Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

[Hiddenthings]

haha Hidden, of course nobody except you has such highly developed morality.

Is this being said because you feel you lack such honesty, or is it a cheap swipe meant to gain some sense of self-ascendancy? Either way, most would agree that any believer can profess to hold a pure gospel; the real question is whether you (and I) have sought the Lord deeply enough to know that what you hold is the true, original gospel.

One thing is clear: doing so requires going back beyond the later theological developments that are well documented in history.

Who here has done this?

 

[amigo de christo]

It's hard to find such honesty in this forum amigo.

The only way to confirm a "true" and "original" Gospel is to discard everything known and approach the record without bias.

Who can do this?

Its real easy and very simple actually to discern and confirm the one true gospel .
OPEN BIBLE .
Disregaurding men who twisted it . disregaurd THEIR man made doctrine .
The gospel of YE MUST BELEIVE in HIM is real clear .
That GOD rose HIM from the dead and confess Him by mouth . PRETTY simple friend .
Now if one is following another jesus that contradicts HIS words and etc
THEN that jesus cannot save them .
Jesus aint in the business of accepting and overlooking sins and UNBELEIF .
But it darn sure seems this so called ecumeincal gospel SURE DOES .
Korans have been kisssed , lies have been told . Sins are overlooked and some sins even accepted
as well as UNBELEIF . THAT AINT GOD , AINT CHRIST , AND IT d arn sure aint HIS LOVE .
SO the solution is real simple .
INTO the bible and let us be refreshed and a learning THE TRUTH . cause we got fleecers all about us now .

 

[amigo de christo]

It's hard to find such honesty in this forum amigo.

The only way to confirm a "true" and "original" Gospel is to discard everything known and approach the record without bias.

Who can do this?

a sheep knows this for on the heart it has been planted by GOD .
And sheep , a sheep feeds only upon the words of TRUTH .
Bible time in the house . GOD is with his sheep , CHRIST JESUS leads them and does guide them
and their book BE THE BIBLE from which a man cannot pry them out of it .
TRUTH is loved by sheep . FOR GOD has planted HIS LOVE upon their hearts
and that LOVE PUTS HIM , THUS HIS CHRIST , FIRST above all upon their heart
and then to love their neighbor as theirself .
And if a man loveth not the Words of GOD , of CHRIST
well HE dont LOVE THE GOD WHO INSPIRED THEM WORDS .
He loveth a lie , NOT TRUTH . NO shoes anyone wants to be in on the day of the LORD .
For he who loved and made a lie , LAKE OF FIRE .
but many sure do seem to love this broad path , sin accepting , unbeleif accepting god THEY THINK IS GOD and HIS LOVE .
But take note that said god , NOT GOD . OH yeah satan can wear wool too as can his m instirs . so watch out .

 

[amigo de christo]

All people can be saved but not all people will be saved.

Your "cherry picking" antics will not change this reality and only hide from you the depth of His Wisdom in Christ Jesus.

and let who so ever will come and drink of the waters of life freely . OH yes its an open call to all .
A free offering for all . But as you know
many love the darkness and will not come to the Light lest their deeds be corrected , reproved .
SO correct you are my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Is this being said because you feel you lack such honesty, or is it a cheap swipe meant to gain some sense of self-ascendancy? Either way, most would agree that any believer can profess to hold a pure gospel; the real question is whether you (and I) have sought the Lord deeply enough to know that what you hold is the true, original gospel.

One thing is clear: doing so requires going back beyond the later theological developments that are well documented in history.

Who here has done this?

By grace i know i have . Why ya think i been also warning by grace about another jesus and another gospel .
And to beware any jesus that accepts any sin or unbeleif . cause that jesus AINT JESUS
and they who come to such a jesus , well lets just
say their faith is LIP SERVICE but heart be far from HIM .
It is bible time yet again for this people . You would be amazed
at how simple and pure things are and were . ITS MEN that made a mess of things.
To the trenches one and to the trenches all . THE LORD HE IS GOD .
ALL judgement has been given unto the SON . not most , not nearly all , ALL JUDGMENT
has THE FATHER GIVEN TO THE SON . HE WILL BE THE JUDGE OF THE QUICK and THE DEAD .
ON HIS day the sheep shall rejoice
On HIS day the goats will wail .
To deny THE CHRIST OF GOD is a second death sentence .
And if one denies His words ...............THEY DO DENY HIM .
FOR by HIS WORDS shall men be judged .
HE who hears and rejects my words
HAS ONE that JUDGES HIM .
MY WORDS will be HIS JUDGE on the last day . SO Lets not heed men who t wist and omit them words any longer .
Lets learn the pure and holy , the unadulterated words of TRUTH

