ANTI-Paul live, well & going strong

[rvmb]

Again, what I happen to be doing doesn't change whether anything that I've said is true.

Matt 25:38-40
Have you ever visited a stranger in prison or taken one home with you till they were ok ?
If not, how have you repented from that ?

 

[Davy]

It is important to recognize that the Bible can speak against obeying God for an incorrect reason without speaking against obeying God. If Paul had been speaking against circumcision for any reason, then Galatians 5:2 would mean that he caused Christ to be of no value to Timothy when he had him circumcised right after the Jerusalem Council and Christ is of no value to rough 70% of the men in the US. In Acts 15:1, men from Judea where wanting to require Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, however, that was never the reason for why God commanded circumcision, so the Jerusalem Council upheld God's law by correctly ruling against requiring circumcision for an incorrect reason. In Exodus 12:48, Gentiles who want to eat of the Passover lamb are required to become circumcised, so the Jerusalem Council should not be interpreted as ruling against Gentiles correctly acting in accordance with what God has commanded as if they had the authority to countermand God. If they had been speaking against obeying what God has commanded, then we should consider them to be false prophets according to Deuteronomy 13 and disregard what they said.


Either Acts 15:19-21 contains an exhaustive list of what is required for mature believers or it does not, so it would be contradictory to treat it as being an exhaustive list in order to limit which laws Gentiles should follow while also treating it as being a non-exhaustive list by taking the position that there are obviously other laws that Gentiles should follow. It was not given as an exhaustive list for mature believers but rather it was given as a list intended to avoid making things too difficult for new believers, which they excused by saying that they would continue to learn about how to obey Moses by hearing him taught each Sabbath in the synagogues.


Agreed. In Acts 10:10-14, God did not rebuke Peter for referring to what he had made clean as being unclean, but only rebuked him for referring to what He had made clean as being common and Peter interpreted his vision on three occasions as being in regard to incorrectly identifying Gentiles, yet his vision is commonly misinterpreted as if God had rebuked him for referring to what He had made clean as being unclean and as if the point of the vision was that we can now eat unclean animals.

In 1 Timothy 4:1-5, Paul described what he was speaking against as being the doctrine of demons, yet these verses are commonly misinterpreted as if Paul had been speaking against the holy, righteous, and good commands of God. I don't use the charge of blasphemy lightly but if anything is close to blasphemy then it would be suggesting that the holy, righteous, and good commands of God are the doctrine of demons.


In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the liberty that we have in Christ is the freedom from sin, not the freedom to do what God has revealed through His law to be sin.

I refuse to address your crazy... absolutism and legalism that is of the flesh, and omits any real understanding by The Spirit.

 

[Soyeong]

I refuse to address your crazy... absolutism and legalism that is of the flesh, and omits any real understanding by The Spirit.

What did I say that you consider to be absolutism or legalism? If the position that followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded is legalism, then legalism is good, but that is not what I think it means.

God has not commanded anything that is not in accordance with walking in the Spirit, but rather the Law of God is His instructions for how to be a doer of His character traits and His character traits are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it (Ezekiel 36:26-27). In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God. In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted the desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are contrary to the Spirit are also contrary to the Law of God while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's character that His law was given to teach us how to embody. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow that can be equivalently described either as walking in the Spirit or as walking in obedience to the Law of God.

 

[saved by grace 101]

What did I say that you consider to be absolutism or legalism? If the position that followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded is legalism, then legalism is good, but that is not what I think it means.

God has not commanded anything that is not in accordance with walking in the Spirit, but rather the Law of God is His instructions for how to be a doer of His character traits and His character traits are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it (Ezekiel 36:26-27). In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God. In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted the desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are contrary to the Spirit are also contrary to the Law of God while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's character that His law was given to teach us how to embody. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow that can be equivalently described either as walking in the Spirit or as walking in obedience to the Law of God.

The problem you have-as I see it, is what you insist to others in order to be righteous before God, is not the test you set yourself.

