - and V V.
He said that if we walk in the spirit we will not be walking in the FLESH .
you said spirit . you meant to say we would not walk in the flesh

 

[amigo de christo]

How does a choir sing songs about Christmas - and Jesus is not mentioned in the introduction?
I really miss the churches I went to over there.

sit in an ecumenical church long enough , AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS .
they are decieving us my friend .
ITS now become all about reconcililng man to man , NOT MAN TO GOD .

 

[GodsGrace]

I'll define it but Paul already did.
He said that if we walk in the spirit we will not be walking in the spirit - and V V.
He said that if we walk in the spirit we will not be walking in the FLESH .
you said spirit . you meant to say we would not walk in the flesh

FIXED!
Thanks for the catch.

 

[amigo de christo]

FIXED!
Thanks for the catch.

 

[amigo de christo]

How does a choir sing songs about Christmas - and Jesus is not mentioned in the introduction?
I really miss the churches I went to over there.

This is what they do and are doing my friend .
Its become all about grouping them all together as one peoples under one god , one so called love religoin .
And they tricked this church age big time .
Its all about reconciling them all to b e as one .
And you cant have all religions , atheists and etc
merging as one , IF YA PREACH THE ONLY ONE TRUE WAY TO BE RECONCILDED TO GOD .
FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
For if one says that , the muslim , the buddist , the atheists and etc say NO ,
and we wont join . THEY HAD TO REMOVE this my friend .
JESUS WAS AND IS THE OBSTACLE IN the WAY OF THEIR BELOVED W ORLD PEACE .
HE always was . SO THEY REMOVED the divisions that would cause
conflict , TO INCLUDE not just HIS words but even HIS GOSPEL . THEY did this . THEY DO THIS NOW .
THIS is all of anti christ and the dragon who uses men
to prepare a peoples and a system fit for THE BEAST . and people cannot see this or discern it .
NO they think its love and its OF GOD . ONLY IT AINT OF GOD and HIS LOVE dont DENY TRUTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

All about the creation of a love and a god that all can c ome together as one peoples under .
And they use and do use causes and a cause that seems as a good cause .
IT was all about merging all peoples to be as one under a god , a love
and for cause that will serve a one world govt .
Only they say its for world peace n safety .
BUT HOW MUCH YA BET the things that pertain TO this so called world peace n safety
ARE NOT rather THE AGENDAS OF A ONE WORLD GOVT .
WE are all being decieved big t ime . And many who THINK they are against the one world religoin , one world govt
HAVE NO IDEA they are supporting this VERY AGENDA which came of SUCH MEN .

 

[amigo de christo]

The over-spiritualized imply it if not say it outright. You know them by their fruit in denying the needs of the body OR in contemptuously treating attending to these needs as inherently sinful, aka fleshy, worldly.

One way they deny the needs of the body is to ignore those passages of Scripture that address them. For instance, Jesus did not start by saying give to God what is God's; he started by saying Give to Caesar what is Caesar's. In the same way, he did not say to first give your gift to God; he said to go make amends with a brother who is in conflict, reconcile with them first AND THEN bring your gift to God.

This soulful attention is a reflection of Creation. God did not rest first. God worked first for the furtherance of the material world. We are to do the same 6 days per week. This is why we are supposed to Sabbath 1 day per week; we aren't supposed to be all spiritual and Sabbath 6 days per week. As Paul said, those who don't work shall not eat. The over-spiritualized shutter at such harshness as justice requires.

All about the creation of a love and a god that all can c ome together as one peoples under .
And they use and do use causes and a cause that seems as a good cause .
IT was all about merging all peoples to be as one under a god , a love
and for cause that will serve a one world govt .
Only they say its for world peace n safety .
BUT HOW MUCH YA BET the things that pertain TO this so called world peace n safety
ARE NOT rather THE AGENDAS OF A ONE WORLD GOVT .
WE are all being decieved big t ime . And many who THINK they are against the one world religoin , one world govt
HAVE NO IDEA they are supporting this VERY AGENDA which came of SUCH MEN .
ecumenical interfaith IS THEIR WORKING unto this generation . WE better all watch out and be on gaurd .

 

[JLB]

I know that in the CC the aim is to bring someone into that church....
instead it should be to bring them to Jesus.

‘That should be the goal of all churches.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Short and sweet !
Great verse that I never would have thought of.
Yes. We must rule over our sin nature...which is what causes sinful desires.

Thanks LY.

Of Being Tempted is more to the point of one who is Saved ? one will stand up to such !

Remember when the Devil came and was talking to Jesus ! what was the Devil clearly only doing ? not to mention the way that Jesus delt with the Devil ? that's what we should do !

The Devil is a no body in fact ! but for the Stain of original Sin.
The Devil can not make you Sin ! ones free will does that !

Ever watched the Devils Advocate on TV. Listen to how his dad says things carfully ! yes the show is correct.
He says, We are comming out baby !
How true.

Behold ! I send you out as sheep amongst the Wolves !

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

there are no true carnal person that can call themselves a christian, once the Holy Spirit dwells in us we become victors over the flesh and can dismiss it's callings. also i remember;
Genesis 4:7: Sin desires to control you, but you must rule over it.

Blessings G.G.