 

[Marvelloustime]

By grace i know i have . Why ya think i been also warning by grace about another jesus and another gospel .
And to beware any jesus that accepts any sin or unbeleif . cause that jesus AINT JESUS
and they who come to such a jesus , well lets just
say their faith is LIP SERVICE but heart be far from HIM .
It is bible time yet again for this people . You would be amazed
at how simple and pure things are and were . ITS MEN that made a mess of things.
To the trenches one and to the trenches all . THE LORD HE IS GOD .
ALL judgement has been given unto the SON . not most , not nearly all , ALL JUDGMENT
has THE FATHER GIVEN TO THE SON . HE WILL BE THE JUDGE OF THE QUICK and THE DEAD .
ON HIS day the sheep shall rejoice
On HIS day the goats will wail .
To deny THE CHRIST OF GOD is a second death sentence .
And if one denies His words ...............THEY DO DENY HIM .
FOR by HIS WORDS shall men be judged .
HE who hears and rejects my words
HAS ONE that JUDGES HIM .
MY WORDS will be HIS JUDGE on the last day . SO Lets not heed men who t wist and omit them words any longer .
Lets learn the pure and holy , the unadulterated words of TRUTH

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

and let who so ever will come and drink of the waters of life freely . OH yes its an open call to all .
A free offering for all . But as you know
many love the darkness and will not come to the Light lest their deeds be corrected , reproved .
SO correct you are my friend .

@amigo de christo

 

[St. SteVen]

@amigo de christo
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I've asked you repeatedly to not troll my topics.
When will you stop?

 

[amigo de christo]

I've asked you repeatedly to not troll my topics.
When will you stop?

you do nothing but come to plant doubts .
The scriptures expose you my friend . Perhaps that be why they bother you so much .
You like beleiving in a gospel of universalism
BUT the scrips prove beyond a doubt the only gospel IS the one that says YOU MUST ABSOLUTELY BELEIVE .
You and others had rather beleive muslims , hindus and who knows what else
gonna be just fine in the end . BUT THAT AINT what JESUS SAID AT ALL .
As he even warned His own about the dire dire day of their damantion for not beleiving ON HIM .
You dont like them reminders do you . Rather than throwing this people a
universal line , that saves none but damns all . TRY THROWING THE TRUE GOSPEL .
CAUSE I KNOW JESUS saves and to be saved ONE MUST Absolutely BELEIVE ON HIM .

 

[St. SteVen]

you do nothing but come to plant doubts .
The scriptures expose you my friend . Perhaps that be why they bother you so much .
You like beleiving in a gospel of universalism
BUT the scrips prove beyond a doubt the only gospel IS the one that says YOU MUST ABSOLUTELY BELEIVE .
You and others had rather beleive muslims , hindus and who knows what else
gonna be just fine in the end . BUT THAT AINT what JESUS SAID AT ALL .
As he even warned His own about the dire dire day of their damantion for not beleiving ON HIM .
You dont like them reminders do you . Rather than throwing this people a
universal line , that saves none but damns all . TRY THROWING THE TRUE GOSPEL .
CAUSE I KNOW JESUS saves and to be saved ONE MUST Absolutely BELEIVE ON HIM .

You are trolling as well.
Do you have anything to contribute to the topic?

 

[Hiddenthings]

You are trolling as well.
Do you have anything to contribute to the topic?

Those who attempt to do so are either ignored or cut off by yet another link to a different topic. I doubt you have ever witnessed truth taking root in your threads (and heart), because you do not listen and you are unwilling to enter into the Word of God.

You could not enter Acts 2:23 or Isaiah 53:10, two passages that are profoundly connected, yet will you ever truly know this?

 

[Jack]

Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?​

Because it's Satanic!

 

[St. SteVen]

Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?​

Because it's Satanic!