If I asked you if a person could be righteous before God if they failed to obey the Ten Commandments for example I’m sure you would respond ’no’ And yet, assuredly you yourself transgress those commands. Paul stated they are the letter that kills the ministry of death and condemnation. You stress the importance of walking as Christ did, and according to his teaching, but if you were honest, you would admit you do not even try and obey all of Jesus commands in the gospels. And yet, I’m sure you believe you are in a righteous/justified/saved state before God.

So, if you can be righteous in God’s sight, though you transgress the TC, and do not even try and obey all of Jesus commands, why cannot anyone else be?

The real question should be, do we in our hearts want to live as God desires us to live, do we grieve when we fail?

Just to make statements requiring obedience to the law to be saved/righteous, without admitting faliure to obey the law oneself is dangerous ground to be on, scripturally speaking, according to Jesus words anyway.

 

[Soyeong]

The problem you have-as I see it, is what you insist to others in order to be righteous before God, is not the test you set yourself.

If I asked you if a person could be righteous before God if they failed to obey the Ten Commandments for example I’m sure you would respond ’no’ And yet, assuredly you yourself transgress those commands. Paul stated they are the letter that kills the ministry of death and condemnation. You stress the importance of walking as Christ did, and according to his teaching, but if you were honest, you would admit you do not even try and obey all of Jesus commands in the gospels. And yet, I’m sure you believe you are in a righteous/justified/saved state before God.

So, if you can be righteous in God’s sight, though you transgress the TC, and do not even try and obey all of Jesus commands, why cannot anyone else be?

The real question should be, do we in our hearts want to live as God desires us to live, do we grieve when we fail?

Just to make statements requiring obedience to the law to be saved/righteous, without admitting faliure to obey the law oneself is dangerous ground to be on, scripturally speaking, according to Jesus words anyway.

The issue of what I happen to be doing is independent of the issue of whether what I am saying is true, so even if were the biggest hypocrite in the world who was actively trying to commit as much sin as possible, then that would just mean that I would need to repent, not that I was wrong about the fact that followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded. We can’t earn our justification, righteousness, or salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to God’s law (Romans 4:1-5 because it was never given as a way of earning those things, so the reason why we should obey It has absolutely nothing to do with trying to be good enough to earn those things. Paul also affirmed in Romans 2:13 that only the doers of the law will be declared righteous, so those who are not doers of it will not be declared righteous and there is a reason why our righteousness requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to be good enough to earn it as a wage, namely faith insofar as the faith by which we are declared righteous also upholds God’s law (Romans 3:28-31).

 

[saved by grace 101]

The issue of what I happen to be doing is independent of the issue of whether what I am saying is true, so even if were the biggest hypocrite in the world who was actively trying to commit as much sin as possible, then that would just mean that I would need to repent, not that I was wrong about the fact that followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded. We can’t earn our justification, righteousness, or salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to God’s law (Romans 4:1-5 because it was never given as a way of earning those things, so the reason why we should obey It has absolutely nothing to do with trying to be good enough to earn those things. Paul also affirmed in Romans 2:13 that only the doers of the law will be declared righteous, so those who are not doers of it will not be declared righteous and there is a reason why our righteousness requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to be good enough to earn it as a wage, namely faith insofar as the faith by which we are declared righteous also upholds God’s law (Romans 3:28-31).

You may say what you happen to be doing is independent of the issue. However, to repeat, Im sure you believe you are in a saved/righteous state before God, and yet, at the same time you transgress the ten commandments and do not even try to obey every command of Christ in the gospels. So according to what you write concerning this subject, how can you believe you are in a righteous state before God? That is the issue that interests me

 

[saved by grace 101]

The issue of what I happen to be doing is independent of the issue of whether what I am saying is true, so even if were the biggest hypocrite in the world who was actively trying to commit as much sin as possible, then that would just mean that I would need to repent, not that I was wrong about the fact that followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded. We can’t earn our justification, righteousness, or salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to God’s law (Romans 4:1-5 because it was never given as a way of earning those things, so the reason why we should obey It has absolutely nothing to do with trying to be good enough to earn those things. Paul also affirmed in Romans 2:13 that only the doers of the law will be declared righteous, so those who are not doers of it will not be declared righteous and there is a reason why our righteousness requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to be good enough to earn it as a wage, namely faith insofar as the faith by which we are declared righteous also upholds God’s law (Romans 3:28-31).

