How many former Catholics are here?

[Brakelite]

Ummm, I’m NOT the one who brought up this topic. It was your fellow SDA member, @Brakelite because it’s HIS favorite topic.
However, after having condemned this topic for this thread – you went off on your own diatribe. Frankly, I'm NOT interested in debating this again.

I’ve heard every legalistic SDA argument for the Sabbath which all require us to ignore Scripture and downplay the effect of Christ in the story of salvation. It also requires us to reject he God-given authority of the Church, beginning with the Apostles.

I, too could weave together a litany of quotes and Scripture verses and come to bizarre conclusions - like Jesus was just a figment of someone’s imagination – or that the Apostles were space aliens . . .

Actually, that's not true. You brought up the topic when you claimed...

there is not a SINGLE tradition OR Tradition that supersedes Scripture. Not ONE.

 

[Brakelite]

WRONG.

I don’t “change” my position. I’m against OSAS for everybody because it is unbiblical - and was never taught for the first 1500 years of Christianity.

His/her diatribe was the usual SDA twisting Scripture and hodge podge of out-of-context quotes.

How would you know they were out of context when you didn't look at any of them, let alone the context?

 

[Brakelite]

I don’t “change” my position. I’m against OSAS for everybody because it is unbiblical - and was never taught for the first 1500 years of Christianity.

You change your position like a fart in the wind. OSAS in the context of abiding faithfully in Christ is a sound concept, but it is conditional. Christ indeed promised that no-one could be taken out of His hand once they accepted Him. My beef with your position is that while you claim the above to be true for the Catholic Church, you believe it as being unconditional. You totally ignored it's history, it's apostasy, it's numerous historical aggregious crimes against humanity, and think like the Pharisees of Jesus's time on earth, that you are OSAS despite the sin and evil that has pervaded your institution since it's inception. You refuse to recognize that the bishops of Rome abandoned Christ's Lordship in favor of embracing civil power. Your forefathers, by placing their dependence on the kings and queens and princes of this world, choose to abandon their first love in favor of worldly authority and worldly gain. And you think that despite such apostasy you apply OSAS to yourself.

 

[Debp]

Keep reading and do what i do = PRAY before, during and after you read

The above shows a receptive heart. Although there have been those that tried to discredit the Bible and ended up believing in Jesus Christ instead.

 

[Wrangler]

I too was raised a catholic.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Correct . so long as what one does , does not CONTRADICT the scrips , THEN all is well .
But if and when it do , It must be co rrected an d repented of asap .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

The above shows a receptive heart. Although there have been those that tried to discredit the Bible and ended up believing in Jesus Christ instead.

These were more noble than those in thessalonica .
And they searched the scrips and therefore many of them Beleived .
Many try and discredit the bible and often even there are those within christendom
that do this . They make claims against those who stay in the scrips , as being bibolatry .
but the sheep do not heed them . In the scriptures we remain , having all hope In Christ Jesus .
The devil has always come against the Truth and will even use
words of GOD to try and implant a lie . The sheep follow Christ .
Many have been lulled away from the scriptures and have loved to have it so .
But upon quick examination of what they love and things they teach
one can see its not the TRUTH they do love but rather a lie and lies of men .
Study to shew thyself .....................
And also now a word from peter from long long ago .
Peter was stirring up the church by way of remembrance .
And even though he wrote and said
EVEN THOUGH you already KNOW
that he would not cease to continue to remind them of these things .
AND that even after his decease he would make a way for them all
to have these t hings in remembrance . THE Y DID . They gathered the letters of the churches
and etc .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I read the bible once.

Well that explains a lot

God's Word should be studied, not just read thru once like it was a dime story novel

I too was raised a catholic.

Well then, that explains the itchy trigger finger

 

[Apples]

God's Word should be studied, not just read thru once like it was a dime story novel

You think?

People play the fifty verses game.

 

[Debp]

You think?

People play the fifty verses game.

And you are playing the "people play the fifty verses" game. LOL

 

[Apples]

And you are playing the "people play the fifty verses" game. LOL

I have not quoted scripture.

 

[Debp]

I have not quoted scripture.

But you are still playing a game. LOL

 

[Apples]

But you are still playing a game. LOL

I am not playing their game. I am not playing any game.

I have not quoted scripture.

 

[Debp]

I am not playing their game. I am not playing any game.

I have not quoted scripture.

But you are playing a game. LOL

 

[Apples]

But you are playing a game. LOL

No.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

And you are playing the "people play the fifty verses" game. LOL

And you are playing the people play the fifty verses game while playing the fifty verses game. LOL

 

[BreadOfLife]

You change your position like a fart in the wind. OSAS in the context of abiding faithfully in Christ is a sound concept, but it is conditional. Christ indeed promised that no-one could be taken out of His hand once they accepted Him. My beef with your position is that while you claim the above to be true for the Catholic Church, you believe it as being unconditional. You totally ignored it's history, it's apostasy, it's numerous historical aggregious crimes against humanity, and think like the Pharisees of Jesus's time on earth, that you are OSAS despite the sin and evil that has pervaded your institution since it's inception. You refuse to recognize that the bishops of Rome abandoned Christ's Lordship in favor of embracing civil power. Your forefathers, by placing their dependence on the kings and queens and princes of this world, choose to abandon their first love in favor of worldly authority and worldly gain.

FIRST of all – Jesus did guarantee that nobody would be snatched out of His hand. Those who voluntarily leave Him aren’t being “plucked out.”

The crowd that walked away and returned to their former way of life in John 6:66 wee such people.

Secondly, Christ’s Church didn’t become apostate and do egregious things. Individuals within the Church did those things. Do you understand that “apostasy” is the repudiation of the truth” ?

To become an apostate Church means that you had to be the genuine Church to begin with – THEN became apostate. Jesus guaranteed that His Church would NOT become apostate (Matt. 16:18) because HE I the Head of the Body, which is the Church (Col. 1:18). Hye identifies His very SELF with the Church.

Men within the Church became evil and corrupt – NOT the Church. Otherwise, Jesus Himself is corrupt. They are part of the “tares” that grow among the wheat – and they eventually get weeded-out.

And you think that despite such apostasy you apply OSAS to yourself.

ONE more time:
I don’t believe in OSAS for ANYBODY.

A Catholic has NO more guarantee that anyone else if he falls from grace. Everyone you accuse me of applying it to myself or other Catholics, you are spewing falsehoods.

I have vehemently disagreed with you ii the past – but now, you’re just a liar . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Actually, that's not true. You brought up the topic when you claimed...

And then, YOU brought up the Sabbath – NOT me . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

How would you know they were out of context when you didn't look at any of them, let alone the context?

I sure did. All it did was dredge up the nonsensical arguments YOU’VE made over the years.
Or have you forgotten that YOU and I have had this same debate for several years now?

 

[Apples]

You can tell them because the bible says "You will know them by their fruits," - Matthew 7.

If anyone disagrees, read your scripture- "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first to the Jew, and also to the Greek" -Romans

For “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks" Psalm 137:9

I know I am right because “Are you still maintaining your integrity? Curse God and die!” - Job 2:9

THAT IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LIKE. PLEASE STOP.