How many former Catholics are here?

[Brakelite]

Only a person with YOUR anti-Catholic views would make such a ridiculous, paranoid claim . . .

Or someone familiar with history.

Not only do I NOT believe in OSAS for Catholics – I told you in our last exchange that I don’t.
This is a classic example of how your SDA sect teaches you to LIE about the Catholic Church . . .

And again, you are twisting what I was actually saying. I know you are against OSAS for Christians, including Catholics. But you change your opinion when the discussion turns to the church in general. All of a sudden, your church is OSAS, while every other church is subject to heresy and falling away.

How does this “supersede” Scripture, when the Scriptures themselves tell us that the death and resurrection of Christ was the fulfillment of the Sabbath and all of the other shadows that point to Him (Col. 2:16-17).

And the NT informs us that the Ealy Church gathered oin Sundays (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:1-2) because it was on that day that the Lord was resurrected.

@Adventageous has given a sufficiently complete response to your theory. I will add nothing but a reiteration of my original statement. The Catholic tradition absolutely supercedes Scripture, specifically the 4th commandment of the decalogue. With no authority to do so. And we all know what Jesus said about traditions contradicting God's commandments.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

As a born again Christian, if I would do something wrong, the Holy Spirit in my heart convicts me of that. Since I love being in fellowship with the Lord, I would confess in my heart to the Lord.

Well, they don't know the Lord and they don't have the Holy Spirit so the catholics have to make stuff up to help them "think" they are on the right path.

 

[BreadOfLife]

@BreadOfLife Do you have any non-Catholic friends? If not, may I ask what part of the country you live in?

I was raised on the East Coast but reside in California. I do notice differences between Catholics on each coast.

I absolutely do. Man friends and half of my 12 siblings are Protestant.
I live on he West coast.

 

[Debp]

I absolutely do. Man friends and half of my 12 siblings are Protestant.
I live on he West coast.

Thanks for answering.

Are they born again Christians? And actually seeking to walk with the Lord in their daily lives? (Walking in the Spirit.) Or just church goers with no real spiritual life?

 

[Apples]

Well, they don't know the Lord and they don't have the Holy Spirit so the catholics have to make stuff up to help them "think" they are on the right path.

I do not believe that is an appropriate statement. If non-Catholics did not make things up they'd all be in agreement.

 

[Apples]

Thanks for answering.

Are they born again Christians? And actually seeking to walk with the Lord in their daily lives? (Walking in the Spirit.) Or just church goers with no real spiritual life?

I have known Christians who claimed they got saved and were born again. They claims that for a while. I have known Christians that murmured nonsense believing they were speaking tongues.

 

[Apples]

No, I was thinking of how Catholics pray the rosary and do penance after a priest tells them to do that. Also prayers to saints. Things like that.

As a born again Christian, if I would do something wrong, the Holy Spirit in my heart convicts me of that. Since I love being in fellowship with the Lord, I would confess in my heart to the Lord.

They do things differently, which means they are wrong, because obviously you are not.

How is one in fellowship with the Lord? Christians generally state they are in fellowship with other Christians, not with God. In every moment, God makes existence possible. Fellowship is a collection or collaboration.

 

[Apples]

Does the Holy Spirit convict you on theology? Or does the Holy Spirit only share something with you if it feels right?

 

[Debp]

They do things differently, which means they are wrong, because obviously you are not.

How is one in fellowship with the Lord? Christians generally state they are in fellowship with other Christians, not with God. In every moment, God makes existence possible. Fellowship is a collection or collaboration.

Do you pray the rosary? Do you listen to a priest telling you that you must do penance after you confess your sins to him?

Walking in the Spirit enables you to have fellowship with the Lord. Do you walk in the Spirit and know the resulting fellowship from the Spirit?

 

[Debp]

They do things differently, which means they are wrong, because obviously you are not.

I don't believe in doing unScriptural practices that the Catholic Church teaches. Do you?

14But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:14-17.

 

[Apples]

Do you pray the rosary? Do you listen to a priest telling you that you must do penance after you confess your sins to him?

You do realize Catholics believe sins are confessed in the presence of God and that the person can choose another penance, right? But, that is weird, and not what you do, so that is wrong.

Walking in the Spirit enables you to have fellowship with the Lord. Do you walk in the Spirit and know the resulting fellowship from the Spirit?