BTW

Though I could address your individual texts, there is a larger picture to look at here. I have come across many over the years with your views. A person is not righteous by obeying the law, but those in a righteous state will obey the law. They will live as Christ taught/his commands, they will obey the Ten Commandments etc.

But here’s the thing, every person I have ever come across who states that transgresses the ten commandments and doesn’t try to obey each and every command of Christ. So what can we deduce from this? Well assuming the people who tie law keeping to being righteous before God are sincere, we can therefore deduce no one is in a righteous state before God, if their views are correct, for they fail their own tests. The only other possibility is, people with your views do not understand the biblical message.

 

[Soyeong]

BTW

Though I could address your individual texts, there is a larger picture to look at here. I have come across many over the years with your views. A person is not righteous by obeying the law, but those in a righteous state will obey the law. They will live as Christ taught/his commands, they will obey the Ten Commandments etc.

But here’s the thing, every person I have ever come across who states that transgresses the ten commandments and doesn’t try to obey each and every command of Christ. So what can we deduce from this? Well assuming the people who tie law keeping to being righteous before God are sincere, we can therefore deduce no one is in a righteous state before God, if their views are correct, for they fail their own tests. The only other possibility is, people with your views do not understand the biblical message.

Again, we can't earn our righteousness even as the result of having perfect obedience to God's law, so someone not having perfect obedience to God's law does not mean that they are not righteous.

The issue of the way to attain a character trait is different from the issue of what it means to have a character trait. The one and only way to attain a character trait is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough works in order to earn it as the result but what it means to have a character trait is to be a doer of works that embody that trait. For example, the only way for someone to become courageous is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough courageous works in order to earn it as the result, but it would be contradictory for someone to become courageous apart from becoming a doer of courageous works, and the same is true for righteousness (1 John 3:7) and every other character trait. This is why the faith by which we are declared righteous apart from works also upholds God's law (Romans 3:28-31). In other words, we become someone who has faith, someone who will be declared righteous, and someone who is a doer of God's law all at the same time and anyone who is not one of those is also not the others, but we do not earn our righteousness as the result of our works.

While it is true that Abraham was declared righteous because he believed God (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he was a doer of righteous works because he believed God (Genesis 18:19), and that he obeyed the command to offer Isaac because he believed God (Hebrews 11:17), so the faith by which he was declared righteous was also embodied through his works, but he did not earn his righteousness as the result of this works (Romans 4:1-5). In James 2:21-24, it quotes Genesis 15:6 to support saying that Abraham was declared righteous by his works when he offered Isaac, that his faith was active along with his works, and his faith completed his works, so he was declared righteous by his works insofar as they embodied his faith but not insofar as they were earning it as a wage.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Again, we can't earn our righteousness even as the result of having perfect obedience to God's law, so someone not having perfect obedience to God's law does not mean that they are not righteous.

The issue of the way to attain a character trait is different from the issue of what it means to have a character trait. The one and only way to attain a character trait is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough works in order to earn it as the result but what it means to have a character trait is to be a doer of works that embody that trait. For example, the only way for someone to become courageous is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough courageous works in order to earn it as the result, but it would be contradictory for someone to become courageous apart from becoming a doer of courageous works, and the same is true for righteousness (1 John 3:7) and every other character trait. This is why the faith by which we are declared righteous apart from works also upholds God's law (Romans 3:28-31). In other words, we become someone who has faith, someone who will be declared righteous, and someone who is a doer of God's law all at the same time and anyone who is not one of those is also not the others, but we do not earn our righteousness as the result of our works.

While it is true that Abraham was declared righteous because he believed God (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he was a doer of righteous works because he believed God (Genesis 18:19), and that he obeyed the command to offer Isaac because he believed God (Hebrews 11:17), so the faith by which he was declared righteous was also embodied through his works, but he did not earn his righteousness as the result of this works (Romans 4:1-5). In James 2:21-24, it quotes Genesis 15:6 to support saying that Abraham was declared righteous by his works when he offered Isaac, that his faith was active along with his works, and his faith completed his works, so he was declared righteous by his works insofar as they embodied his faith but not insofar as they were earning it as a wage.