Your whole Bible view is satanic?
Surprised you would admit that. Shocking. (sort of)

 

[Jack]

Your whole Bible view is satanic?
Surprised you would admit that. Shocking. (sort of)

Then why did Jesus preach EVERLASTING Hell Fire several times?

 

[Taken]

This is the problem.
As I said in post #4...

There are three biblical doctrines of the final judgement.
- Damnationism (forever burning hell)
- Annihilationism (complete destruction of the wicked)
- Christian Universalism (Ultimate Redemption of humankind)

All three views are biblical and contradictory.

In this topic, I am asking that Christian Universalism be given its due respect.

Biblical in Fact…………………... Yes
Contradictory in Theory…….. Yes

Context…Applicability… Regarding WHO specific establishes TRUTH.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
This is the problem.
As I said in post #4...

There are three biblical doctrines of the final judgement.
- Damnationism (forever burning hell)
- Annihilationism (complete destruction of the wicked)
- Christian Universalism (Ultimate Redemption of humankind)

All three views are biblical and contradictory.

In this topic, I am asking that Christian Universalism be given its due respect.

Biblical in Fact…………………... Yes
Contradictory in Theory…….. Yes

Context…Applicability… Regarding WHO specific establishes TRUTH.

Contradictory in Theory?

How do you harmonize a forever burning hell, the complete destruction of the wicked, and the Ultimate Redemption of humankind?
These biblical facts are contradictory.

 

[Taken]

St. SteVen said:
This is the problem.
As I said in post #4...

There are three biblical doctrines of the final judgement.
- Damnationism (forever burning hell)
- Annihilationism (complete destruction of the wicked)
- Christian Universalism (Ultimate Redemption of humankind)

All three views are biblical and contradictory.

In this topic, I am asking that Christian Universalism be given its due respect.

Contradictory in Theory?

How do you harmonize a forever burning hell, the complete destruction of the wicked, and the Ultimate Redemption of humankind?
These biblical facts are contradictory.

WHO…? Applicability…

*Can be the … The Damned?
Forever Separated from God? Yes.
Who? All/ Any Against God? Yes.
….an unsaved soul of man? Yes
…a dead body of man? Yes
…a unquickened (dead) spirit of man? Yes
…an Angel (spirit) forever alive AND Against God.

*Can be the … Annihilated / Destroyed?
…spirits born of Gods Seed?
No
…human (terrestrial) body’s of man?
Yes
…living souls (in or departed out of a man)? Yes
…natural spirits (ie truth in a man’s heart)? Yes.

*Ultimate Redemption…?
All humans OFFERED Redemption?
Yes.
All humans CHOOSE Redemption?
No.
All humans RECEIVE Redemption?
No.

NOT SavED and SavED are polar opposites.
That can apply to ONE man, at different times.
That can never both apply to ONE man at the SAME TIME.
Once SavED IS applied to A man, it can NEVER NOT apply to “that” man.

A Naturally CREATED (of Dust) and MADE Alive (soul) human man CAN Once and Forever Become MADE a Forever Living being (Saint)….
Or
Natural body, natural spirit, and soul … become made (lifeless), Dead, Destroyed, Forgotten.

Context…regarding the whole ( body, soul, spirit) of man… with or without God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[St. SteVen]

*Ultimate Redemption…?
All humans OFFERED Redemption?
Yes.
All humans CHOOSE Redemption?
No.
All humans RECEIVE Redemption?
No.

Everyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4

 

[Taken]

Everyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4

Yes, fully aware…
My point… is established IN Scripture…
Who, What, When, Why…. And The CAVEAT…
“IF”

“IF”….an individual DOES “THIS”…
Expect “This” Consequence.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jack]

St. SteVen said:
This is the problem.
As I said in post #4...

There are three biblical doctrines of the final judgement.
- Damnationism (forever burning hell)
- Annihilationism (complete destruction of the wicked)
- Christian Universalism (Ultimate Redemption of humankind)

Not "biblical"!

All three views are biblical and contradictory.

In this topic, I am asking that Christian Universalism be given its due respect.

Christians don't respect Doctrines of demons!

Contradictory in Theory?

How do you harmonize a forever burning hell, the complete destruction of the wicked, and the Ultimate Redemption of humankind?
These biblical facts are contradictory.

Not "biblical"! Satanic!