A Challenge

[quietthinker]

Yes, I do not know. I think we either got the bodily resurrection wrong or we are missing something about it.

The supposed future bodily resurrection is something I do not understand. Even on a technical level, it does not seem to make much sense. Our bodies dissolve and return to the cycle, our bodies are not individual regarding the elements, but shared, made of the bodies of others.

Could it be that the assumptions we have made about what happens to us when we die could be in error?

 

[HealthyShape]

Could it be that the assumptions we have made about what happens to us when we die could be in error?

Hardly. The life after the bodily death is quite clear in the New Testament.

 

[David in NJ]

I'd say it's your misunderstanding of what the bible is saying, David

Well, knowing you = of course you would

 

[David in NJ]

I'd say it's your misunderstanding of what the bible is saying, David

Knowing you, i would not expect anything less then your disapproval of Truth

 

[quietthinker]

Well, knowing you = of course you would

Imagine the frustration Jesus experienced when the view of those who knew they 'knew' was impassable.

 

[David in NJ]

Imagine the frustration Jesus experienced when the view of those who knew they 'knew' was impassable.

That couldn't possibly be you................................or could it?

“Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul.
Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

"
The rich man also died and was buried.
And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’

 

[quietthinker]

That couldn't possibly be you................................or could it?

“Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul.
Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

"
The rich man also died and was buried.
And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’

I guess the word 'destroy' to you means not destroy but rather being cognisant of torment forever.
I guess it also means that the punch line of the Lazarus story you quoted needs ignoring and an ever burning hell theology made out of a story meant to illustrate something entirely different.

 

[David in NJ]

I guess the word 'destroy' to you means not destroy but rather being cognisant of torment forever.
I guess it also means that the punch line of the Lazarus story you quoted needs ignoring and an ever burning hell theology made out of a story meant to illustrate something entirely different.

"Imagine the frustration Jesus experienced when the view of those who knew they 'knew' was impassable."

 

[quietthinker]

"Imagine the frustration Jesus experienced when the view of those who knew they 'knew' was impassable."

...a convenient deflection for you David to avoid looking closer at the Lazarus story, ie to take the 'punch line' into serious consideration.

 

[quietthinker]

@David in NJ
Do you really think Jesus was referencing Moses and the Prophets writing for a theology on hell? If so, I have never read anything remotely familiar.

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ
Do you really think Jesus was referencing Moses and the Prophets writing for a theology on hell? If so, I have never read anything remotely familiar.

Dwell on these words of JESUS = Matthew 25:37-41

Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[quietthinker]

Dwell on these words of JESUS = Matthew 25:37-41

Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

I guess you have fed the hungry, given the thirsty to drink, taken in strangers, clothed the naked and visited the sick in prison!

 

[shepherdsword]

When Jesus died upon the cross of Calvary, was this act a full and final settlement of the debt we owe due to our sin? In other words, has the full redemption price been paid, and what was that price?

This is a good question. I have a follow up. When we are saved and born again are we as holy as we will ever be?

 

[HealthyShape]

This is a good question. I have a follow up. When we are saved and born again are we as holy as we will ever be?

In whose eyes?

 

[rvmb]

I guess you have fed the hungry, given the thirsty to drink, taken in strangers, clothed the naked and visited the sick in prison!

Ask him whether he has ever housed a homeless stranger in his own home where he lives >> "love your neighbor as yourself" !!

 

[David in NJ]

I guess you have fed the hungry, given the thirsty to drink, taken in strangers, clothed the naked and visited the sick in prison!

i sure hope so
Never been to an actual prison

 

[amigo de christo]

That couldn't possibly be you................................or could it?

“Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul.
Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

"
The rich man also died and was buried.
And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’

and this right here is the KEY .
For many beleive as do a child they are the ones on the right path .
But have no idea the path they are on has led them only farther and farther into darkness .
The key is , BRING THE SCRIPTURES
and who so ever twists that , THEY ON the wrong path .
For we were to FOLLOW CHRIST , not men , and if one c ontradicts HIS WORDS
they DO NOT FOLLOW HIM but rather those who twist such words
and do so unto ......................................THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION .
NO man can call GOD a liar , Refuse to repent , only continuing day by day to call HIM a liar
WHO wont find himself in the lake of fire .
AND if one denies HIS WORDS , OH THEY DO DENY HIIM . MY WORDS will be eour judge on the last day .

 

[amigo de christo]

i sure hope so
Never been to an actual prison

You wanna know what i find so devastating for many .
While they will remind one to do the good works , like visting the poor , feeding the poor
MAN DO THEY DENY Many other THINGS JESUS said to do .
Talk about its all in vain . And i do mean IN VAIN .
for many will outright contradict His words , even approving certain sins
EVEN approving this unbelief k oran kissing budda statue kissing broad path of unbeleif
as though it were and is the LOVE OF GOD HIMSELF .
Believe me when i say
ITS true that faith without works is dead
BUT IF ONE HAS NOT FAITH IN CHRIST , their works , no matter how they gave to the poor
WILL NOT SAVE THEM . ITS ALL in vain .
And yet i see a love religion doing just that . Oh feed the poor they say , BUT SHUT THINE MOUTH about JESUS .
OH visit the sick , But SHUT UP about any sins , and more so they even hold r ainbows
and honor sins . AS IF GOD be pleased with that .
OH ITS ALL IN VAIN and the double minded man IS unstable in all His ways .
They hate the good and love the evil . T hey throw far behind them the very words of GOD
in favor of speeches that serve the flesh and lusts of men .
THE very gospel is abandoned and done so under the guise of what They THINK is LOVE and oF GOD .
But boy has it made a path so large to GOD it includes anyone , cept perhaps those who DO HOLD A BIBLE and do correct .
Those are known as haters , even called haters of GOD , of OVE , of humanity . AINT that something .
What a delusion has come upon this world and much of christendom to merge it as one
to the day OF THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION . to the day OF ARMEGEDDON .
Only they think its the path to peace n safety .

 

[amigo de christo]

i sure hope so
Never been to an actual prison

Verily verily i say unto thee
that many are still in prison . the prison of death , of bondage of sin , of unbeleif .
And worse much of christendom no longer shines the light and even preaches the true gospel ,
by which if a man do hear and beleive and had FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST
would have been saved .
Many oh many there be in wool which have led this people
Not out of bondage , not out of prison
BUT ENSURED THEY WILL NEVER GET OUT . JESUS has been DENIED .
And can no man be freed from the power of darkness and of satan ,
LEST BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST . And he darn sure aint the minstir of sin . that jesus cannot save .

 

[Brakelite]

This is a good question. I have a follow up. When we are saved and born again are we as holy as we will ever be?

In one sense, yes. Spiritually, God looks upon us as if we had never sinned. Through the death of Christ and the shedding of blood, the just requirements of the law is satisfied. Thus we have our legal license or immigration papers to enter the kingdom of God signed and sealed. That is what we call justification.

However, though legal immigrants, we must now become assimilated into kingdom society. We need to receive the mind of Christ. To think like Him. To behave like Him practically. To exercise kingdom principles toward others. Love. Empathy. Compassion. Doing unto others as we would have others do to us. Learning a life of obedience. In this way we gain fitness for the kingdom. We receive power not just to be immigrants, but to become children. Naturalized citizens.