OK, I read what you wrote, but here's the problem. In reality, or in your reality, you believe a person can be in a righteous state though they transgress the Ten Commandments and do not try and obey each and every command of Christ. But that doesn't come across from the general statements you make on this subject. Speaking in general terms, I've always found those who stress law keeping live with only a watered down version of the law in their own lives, they do not have, or are not convicted of the pristene level the law is set at. A few examples concerning the Ten Commandments:

If you ever put anything before God in your life you transgress the Ten Commandments.

If you erect any graven image in your mind you transgress them.

If you dwell on any impure thought you transgress them.

If you tell even a little fib about another you transgress them.

If you desire ANYTHING of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household you transgress them.

Remember the wording: Thou shalt NOT, no wiggle room for error, perfectly obey them or stand guilty before them.

Then there’s the second greatest commandment, and Jesus teaching concerning it. We all fall woefully short where they are concerned. And we mustn’t make the mistake of the pharisees, they believed in outward appearance, what went on, on the inside did not matter. Jesus pointed out in no uncertain terms it did matter. And Paul used the example of what went on, on the inside of man as to why he could not be righteous by obeying the law.

The bible speaks of sin in two different ways. Bearing that in mind, we are all sinners, for we will always be guilty when compared to the letter of the law.

My advice would be, explain all of this when you say believers will be doers of the law, and that shows they have righteousness by faith. As Jesus said:

The measure you use to judge others will be used to judge you Matt7:2

 

[NayborBear]

Keeping God's law about flesh circumcision was specifically the doctrine that Paul and Barnabas went against among the Jewish Pharisee converts, per Acts 15. So the Jewish converts did... see Paul as not keeping the law. The matter was then brought up to the Apostles in Jerusalem, and they agreed that the Gentiles should only keep the following things...

Acts 15:28-29
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
KJV

meats offered to idols = spiritually tainted by paganism.
from blood = we are not to eat the blood per God's law.
from things strangled = will mean eating the blood along with the meat
from fornication = from sexual intercourse outside legal marriage to include adultery.

It is also obvious that as Christians we also are to not be guilty of murder, perjury, immoral behavior, basically the things in God's law that Apostle Paul covered in 1 Timothy 1, 1 Corinthians 6, and Galatians 5.

And Apostle Paul never... made any claim that all foods are now made clean through Christ and prayer. Those who claim that have misinterpreted what God showed Peter with the blanket of unclean animals of Acts 10, and 1 Timothy 4:3-5. Paul specifically said, "... meats, which God hath created to be received...". That means the clean meats on God's healthy list of Deuteronomy 14; those meats God created for man to eat, and have mostly to do with animals that eat grain, and not as scavengers God created to clean the earth.

Our Liberty in Christ allows us to eat as necessary, meaning if we are invited to dinner by those who eat outside God's health law, to not complain, but eat what is put before us. Paul also said whatever is sold in the shambles (market), that eat. In other words, eat to live, and if catfish is all you got, then eat to live, but know that catfish is a scavenger fish, and unclean (even when farm raised, because it eats poisons from the bottom of the waters.)

Acts 15:28-29
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
KJV
Can you see by this here that it seemed good? Not that it was good! It's as if the remaining Disciples didn't even have faith in the capability of any heathen, or uncircumcised ones! And this here was the beginning of the glass ceiling that exists to this day!
And? To be honest? At that time? It probably was a good thing!
But, that?
Was 2,000 years ago people!
So, what has transpired in 2,000 er so years?
James, a SERVANT of God AND of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Looks like James must have had a little insight into the future from He who KNOWS the end from the beginning eh?
Especially considering the lost tribes of Israel!
And the migration initiated by One of God's Holy Servant's Jeremiah to the further reaches of present day Scotland, Ireland, and England and (eventually) these United States!
Now! All these years, mixing, marrying, warring, and being warred upon? Comes the edict from Constantine in the forcing the merger of those uncircumcised and not converted INTO those also uncircumcised yet converted into incorporating their heathenish ways, habits, traditions, and (sadly), celebrations! (and the beat down goes on...Oh? Sing it Sonny! :) ).
And this friends and neighbors?
Is where the term legalism stemmed from!
One would think? That after 2,000 er so years?
We can do better then that!
No?