You must over come !

Gen 4 says. but you must master it. because Sin crouch at the door !

I do not see how, one could rule over it ?

All people are clearly Slaves to Sin untill they are truly born again and form that point on you learn to master such ! but to Rule over it ? come on ? it clearly does not work that way.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Salutations.....Merry Christmas

OK How do I word this?.....Spiritual and physical......Applying Christianity in the spiritual and physical and our spiritual and physical nature. As long as we have blood pumping through our veins we are physical. Our needs and wants and desires and passions and understandings are what we struggle with. With Bibles in hand we attempt to understand the spiritual and apply it to the physical. Without the spiritual there is no hope, without the physical nothing matters.

Christians have a tendency to consider our wants and desires and passions as evil......wrong thinking. The devil did not give those to us......he did not give us anything. God gave us our wants and desires and passions. Without them Adam would have never left the riverbank, he just would have kept on fishing and Eve would have been left alone to fend for herself. And the human race would have ended there, no babies and no cities. So yes without our wants and desires and passions there would be not sin, but then nothing would happen, good or bad.

So our job is to understand our wants and desires and passions. And to understand sin.....Sin is at our door and it desires to have us....Genesis 4:7 And we must master our wants and desires and passions so that sin does not creep in. The leaven in the mix, it has to be there and we must be master over it.

The Apostle Paul explained the spiritual....the meat of theology. And it is for us to apply that spiritual to our lives and let it guide our physical actions. Our thoughts and actions....the spiritual to guide our wants and desires and actions.....How do we do that? Prayer and walking with Yeshua everyday, never leaving your thoughts.

Never leaving our thoughts is the key.....for living a spiritual life.

My motto.....Be good and do good.....in short.

My Motto ? I taught my babys that was from a very young age was, to make your good better till you good is best and never never let it rest, till your good is better and your better is best and never let it rest !

 

[rvmb]

My Motto ? I taught my babys that was from a very young age was, to make your good better till you good is best and never never let it rest, till your good is better and your better is best and never let it rest !

Do you still willfully sin ?

 

[ProDeo]

This is what it boils down to: Defining someone as "carnal" is effectively characterizing how often and how hard they fall. As an engineer who writes specs, I have to ask, "How often is too often, and how hard is too hard?"

Or :

1. Easy Grace believers.

2. As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. -- Matt 13:22

3. In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. -- Hebr 12:4

 

[GodsGrace]

Of Being Tempted is more to the point of one who is Saved ? one will stand up to such !

Remember when the Devil came and was talking to Jesus ! what was the Devil clearly only doing ? not to mention the way that Jesus delt with the Devil ? that's what we should do !

The Devil is a no body in fact ! but for the Stain of original Sin.
The Devil can not make you Sin ! ones free will does that !

Ever watched the Devils Advocate on TV. Listen to how his dad says things carfully ! yes the show is correct.
He says, We are comming out baby !
How true.

Behold ! I send you out as sheep amongst the Wolves !

Agreed.
Yes,,,the devil has to be DISMISSED at the time of temptation.

A carnal Christian (again, a contradiction in terms) will not do this but will continue to live IN THE FLESH....
which means carnal.

 

[amigo de christo]

Agreed.
Yes,,,the devil has to be DISMISSED at the time of temptation.

A carnal Christian (again, a contradiction in terms) will not do this but will continue to live IN THE FLESH....
which means carnal.

If a man , woman or child who professes to Beleive on Christ
and yet lives in their sin
WHERE IS THE SPIRIT . If one has NOT the SPIRIT of CHRIST they are none of HIS
and if one has the SPIRIT then the body is dead because of sin .
He or she who walks in daily sin , WHERE IS THEIR CONVICTION , and why do they double down
on justifying sin . That is not a christain . That is lip service with a heart far from HIM .
I should know , i was once one of the worst my friend .

The beauty of GOD , of HIS HOLINESS
sure do change a heart . Worship GOD in the beauty of holiness by THE HOLY SPIRIT given
to the beleiver .
Where is the SPIRIT . Ye shall know them by their fruits .
The fruit of the wicked is TO sin
The Fruit of the SPIRIT is in all goodness , righteousness and TRUTH
proving what is acceptable TO GOD , not to this ever changing world .

 

[mailmandan]

If a man , woman or child who professes to Beleive on Christ
and yet lives in their sin
WHERE IS THE SPIRIT . If one has NOT the SPIRIT of CHRIST they are none of HIS
and if one has the SPIRIT then the body is dead because of sin .
He or she who walks in daily sin , WHERE IS THEIR CONVICTION , and why do they double down
on justifying sin . That is not a christain . That is lip service with a heart far from HIM .
I should know , i was once one of the worst my friend .

The beauty of GOD , of HIS HOLINESS
sure do change a heart . Worship GOD in the beauty of holiness by THE HOLY SPIRIT given
to the beleiver .
Where is the SPIRIT . Ye shall know them by their fruits .
The fruit of the wicked is TO sin
The Fruit of the SPIRIT is in all goodness , righteousness and TRUTH
proving what is acceptable TO GOD , not to this ever changing world .

There are genuine Christians, and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers, and it's not hard to find them mixed together throughout scripture, in various churches today and on various Christian forum sites.