That is incoherent nonsense. I am certain I could call you on the phone and with 20 minutes you'd offer no explanation.Born again and being in fellowship with God and walking with the spirit are three things Pastor Paisley suit repeats at the service. If pressed you'd gawk and tell me if I were saved I'd understand. That's the problem with the incoherent belief system. I am sure your pastor learned everything from the Holy Spirit and did not need a an accredited theology/ministry degree.

Yet, you have no issue criticizing Christians because that is not how Pastor Paisley suit does it and they don't go around using terms that are undefinable.

 

[Apples]

I don't believe in doing unScriptural practices that the Catholic Church teaches. Do you?

This is more incoherent nonsense. Repeating things without really thinking it through.
People will throw around "scriptural" which is the lamest thing. If it is not in scripture.... is it in scripture... or it must be against scripture.

Does the bible give a layout of how Pastor Paisley should do the service? If I went to Pastor Paisley's service and record it, you would be able to point out how everything is based on scripture? You cannot be that dull.

When Pastor Paisley suit does it is not against the bible but when they do something you don't do it is unscriptural.

14But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:14-17.

I had no idea of those verses. You guys are great at making incoherent claims and then randomly and unrelatedly quoting from the bible.

Bible = good
What they do is not mention in the bible so = BAD, unscriptural
What we do is not unscriptural if not mentioned in the bible - it is just not mentioned in the bible.

 

[Debp]

You do realize Catholics believe sins are confessed in the presence of God and that the person can choose another penance, right? But, that is weird, and not what you do, so that is wrong.

That is incoherent nonsense. I am certain I could call you on the phone and with 20 minutes you'd offer no explanation.Born again and being in fellowship with God and walking with the spirit are three things Pastor Paisley suit repeats at the service. If pressed you'd gawk and tell me if I were saved I'd understand. That's the problem with the incoherent belief system. I am sure your pastor learned everything from the Holy Spirit and did not need a an accredited theology/ministry degree.

Yet, you have no issue criticizing Christians because that is not how Pastor Paisley suit does it and they don't go around using terms that are undefinable.

I'm sorry you don't understand what I'm meaning by walking in the Spirit and the sense of fellowship it gives to me.

Funny...you accuse me of criticizing, but you are criticizing me. I only posted this topic to help a new believer from Islam so he will not go from one dogma to another dogma.

Don't you believe he should get grounded by reading the Word of God?

14But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:14-17.

 

[Apples]

I'm sorry you don't understand what I'm meaning by walking in the Spirit and the sense of fellowship it gives to me.

And this is very typical. You have no idea how to explain it. In your head, you think if I were saved I would known One can speak of having a relationship God. Fellowship is something you have with your neighbors, not with that which makes you exist. God is not your BFF.

Funny...you accuse me of criticizing, but you are criticizing me. I only posted this topic to help a new believer from Islam so he will not go from one dogma to another dogma.

You can support one view without tearing down other views with the typical hypocrisy.
I do this and it is not in the bible
They do this and is not in the bible and that is UNSCRIPTURAL.

I pointed out that terms you used against other Christians would not be defined by you.

It is a sneak and intellectually dishonest way of saying it is against the bible when it reality the notion of whatever is not mentioned.

Don't you believe he should get grounded by reading the Word of God?

I didn't know going after other groups of Christians is the reading of scripture.
It is all bait and switch with people like you. Ohhh, I wasn't attacking the particulars of Christians....
Something, something, bait and switch. God ahead and end it with a bible verse because that is what they do in your group. You will always be right if you just quote scripture.

14But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:14-17.

 

[Apples]

Christianity has gotten so watered down in some circles. People use terms they cannot define. It had meaning in their tradition at one point. It is become lost as their Paisley suit pastors learning the bible from the Holy Spirit and did not need to go to school. Look at these frauds like Olsteen and Meyers.

 

[Debp]

Christianity has gotten so watered down in some circles. People use terms they cannot define. It had meaning in their tradition at one point. It is become lost as their Paisley suit pastors learning the bible from the Holy Spirit and did not need to go to school. Look at these frauds like Olsteen and Meyers.

I'm 75...have known Jesus since I was 22. Fellowship with the Lord is in my heart. I have peace.

 

[lforrest]

And this is very typical. You have no idea how to explain it. In your head, you think if I were saved I would known One can speak of having a relationship God. Fellowship is something you have with your neighbors, not with that which makes you exist. God is not your BFF.


You can support one view without tearing down other views with the typical hypocrisy.
I do this and it is not in the bible
They do this and is not in the bible and that is UNSCRIPTURAL.

I pointed out that terms you used against other Christians would not be defined by you.

It is a sneak and intellectually dishonest way of saying it is against the bible when it reality the notion of whatever is not mentioned.