 

[Davy]

Acts 15:28-29
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
KJV
Can you see by this here that it seemed good? Not that it was good! It's as if the remaining Disciples didn't even have faith in the capability of any heathen, or uncircumcised ones! And this here was the beginning of the glass ceiling that exists to this day!
And? To be honest? At that time? It probably was a good thing!
But, that?
Was 2,000 years ago people!
So, what has transpired in 2,000 er so years?
James, a SERVANT of God AND of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Looks like James must have had a little insight into the future from He who KNOWS the end from the beginning eh?
Especially considering the lost tribes of Israel!
And the migration initiated by One of God's Holy Servant's Jeremiah to the further reaches of present day Scotland, Ireland, and England and (eventually) these United States!
Now! All these years, mixing, marrying, warring, and being warred upon? Comes the edict from Constantine in the forcing the merger of those uncircumcised and not converted INTO those also uncircumcised yet converted into incorporating their heathenish ways, habits, traditions, and (sadly), celebrations! (and the beat down goes on...Oh? Sing it Sonny! :) ).
And this friends and neighbors?
Is where the term legalism stemmed from!
One would think? That after 2,000 er so years?
We can do better then that!
No?

No need to radicalize all that. Regarding the clean and unclean, that's about God's creation, so He ought to know what is clean and what is unclean for these flesh bodies, don't ya think? And per Ezekiel 44, His future Zadok priests are going to have the duty to teach... the people who err about the difference between the holy and profane, and the clean and unclean. That is what Apostle Paul was pointing to in Colossians 2:14-17, that those things are a 'shadow' of things to come, meaning we all will keep God's law in Christ's future Millennial reign.

But for this present world, the Promise by Faith on Jesus Christ gave believers Liberty from keeping the old laws that were written ordinances, which Jesus nailed to His cross. But that certainly did NOT mean God somehow changed His law, nor made unclean meats miraculously clean.

As for the old pagan feast days that crept in among God's people of the 12 scattered tribes, how do we know God didn't cause that for this present time, as a reminder to the ten tribes for having fallen into Baal worship of old? That is what the ten tribes were still doing when scattered to the new lands in the west. Each area in Asia Minor and Europe had different names for their Baal gods and worship. Then when The Gospel of Jesus Christ was preached to them, the majority of them began to put away their old Baal idols and pagan ways. That didn't mean God would stop allowing Satan's host to infiltrate and deceive though. Only through understanding given by God in study of His Word would the believer on Christ know these things.

 

[amigo de christo]

Why do some so called Christians reject Paul? I believe it boils down to his teachings on God's Grace. It runs counter to their works based religious beliefs. And instead of testing their doctrines against scripture, they test scripture against their doctrines.

And now for another question .
WHY would any christain reject paul , or peter , or james , or jude , or john , or any of JESUS teachings .
Cause not a word one contradicts the others .
WHY do some cliam paul and act as IF some how pauls gospel was different than was peters .
WHY do some claim this or that .
EVER LETTER written , from every word of JESUS recorded , IS FOR THE CHURCH and stil applies TODAY .
People pick and choose for one reason . And it aint GOOD EITHER . not at all is it good .
WE should have loved and embraced it all . this sheep does . and there is NO contradiction in it .
But as i o ften say
men gonna do as men gonna do and men gonna beleive as men gonna beleive .
But sheep gonna do as JESUS said to do and sheep gonna beleive TRUTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul wrote more Books in the Bible than anyone. Whoever rejects Paul rejects Jesus.

2 Peter 3:15-16
15 Consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation--as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

lets add to that list .
Your right about paul my friend .
But what i say to one i say to all
whoever rejects ANY of JESUS teachings and words in them four gospels
whoever rejects paul , peter , jude , john , james , hebrews and any TRUTH
THEY REJECT HE WHO INSPIRED such words . WHICH WOULD BE .......................GOD .
people pick and choose all the time .
Sheep simply CHOOSE TRUTH . EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

If someone has the Spirit they will do Good works, because they are lead by the Spirit.

