But you won't even tell us who your God is! Don't you know? You surely don't mean God of the Bible Whom you forsook! Very similar to STV!
Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon
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Why are you so afraid of sharing God's expressed thoughts found in the bible? Are you not confident with quoting Him?
You left the Bible! Remember? You also admitted you're going to Hell FOREVER! No Christian would believe you!
You really need to stop listening to demons leading you to Hell.
There you go again. You're happy to quote me, or should I say, misquote me. But you're not willing to quote God's words directly given to you OR that found in the bible. Why is that? Are you ashamed of God and what He says?
That would be a LIE! But you said you're going to Hell so .....
Rev 20 ALL LIARS will have their part in the Lake of Fire!
But you already admitted that's your fate.
Your entire post about me was a LIE!
amigo de christo
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many desire to beleive things that are contrary my friend . Its why the bible has to be downplayed to some degree .
On that path many destroy themselves .
As i am sure you do agree . Many do not like things in the bible . They had r ather beleive a voice
that gives them what it is they truly desired . A fable .
All that do speak must be tested against the TRUTH in scripture . IF what one says contradicts the scriptures
WE wont be heeding such . Stay dug in the scripture , in prayers and test all who do speak .
The Spirit of Truth and I 'did into the scriptures' AND we explore what Jesus takes directly from Father and gives to us to know. It's fantastic. I don't discriminate between what God has spoken historically and what He personally speaks directly to me. God's words are the words of my Father to His children.
God spoke to O2q directly and told him to forsake the Bible. lol
1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
Behold
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Noone is going to define you as a bible believer.. @One 2 question
You'll keep proving it.
Whereas, The entire Bible is "God's word".
If you need a clue then read the words of Jesus, as Jesus is God and every time He opened His mouth, out came the word of God.
Here is something else for you to consider... yet never understand.... @One 2 question ..
Before Genesis was written down........ the "scriptures" talked to Abraham........so, we see that the bible explains that its very words are the words of God, long before they became a Hebrew "text".
amigo de christo
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So long as you understand that what GOD tells us today would not contradict what JESUS said long ago .
I already know GOD speaks to us .
But if i had a dime every time i heard one say GOD TOLD ME
contradicted what was written , Well lets just say that would be a lot of dimes gathered up .
My problem is not one that says God told me this
My problem is when their THIS contradicted what was written long ago in that b ible and what JESUS had said
and etc . That is what i mean when i say WHEN GOD speaks TODAY
and yes HE does through the church , IT WONT be contradicting HIS own words . IF IT DO , IT A LIE .
Council of Carthage in 397 AD. defined what belongs in the Bible called a I guess a cannon. Before then, various churches had rules for determining what is scripture. 1. Was it written by an Apostle. 2. Was a book commonly read as scripture in the churches.
"What is a biblical canon list," you ask? It is an ancient list of biblical books usually drafted by a church father or synod to specify those books churches recognized as authoritative for doctrine. For example, St. Gregory of Nazianzus drafted a canon list of books (381–90 AD) that promoted piety on the one hand and defended from heterodoxy on the other. At the end of his list, he made clear, at least in his mind, that this list was final and exclusive, "You have all. If there is any book outside of these, they are not among the genuine ones." Gregory was aware of "many, strange books" and "interpolated evils" that had come into being, and his list specified the genuine books so that the reader might also be able to recognize the spurious ones.
Sometimes in the context of a canon list, a father would also draft another list that included other books of a secondary status or position; that is, books not recognized as canonical but books to be read to new converts or useful and beneficial books (e.g. Wisdom of Solomon or the Shepherd of Hermas).
Why are these canon lists important? They provide the clearest, most specific information regarding the Bible's contents in antiquity and therefore will be of interest to anyone who has wondered how they got their Bible.
Until now, access to these ancient biblical canon lists was a challenge for the student and scholar alike. Ed Gallagher and John Meade wrote the The Biblical Canon Lists from Early Christianity: Texts and Analysis (Oxford University Press, 2017) to make these sources available in one volume. After a substantial opening chapter on the evidence and views of the early period, they provide a chapter on Jewish lists (Josephus; Babylonian Talmud); three chapters on Greek, Latin, and Syriac Christian lists respectively; a substantial chapter on the contents of early Christian manuscripts; and finally, an Appendix which treats the disputed and more common apocryphal books. The famous canon lists of Eusebius, Athanasius, Jerome, and Augustine along with many others are now included in one volume. The book presents each list in two columns, the first containing the list in its original language, while the second contains an English translation with commentary in footnotes.
About the Authorhttps://ps.edu/john-meade-biblical-canon-lists/
Sometimes in the context of a canon list, a father would also draft another list that included other books of a secondary status or position; that is, books not recognized as canonical but books to be read to new converts or useful and beneficial books (e.g. Wisdom of Solomon or the Shepherd of Hermas).
Why are these canon lists important? They provide the clearest, most specific information regarding the Bible's contents in antiquity and therefore will be of interest to anyone who has wondered how they got their Bible.
Until now, access to these ancient biblical canon lists was a challenge for the student and scholar alike. Ed Gallagher and John Meade wrote the The Biblical Canon Lists from Early Christianity: Texts and Analysis (Oxford University Press, 2017) to make these sources available in one volume. After a substantial opening chapter on the evidence and views of the early period, they provide a chapter on Jewish lists (Josephus; Babylonian Talmud); three chapters on Greek, Latin, and Syriac Christian lists respectively; a substantial chapter on the contents of early Christian manuscripts; and finally, an Appendix which treats the disputed and more common apocryphal books. The famous canon lists of Eusebius, Athanasius, Jerome, and Augustine along with many others are now included in one volume. The book presents each list in two columns, the first containing the list in its original language, while the second contains an English translation with commentary in footnotes.
About the Authorhttps://ps.edu/john-meade-biblical-canon-lists/
Was the Canon of Scripture Determined before the Church Councils That Decided It?
Does an ancient document called the Muratorian Fragment show that the canon of scripture was determined before the Catholic Church? No. Click here for more.
It appears like YOU are the one who has left the bible. You don't quote it.
Where as STV and I quote it regularly
Not all of it. Paul makes this clear when he states, 'I, not the Lord'.
A lot of what's in the bible are a collection of testimonies, personal and from a third party.
John said only a fraction of what Jesus did, including what He taught was written down.
You said, Jesus is God and every time He opened His mouth, out came the word of God.
And as Jesus is right there beside His Father and has access to Father's thoughts, He continues to open His mouth and out comes the word of God. New, fresh revelation of God straight from Christ's Spirit to our spirit. This is awesome. I love receiving God's words directly, no need for any translation or interpretation from the Middle man, no, just the pure words of God!
Does He talk to you the way you would talk to a friend? (happens to me)
So who told Moses the life story of Abram? And what about Noah and what of Adam? That could've been around 2500 years or 25 generations.
Was these stories simply according to oral storytelling. No chance of Chinese/Hebrew whispers. Actually the original human singular language was confused.
Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
So their natural ability to tell stories accurately after this was almost impossible. As not one person had all information and knowledge of history.
So how did Moses get to know what he did?
What percentage was preserved orally? What lesser was actually written down? What of this was actually preserved?
Someone dared to suggest that God Himself did some direct storytelling and informed Moses of what had previously gone down.
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Was the Canon of Scripture Determined before the Church Councils That Decided It?
Does an ancient document called the Muratorian Fragment show that the canon of scripture was determined before the Catholic Church? No. Click here for more.www.catholic.com
Who was responsible for the authorization of the book of Revelation as Scripture, part of the Canon ?
I think it was Athanasius, am I wrong?
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