I didn't know going after other groups of Christians is the reading of scripture.
It is all bait and switch with people like you. Ohhh, I wasn't attacking the particulars of Christians....
Something, something, bait and switch. God ahead and end it with a bible verse because that is what they do in your group. You will always be right if you just quote scripture.

If some belief or practice can not be found in scripture it is by definition unscriptural. But not all disagreements between denominations come down to something being unscriptural.

Most of the time people choose to believe some scriptures but will ignore others.

For example we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. But we are also commanded to correct, rebuke, and encourage. One might think that confronting sin would make these two verses contradict. That however is not the case.

If we look to other scriptures such as Proverbs 27:5-6 we can see there is no conflict. As a friend's rebuke is shown to be an act of love.

5"Better is open rebuke
than hidden love.

6 Wounds from a friend can be trusted,
but an enemy multiplies kisses."

 

[BreadOfLife]

This thread is not really for such discussions, and should be taken elsewhere. The main title of the thread is clearly given, "How many former Catholics are here?" It was not meant as a place for debate, but a place for those who have chosen to leave Romanism to share their personal experience, and give their reasons. However, to respond in brief (as many more such citations below, could be provided), I will leave the following, and not be responding further on this point here in this thread, but am willing to discuss in another, when you are inclinded to:

Ummm, I’m NOT the one who brought up this topic. It was your fellow SDA member, @Brakelite because it’s HIS favorite topic.
However, after having condemned this topic for this thread – you went off on your own diatribe. Frankly, I'm NOT interested in debating this again.

I’ve heard every legalistic SDA argument for the Sabbath which all require us to ignore Scripture and downplay the effect of Christ in the story of salvation. It also requires us to reject he God-given authority of the Church, beginning with the Apostles.

I, too could weave together a litany of quotes and Scripture verses and come to bizarre conclusions - like Jesus was just a figment of someone’s imagination – or that the Apostles were space aliens . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, I was thinking of how Catholics pray the rosary and do penance after a priest tells them to do that.

NOWHERE in Scripture is there a “Sinner’s Prayer”. Yet, I hear from Protestants that one needs to recite this to be saved.

As for confession and penance – Jesus gave His Apostles the power to forgive or retain sins in His name (John 20:21-23). Paul speaks of this “ministry of reconciliation”:

2 Cor. 5:18-20
“And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given US the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to US the message of reconciliation. So WE are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through US. We implore YOU on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”

In 2 Cor. 2:10, he states, “Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for you in the presence of Christ”

Jesus gave them the power to forgive sins in His name - in persona Cristi – in the person of Christ.

We read in the 1st century document, the Didache (Teachings of the Twelve Apostles) that confessing your sins to the Church was the norm:

“Confess your sins in Church, and do not go up to your prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life. . . , On the Lord's Day gather together, break bread, and give thanks, after confessing your transgressions so that your sacrifice may be pure” (Didache 4:14,14:1 [A.D.70]).

Also prayers to saints. Things like that.

It’s Biblical.

So, you’re against asking fellow member of the Bosy of Christ to pray for you? You never ask anyone for prayerful intercession? As the Body of Christ, we pray for each other (James 5:16, 1 John 5:16)
Paul asked for prayerful intercession MANY times (Rom 15:30-32, Eph 6:18-20, 2 Th 3:1-2, Phil 1:19).

Asking a saint in Heaven to pray for you is NO different that asking a saint on earth. We are ALL members of His Body.

As a born again Christian, if I would do something wrong, the Holy Spirit in my heart convicts me of that. Since I love being in fellowship with the Lord, I would confess in my heart to the Lord.

I do, too.
Then I confess my sins to the Church for absolution as Jesus intended (Matt. 16:19, 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).

 

[BreadOfLife]

And again, you are twisting what I was actually saying. I know you are against OSAS for Christians, including Catholics. But you change your opinion when the discussion turns to the church in general. All of a sudden, your church is OSAS, while every other church is subject to heresy and falling away.

WRONG.

I don’t “change” my position. I’m against OSAS for everybody because it is unbiblical - and was never taught for the first 1500 years of Christianity.

@Adventageous has given a sufficiently complete response to your theory. I will add nothing but a reiteration of my original statement. The Catholic tradition absolutely supercedes Scripture, specifically the 4th commandment of the decalogue. With no authority to do so. And we all know what Jesus said about traditions contradicting God's commandments.

His/her diatribe was the usual SDA twisting Scripture and hodge podge of out-of-context quotes.