And those following so called reform theology will claim is works based salvation and obedience to the Lord is trying to earn one's salvation

Can one who is lead by the Spirit sin? No, when anyone does sin they are not following the Spirit's lead. This means they need to repent, or in other words change their mind.

Changing one's mind (understanding) includes departing from sinful behavior.

But, those following so called reform theology have been taught that when God created them sin was put in to them and they will always be a sinner and it's not possible for them to ever cease from sin. They don't accept or understand the new birth.

This is why so many of these people identify with the old man and never put on the new man, never put on Christ.

Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14
put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created Him:

 

[Marvelloustime]

lets add to that list .
Your right about paul my friend .
But what i say to one i say to all
whoever rejects ANY of JESUS teachings and words in them four gospels
whoever rejects paul , peter , jude , john , james , hebrews and any TRUTH
THEY REJECT HE WHO INSPIRED such words . WHICH WOULD BE .......................GOD .
people pick and choose all the time .
Sheep simply CHOOSE TRUTH . EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

And now for another question .
WHY would any christain reject paul , or peter , or james , or jude , or john , or any of JESUS teachings .
Cause not a word one contradicts the others .
WHY do some cliam paul and act as IF some how pauls gospel was different than was peters .
WHY do some claim this or that .
EVER LETTER written , from every word of JESUS recorded , IS FOR THE CHURCH and stil applies TODAY .
People pick and choose for one reason . And it aint GOOD EITHER . not at all is it good .
WE should have loved and embraced it all . this sheep does . and there is NO contradiction in it .
But as i o ften say
men gonna do as men gonna do and men gonna beleive as men gonna beleive .
But sheep gonna do as JESUS said to do and sheep gonna beleive TRUTH .

@amigo de christo

 

[Davy]

And now for another question .
WHY would any christain reject paul , or peter , or james , or jude , or john , or any of JESUS teachings .
Cause not a word one contradicts the others .
WHY do some cliam paul and act as IF some how pauls gospel was different than was peters .
WHY do some claim this or that .
EVER LETTER written , from every word of JESUS recorded , IS FOR THE CHURCH and stil applies TODAY .
People pick and choose for one reason . And it aint GOOD EITHER . not at all is it good .
WE should have loved and embraced it all . this sheep does . and there is NO contradiction in it .
But as i o ften say
men gonna do as men gonna do and men gonna beleive as men gonna beleive .
But sheep gonna do as JESUS said to do and sheep gonna beleive TRUTH .

It is because Satan's host that creep in have deceived the charlatans that want their congregations to stay away from all the Bible Scripture that reveals the actual timing of prophetic events, the false pre-trib rapture theory being one of their biggest lies. What Jesus taught in His Olivet discourse shows His future return to gather His Church will be AFTER... the tribulation, not before it, so the charlatans claim Jesus was not speaking that for the Church, but for the Jews. There's an example of why they want their congregations to stay only with Paul's Epistles, even though they twist Paul's Epistles too, since Paul showed Jesus comes to gather His Church after the "man of sin" comes to deceive, just like what Lord Jesus taught.

 

[amigo de christo]

It is because Satan's host that creep in have deceived the charlatans that want their congregations to stay away from all the Bible Scripture that reveals the actual timing of prophetic events, the false pre-trib rapture theory being one of their biggest lies. What Jesus taught in His Olivet discourse shows His future return to gather His Church will be AFTER... the tribulation, not before it, so the charlatans claim Jesus was not speaking that for the Church, but for the Jews. There's an example of why they want their congregations to stay only with Paul's Epistles, even though they twist Paul's Epistles too, since Paul showed Jesus comes to gather His Church after the "man of sin" comes to deceive, just like what Lord Jesus taught.

They do this with many things my friend . Many things .
But the sheep dont heed them .

 

[amigo de christo]

It is because Satan's host that creep in have deceived the charlatans that want their congregations to stay away from all the Bible Scripture that reveals the actual timing of prophetic events, the false pre-trib rapture theory being one of their biggest lies. What Jesus taught in His Olivet discourse shows His future return to gather His Church will be AFTER... the tribulation, not before it, so the charlatans claim Jesus was not speaking that for the Church, but for the Jews. There's an example of why they want their congregations to stay only with Paul's Epistles, even though they twist Paul's Epistles too, since Paul showed Jesus comes to gather His Church after the "man of sin" comes to deceive, just like what Lord Jesus taught.

Verily verily i type unto thee
That is what they all have in common . ANYONE who holds ONLY to a certain apostel
HAS ALREADY EVEN TWISTED that apostels own words to fit a mans doctrine .
That is a fact . many who preach pualine have no idea that Paul would have booted that harlot pauline right outta the church .
The same goes for those who always try and attack pauls writings and etc
THEY twist even james or peter as well . MEN DID THIS and MEN DO THIS and sadly
it seems many love to have it so .
But what i say to one i say to all
Not a word one of CHRIST JESUS ever contradicted A word one OF GOD the FATHER .
Nor did james and paul contradict each other
And as you wrote earlier , THEY always try and say THIS is for the jew
or this was for that age . BUT TIS FOR THE CHURCH and its been the meat of the sheep
through all ages TILL JESUS COME amen . THE BIBLE is our meat and by the SPIRIT we do learn .
TRUTH is the meat of the sheep .
its easily seen , IF ONE would pick up the holy book and read it for themselves ,
THAT The t rue church and its apostels
ALL BELIEVED IN A ONE TIME SECOND COMING , A DAY
wherein those who rejected Christ and had persecuted the church would be mown down
as THE LORD COMES FOR HIS CHURCH .
WE ARE APPOINTED unto tribuilation of this world and its men and of the dragon and beast and FP .
ITS the wrath OF GOD we are not appointed unto
AND HIS WRATH COMETH AGAINST the FP , beast and her children . oh iTS a one time event all right .
And this world is being gathered through inclusive ecumeincal interfaith love
TO AS ONE MAN , ONE MIND and ONE HEART to utterly Come against the true sheep
in the greatest hour of tribulation the church has ever known .
BUT GOD and THE LAMB will DESTROY them on HIS DAY when H E coMETH for HIS CHURCH that was hated
by this world .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Verily verily i type unto thee
That is what they all have in common . ANYONE who holds ONLY to a certain apostel
HAS ALREADY EVEN TWISTED that apostels own words to fit a mans doctrine .
That is a fact . many who preach pualine have no idea that Paul would have booted that harlot pauline right outta the church .
The same goes for those who always try and attack pauls writings and etc
THEY twist even james or peter as well . MEN DID THIS and MEN DO THIS and sadly
it seems many love to have it so .
But what i say to one i say to all
Not a word one of CHRIST JESUS ever contradicted A word one OF GOD the FATHER .
Nor did james and paul contradict each other
And as you wrote earlier , THEY always try and say THIS is for the jew
or this was for that age . BUT TIS FOR THE CHURCH and its been the meat of the sheep
through all ages TILL JESUS COME amen . THE BIBLE is our meat and by the SPIRIT we do learn .
TRUTH is the meat of the sheep .
its easily seen , IF ONE would pick up the holy book and read it for themselves ,
THAT The t rue church and its apostels
ALL BELIEVED IN A ONE TIME SECOND COMING , A DAY
wherein those who rejected Christ and had persecuted the church would be mown down
as THE LORD COMES FOR HIS CHURCH .
WE ARE APPOINTED unto tribuilation of this world and its men and of the dragon and beast and FP .
ITS the wrath OF GOD we are not appointed unto
AND HIS WRATH COMETH AGAINST the FP , beast and her children . oh iTS a one time event all right .
And this world is being gathered through inclusive ecumeincal interfaith love
TO AS ONE MAN , ONE MIND and ONE HEART to utterly Come against the true sheep
in the greatest hour of tribulation the church has ever known .
BUT GOD and THE LAMB will DESTROY them on HIS DAY when H E coMETH for HIS CHURCH that was hated
by this world .

@amigo de christo